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GOP Dreams of a White Ethno-State

TurtleDude said:
LOL-you were saying the only reason why you were voting for the lying bitch over the BHD was on gay rights and abortion. Now you seem to have become a full fledged Hillary fluffer with this sort of silliness. Lots of rich white establishment types are supporting the LB because they figure she will keep the status quo.
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I'm mostly voting against the Deplorables now. Pretty much a sure thing that I found my true enemies.

I guess I found my reason to tool up. Viva le 2nd Amendment.
 
Ikari said:
He may be an anomaly, but he is also a pile of ****.

It is true that he isn't quite of the Party Line cloth. Hillary is far more the standard, status quo, Corporate Republocrat than Trump. But Trump is still an absolute travesty and embarrassment of a candidate and on the Republocrat ticket. Despite the fact that the Republocrats have put up the worst candidates in, likely, the history of the Republic; we're still voting for them.

The GOP may not like Trump, but they certainly like that we'll still vote for him because that means they can put up whomever they want, and we'll vote for them. That's how the Republocrats secure their power.
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Well, I appreciate you feel strongly about how you see things.

I'm just not of the same mind in terms of Trump. I think the GOP elites are horrified by Trump. Not because of what you perceive him to be, but what his selection means about their hold on the party.

Trump is an unknown. Much of what people think of him has been invented. Of course, some of it has not. He is the ultimate non-status quo candidate. That appears to be what voters are looking for regardless of what the GOP wanted. In the end, a brokered convention with a different candidate selected would have meant the destruction of the GOP. The need to maintain control of Congress kept them off that road.
 
AlbqOwl said:
Then why isn't one of those other 16 candidates now the nominee?
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I didn't say any one of them got more. I said more people voted for one of them than voted for Trump.

Trump received more votes in the primaries than any Republican has ever received. You can try to minimalize that or sneer at that all you want, but it is a pure fact.
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It's also a fact that he received considerably more votes against him than any Republican has ever received, and substantially more votes against than for.
 
ocean515 said:
Well, I appreciate you feel strongly about how you see things.

I'm just not of the same mind in terms of Trump. I think the GOP elites are horrified by Trump. Not because of what you perceive him to be, but what his selection means about their hold on the party.

Trump is an unknown. Much of what people think of him has been invented. Of course, some of it has not. He is the ultimate non-status quo candidate. That appears to be what voters are looking for regardless of what the GOP wanted. In the end, a brokered convention with a different candidate selected would have meant the destruction of the GOP. The need to maintain control of Congress kept them off that road.
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I don't think they are horrified, because I'm pretty sure the higher ups are confident he won't win. Party Power certainly doesn't want people who cannot be controlled in power, it's one reason they torpedoed the crap out of Ron Paul. I think the GOP will be concerned about its primaries and may try to exercise some greater control over them to prevent a Trump from getting through in the future, but the most "horrified" they are at Trump comes, IMO, from the fact that the man is absolutely embarrassing and has the GOP brand attached to him. Not because they think he'll win and then they're stuck trying to control him.
 
Ikari said:
It may be close with the popular vote because the Republocrats split the popular vote 50/50 ± noise, pretty much each election. It ain't going to be close in the EC.
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You may be right but we'll see.
 
Harshaw said:
I didn't say any one of them got more. I said more people voted for one of them than voted for Trump.



It's also a fact that he received considerably more votes against him than any Republican has ever received, and substantially more votes against than for.
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He was running against 16 other people, the largest field in 100 years, all of whom got some votes--some of them a lot of votes. Some of them were very strong, attractive candidates. He is the last one standing. Whatever you think of Donald Trump, you can't take that away from him.
 
AlbqOwl said:
He was running against 16 other people, the largest field in 100 years, all of whom got some votes--some of them a lot of votes. Some of them were very strong, attractive candidates. He is the last one standing. Whatever you think of Donald Trump, you can't take that away from him.
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Doesn't matter. It's not "the people" who selected him. It was a minority of participants in the Republican primary season.
 
Harshaw said:
Doesn't matter. It's not "the people" who selected him. It was a minority of participants in the Republican primary season.
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Well apparently it does matter because he is on the ballot that will decide the Presidency come Tuesday.
 
Ikari said:
I don't think they are horrified, because I'm pretty sure the higher ups are confident he won't win. Party Power certainly doesn't want people who cannot be controlled in power, it's one reason they torpedoed the crap out of Ron Paul. I think the GOP will be concerned about its primaries and may try to exercise some greater control over them to prevent a Trump from getting through in the future, but the most "horrified" they are at Trump comes, IMO, from the fact that the man is absolutely embarrassing and has the GOP brand attached to him. Not because they think he'll win and then they're stuck trying to control him.
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Perhaps. Personally, I think the GOP brand, as it's elites morphed it, is in trouble. I would suggest they tread carefully, lest the members at large feel it necessary to clean house.
 
ocean515 said:
Perhaps. Personally, I think the GOP brand, as it's elites morphed it, is in trouble. I would suggest they tread carefully, lest the members at large feel it necessary to clean house.
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Maybe. I do think that the brand has changed tremendously so, on both sides of the isle. However, I don't know about the cleaning house part because to clean house, you need to stop supporting a particular side to force them to change. If you keep voting for them, they don't change. And what this election shows is that no matter what, we will vote for them.
 
