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Trump Exposes Evangelical Hypocrisy

MaggieD said:
I don't think he's greedy. I think he uses money to keep score. As to Evangelical hypocrisy, I'll let God figure that out. You? Notsomuch. Judge him. Judge them. What religion is that?
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Trump got you all to eat a **** sandwich. That is the best part of this election. No one will ever take the evangelicals serious again.
 
MaggieD said:
You don't think he hoards his $2 million?? Drives a 1989 piece of **** car because he wants to die was his $2 million and take it with him? He's 88 years old, by the way. Windows don't roll down. Air broken. If that's not the definition of greed? I don't know what is.
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I call it frugal. The reason he has $2 million is because he doesn't spend it. But that doesn't mean it is greed. What if his will gives all that money to a charity?


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ksu_aviator said:
As for abortion, it is a yuge issue.
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Can't be that big of an issue if when a tomahawk missile blows up a pregnant woman evangelicals just shrug it off as collateral damage.
 
Geoist said:
Can't be that big of an issue if when a tomahawk missile blows up a pregnant woman evangelicals just shrug it off as collateral damage.
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That is an unfair mischaracterization. In war, collateral damage is inevitable. It is not taken lightly and our military does everything possible to prevent it. When it does happen, it is not celebrated, but we can't vilify people doing the best they can with the information they have. I trust our military to do their best because I know so many that served.


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Geoist said:
Who said you have to vote?
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It is a civic duty. Are you saying that people shouldn't vote if they can't find the perfect candidate? Because, if that was the case, there wouldn't have been a vote cast in the last 250 years. This year, that is especially true. We have a political hack and crook, a bombastic, morally questionable businessman, and a delusional stoner.


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ksu_aviator said:
That is an unfair mischaracterization. In war, collateral damage is inevitable. It is not taken lightly and our military does everything possible to prevent it. When it does happen, it is not celebrated, but we can't vilify people doing the best they can with the information they have. I trust our military to do their best because I know so many that served.


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Most wars can be avoided, especially if our conservative leaders lived through Christ instead of talking a big game. Instead, conservative voters and leaders have jumped on to supporting every war they possibly could in the last several decades. That makes them just as culpable of "murder" as any abortion doctor.
 
ksu_aviator said:
It is a civic duty.
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A civic duty is an action that is required by law, like jury duty. Voting is not required by law.



Are you saying that people shouldn't vote if they can't find the perfect candidate?
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I think there is a wide gap between voting for an imperfect candidate and voting for the dumpster fires that are Clinton and Trump.

Because, if that was the case, there wouldn't have been a vote cast in the last 250 years. This year, that is especially true. We have a political hack and crook, a bombastic, morally questionable businessman, and a delusional stoner.
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I'll take that stoner any day. He is less likely to want war. The delusional part is a wash.
 
MaggieD said:
I don't think he's greedy. I think he uses money to keep score. As to Evangelical hypocrisy, I'll let God figure that out. You? Notsomuch. Judge him. Judge them. What religion is that?
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Power.

He's a greed head because he lives for power and control over others; he is a deeply insecure man who things money and power make him "great". I agree he is the complete opposite of a Jewish Carpenter's teachings from 2,000 years ago.

You cannot claim to walk with Christ and go around BOASTING about grabbing women's ******s.

It's not Evangelicals who have a problem, it's everyone lined up behind him. I missed the part where sexual assault is part of the American culture, and all Americans should be embarrassed by this degenerate's actions and words
 
Geoist said:
A civic duty is an action that is required by law, like jury duty. Voting is not required by law.
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If you cherry pick the part of the definition you prefer, I guess you would be right.

https://www.reference.com/government-politics/five-civic-duties-71dc9f12d837d919

Geoist said:
I think there is a wide gap between voting for an imperfect candidate and voting for the dumpster fires that are Clinton and Trump.
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That is your opinion. But that doesn't give you the authority to determine who others vote for. I dispose HRC, but I would never direct others to not vote. They have a civic duty to vote. I would hope they'd make an informed decision similar to mine, but if they don't I'm not going to tell them to not vote.



Geoist said:
I'll take that stoner any day. He is less likely to want war. The delusional part is a wash.
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And there it is. You've chosen someone that is only desirable to less than 8% of the country. That is your choice.


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Geoist said:
Most wars can be avoided, especially if our conservative leaders lived through Christ instead of talking a big game. Instead, conservative voters and leaders have jumped on to supporting every war they possibly could in the last several decades. That makes them just as culpable of "murder" as any abortion doctor.
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That has nothing to do with Trump and evangelicals. You are just rolling out every problem you've had with the right to justify an unjustifiable position.


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ksu_aviator said:
That is your opinion. But that doesn't give you the authority to determine who others vote for. I dispose HRC, but I would never direct others to not vote. They have a civic duty to vote. I would hope they'd make an informed decision similar to mine, but if they don't I'm not going to tell them to not vote.
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Exactly how am I "determining" how others vote. :confused:





And there it is. You've chosen someone that is only desirable to less than 8% of the country. That is your choice.
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So you are saying we should only vote whoever is popular?

How dare you determine how I vote! :lol:
 
ksu_aviator said:
That has nothing to do with Trump and evangelicals.
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Does Trump support murdering the families of terrorists? Check.

Do most evangelicals support Trump? Check.

Do most evangelicals support more war? Check.

Does supporting more war lead to the deaths of innocents, born and unborn? Check.



You are just rolling out every problem you've had with the right to justify an unjustifiable position.
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And what is this "unjustifiable" position? This should be good...
 