Ikari said:
Maybe. I do think that the brand has changed tremendously so, on both sides of the isle. However, I don't know about the cleaning house part because to clean house, you need to stop supporting a particular side to force them to change. If you keep voting for them, they don't change. And what this election shows is that no matter what, we will vote for them.
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Well, "the side" is made up of candidates. The side can be impacted by which candidates get the votes. The GOP is just a title, it's who the people pick to operate under it that counts.

Don't know if the stranglehold can be broken, but it's hard to ignore what has occurred this election cycle - at least for President.
 
calamity said:
Trump is not the disease, he is only the symptom.


My Journey to the Center of the Alt-Right - The Huffington Post
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Lol Lets see... the first white power group mentioned is the Traditionalist Workers Party.... lets review....


"1.4 CRACK DOWN ON USURY

Usury, permitting predatory lenders to financially exploit and effectively enslave working families, is immoral and exacerbates income inequality. Future lending to individuals is to be tightly regulated, with capped interest rates and strict limits on fees and penalties for late payment. Bankruptcy is to be permitted for student loan debt, and bankruptcy laws are to be revised to help working families escape the debt trap. The “payday loan” shops, the usurious credit cards, and the sub-prime mortgage industry are to be opposed."

Sounds like Bernie sanders to me.......


2.6 HOMESTEAD AND MORTGAGE ASSISTANCE

Families thrive best when they’re stable and settled, and one way to encourage marriage and traditional families is to provide mortgage assistance and expand the homestead exemption in a manner which directly incentivizes getting married, purchasing a nice home, having children, and remaining both married and in that same home.

Some are understandably skeptical about the affordability of our proposals. We believe that if one does the math on how expensive failed families are and how much those expenses end up costing us all in the long run, one is forced to agree that we must radically increase our investment in strong working families…even if it means deep cuts must be made elsewhere in the budget.

Sounds like hillary..,..


3.6 ENVIRONMENTAL POLICY

The Traditionalist Worker Party stands for environmental conservation. We stand for sensible environmental regulations which balance the need for job growth with our stewardship obligation to future generations to preserve the natural beauty and thriving habitats of this abundant and precious inheritance of ours. We believe that one of the best ways to ensure that nature is preserved is to ensure that the citizenry have access to well-maintained parks and forests.


Sounds like hillary and bernie




So other than the obvious white power aspect of this, they are pretty much economically socialist.... which last I checked was left wing.... Not to say they are left wing, but "alt-right" which is being used so smear all of the right with this stupid ****, but these guys have as much left wing **** in thier platform as they do rigth....


Couldn't read the rest as it was obviously just another hillary campaign smear job.....
 
ReverendHellh0und said:
Lol Lets see... the first white power group mentioned is the Traditionalist Workers Party.... lets review....


"1.4 CRACK DOWN ON USURY

Usury, permitting predatory lenders to financially exploit and effectively enslave working families, is immoral and exacerbates income inequality. Future lending to individuals is to be tightly regulated, with capped interest rates and strict limits on fees and penalties for late payment. Bankruptcy is to be permitted for student loan debt, and bankruptcy laws are to be revised to help working families escape the debt trap. The “payday loan” shops, the usurious credit cards, and the sub-prime mortgage industry are to be opposed."

Sounds like Bernie sanders to me.......


2.6 HOMESTEAD AND MORTGAGE ASSISTANCE

Families thrive best when they’re stable and settled, and one way to encourage marriage and traditional families is to provide mortgage assistance and expand the homestead exemption in a manner which directly incentivizes getting married, purchasing a nice home, having children, and remaining both married and in that same home.

Some are understandably skeptical about the affordability of our proposals. We believe that if one does the math on how expensive failed families are and how much those expenses end up costing us all in the long run, one is forced to agree that we must radically increase our investment in strong working families…even if it means deep cuts must be made elsewhere in the budget.

Sounds like hillary..,..


3.6 ENVIRONMENTAL POLICY

The Traditionalist Worker Party stands for environmental conservation. We stand for sensible environmental regulations which balance the need for job growth with our stewardship obligation to future generations to preserve the natural beauty and thriving habitats of this abundant and precious inheritance of ours. We believe that one of the best ways to ensure that nature is preserved is to ensure that the citizenry have access to well-maintained parks and forests.


Sounds like hillary and bernie




So other than the obvious white power aspect of this, they are pretty much economically socialist.... which last I checked was left wing.... Not to say they are left wing, but "alt-right" which is being used so smear all of the right with this stupid ****, but these guys have as much left wing **** in thier platform as they do rigth....