Geoist said:
Exactly how am I "determining" how others vote. :confused:
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You are demeaning people for voting contrary to how you perceive their values.


So you are saying we should only vote whoever is popular?

How dare you determine how I vote! :lol:
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I said no such thing. But who you are voting for informs me regarding your politics. Oddly enough, you seem awfully authoritarian for a libertarian. Ok...it isn't odd...most libertarians are very authoritarian in their debate tactics.



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calamity said:
This is indeed the truth. The Evangelicals and all the other so-called Christians who are voting for this creep have kicked their faith to the curb in order to win in November. Plain and simple.
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You did not here, the goal is to win so Trump the Chump can nominate a conservative SC justice, they have sold there soul, if they ever one.
 
Geoist said:
Does Trump support murdering the families of terrorists? Check.
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Oh, let's be intellectually honest. He was stating that wives that support terrorists are enemy combatants as well.

Do most evangelicals support Trump? Check.
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No. Support is a fickle thing. We don't know why they are voting for Trump. Voting for someone is not supporting them. Sometimes people vote against a politician or party. That is likely the most often listed reason to vote "for" Trump. They are voting against HRC.

Do most evangelicals support more war? Check.
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And? Do you know how many wars are fought in the Bible? Wars directed to be fought by God.

Does supporting more war lead to the deaths of innocents, born and unborn? Check.
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You are right. We never should have fought a single war. Let Hitler take over Europe. Let there be communism in Korea and Vietnam. Do you think God would look kindly on a man or group of men that could defend the innocent and didn't?

Have we always chosen our wars perfectly? That is debatable. But evangelical support always centers on helping the innocent.


And what is this "unjustifiable" position? This should be good...
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Demeaning people for their vote.


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yankintx said:
You did not here, the goal is to win so Trump the Chump can nominate a conservative SC justice, they have sold there soul, if they ever one.
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IMO, what this election proved is that Evangelicals are just another RW political faction, but one who hides behind god, not godly people who also happen to act politically.
 
calamity said:
IMO, what this election proved is that Evangelicals are just another RW political faction, but one who hides behind god, not godly people who also happen to act politically.
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I figured the Evangelicals were hypocrites, the man has been married 3 times. And has an affinity for groping the ladies uninvited, yet they still endorse the perv. At least most Mormons stand by there principles, and have disowned Chester the Molester.
 
ksu_aviator said:
You are demeaning people for voting contrary to how you perceive their values.
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"Demean" does not mean "determine."



But who you are voting for informs me regarding your politics.
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I do not believe I said I will vote for Johnson, only that I would prefer him over the other two. I will probably write in a name.

Oddly enough, you seem awfully authoritarian for a libertarian. Ok...it isn't odd...most libertarians are very authoritarian in their debate tactics.
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Whatever you say. :lol:
 
ksu_aviator said:
Oh, let's be intellectually honest. He was stating that wives that support terrorists are enemy combatants as well.
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No, he said we have to go after their families. If he meant wives he would've said wives.


No. Support is a fickle thing. We don't know why they are voting for Trump. Voting for someone is not supporting them. Sometimes people vote against a politician or party. That is likely the most often listed reason to vote "for" Trump. They are voting against HRC.
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Some are voting against Clinton, but many have been very enthusiastic about Trump. Falwell Jr. and many other religious leaders jumped on the Trump train before he was nominated.

And? Do you know how many wars are fought in the Bible? Wars directed to be fought by God.
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War is the result of sin in the world. And it always leads to more sin.

James 4:1-2 tells us where war comes from:

What causes fights and quarrels among you? Don’t they come from your desires that battle within you? 2 You desire but do not have, so you kill. You covet but you cannot get what you want, so you quarrel and fight. You do not have because you do not ask God.

Two...Whoops I mean SECOND ;) Corinthians 10:3-5 states how Christians should not wage wars:

For though we live in the world, we do not wage war as the world does. The weapons we fight with are not the weapons of the world. On the contrary, they have divine power to demolish strongholds. We demolish arguments and every pretension that sets itself up against the knowledge of God, and we take captive every thought to make it obedient to Christ.

You are right. We never should have fought a single war. Let Hitler take over Europe.
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Hitler happened because countries like France were vengeful. Sin begets sin. If they took a more Christian perspective history would have been very different. But WWII is one of the few cases where we had no choice but to enter.

Let there be communism in Korea and Vietnam.
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It is a shame you do not believe in the sovereignty of nations/people.

Do you think God would look kindly on a man or group of men that could defend the innocent and didn't?
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Dropping napalm on villages is not defense of the innocent.


Demeaning people for their vote.
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And you have stated that my supposed vote really says a lot about me. Talk about crow calling the raven black. :roll:
 
SenorXm/Sirius said:
Many right here this site pointed out the Evangelical Hypocrisy of them supporting Trump months ago.

The man brags about his wealth, greed and life style almost daily. I'm not Biblical Scholar, so someone needs to point out to me where any of Jesus's teachings would be OK with someone like Donny trump.

Add in that Trump said he never once asked for God's forgiveness because he doesn't need to?!? Well obvious there's has to be another reason(I think we know what t is) on why Evangelicals are backing Trump.

And we haven't even got to his owning of casinos and strip clubs. lol
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Within the community, the side arguing for Trump basically boils down to 1) protect political influence by maintaining a seat at the table (this is idolatry, imo) and 2) judges (this is a vain hope, but at least it’s rational).
 
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