Couldn't read the rest as it was obviously just another hillary campaign smear job.....
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That's why they are the alt-right. They are Nationalist Socialists (NAZI) who vote GOP. What's that tell ya?
 
calamity said:
That's why they are the alt-right. They are Nationalist Socialists (NAZI) who vote GOP. What's that tell ya?
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So they aren't republicans or are they republicans? I'm confused by your stance here. if they have left wing positions could they also be democrats?
 
ocean515 said:
Well, I appreciate you feel strongly about how you see things.

I'm just not of the same mind in terms of Trump. I think the GOP elites are horrified by Trump. Not because of what you perceive him to be, but what his selection means about their hold on the party.

Trump is an unknown. Much of what people think of him has been invented. Of course, some of it has not. He is the ultimate non-status quo candidate. That appears to be what voters are looking for regardless of what the GOP wanted. In the end, a brokered convention with a different candidate selected would have meant the destruction of the GOP. The need to maintain control of Congress kept them off that road.
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Greetings, ocean515. :2wave:

Well said, ocean, and very true! :thumbs: I think we are going to see how many times the status quo can be attacked before it falls apart, and it's just beginning, IMO! The people who are expected to pay all the bills in this country have made their disgust and anger known, so I believe it's inevitable that we will see badly needed change occur. If the elite don't agree, too bad, because too many lies have been told, so it's going to be up to them to correct their way of doing things. Time will tell....
 
Ikari said:
Maybe. I do think that the brand has changed tremendously so, on both sides of the isle. However, I don't know about the cleaning house part because to clean house, you need to stop supporting a particular side to force them to change. If you keep voting for them, they don't change. And what this election shows is that no matter what, we will vote for them.
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who else could we vote for? as they already said, Donald Trump is not part of the establishment, but the establishment can almost limit access TO their candidates only, because the only way you can get difference is to have a really wealthy guy, Like Trump, run for office. Trump is an anomaly. this may be the only time for a long time that we get a chance to really put an outsider in office.

how are we to change their stranglehold if we don't vote for the outsider candidate when we have the chance to?

Trump may be a POS personally, but you can't throw a stick without hitting one in DC. and he also may.. just might.. possibly be able to shake things up for the better and get them the idea that we are POed at their BS.
 
Ikari said:
Gary Johnson.
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right , well start the grass roots movement that's going to convince about... oh say , another 500 million people to vote for him...ooops wait, not going to happen this time.

I can vote for the libertarian candidate next time, or the next time if it finally gets started and they actually have a chance. Trump could win NOW.
 
Hypothetical said:
right , well start the grass roots movement that's going to convince about... oh say , another 500 million people to vote for him...ooops wait, not going to happen this time.

I can vote for the libertarian candidate next time, or the next time if it finally gets started and they actually have a chance. Trump could win NOW.
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You can vote for Trump this time, you're still getting Hillary as President.

So long as you keep putting off supporting someone other than the Republocrats, all you're going to get is the Republocrat status quo.
 
Ikari said:
You can vote for Trump this time, you're still getting Hillary as President.

So long as you keep putting off supporting someone other than the Republocrats, all you're going to get is the Republocrat status quo.
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if we get Hillary, then we get Hillary but at least I voted for the viable change candidate... as stated before, Trump isn't an establishment candidate, he's a groundswell candidate from people who are sick of Politics as usual.

and sure, you can still hold on to the hope that people are just magically going to start voting 3rd party at some point in the future. If I were you and that bothered by it, I'd be organizing door knocking events in every state, to tell people about the libertarians and why its important, put out ads 365 days a year. you all need to be worse than the Jehovah's witnesses about knocking on doors to get the message out if you want 3rd party to have a real chance. seeing that, people like me just might get involved.


back to the topic at hand... it seems like there are way too many leftists who have this same incoherent , babbling view of the GOP as being mainly a racist, white supremacist bastion. well lets be frank... if they EVER Came out of their heroic fantasy of "them versus the racists" and really took a good look, they would see that both sides have their share of ignorance and racism, and neither is in control of their particular side.

disagreeing over illegal immigration policy does not make one racist.
 
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Hypothetical said:
if we get Hillary, then we get Hillary but at least I voted for the viable change candidate... as stated before, Trump isn't an establishment candidate, he's a groundswell candidate from people who are sick of Politics as usual.
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Trump is an embarrassment, even worse than Hillary. It doesn't matter which one wins (though it will be Hillary), America will lose. So yes, revel in the fact that you're helping to ratchet us down even further, but in the end the only thing you're going to end up with is the Republocrat status quo, which is why you're getting Hillary.

I may be on the losing side, but I'm not on the wrong side.
 
Ikari said:
Trump is an embarrassment, even worse than Hillary. It doesn't matter which one wins (though it will be Hillary), America will lose. So yes, revel in the fact that you're helping to ratchet us down even further, but in the end the only thing you're going to end up with is the Republocrat status quo, which is why you're getting Hillary.

I may be on the losing side, but I'm not on the wrong side.
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well the main part there is that we will have to agree to disagree on who is a worse choice, I suppose. the reasons have all been stated, so no need to go back over all of that. I do have to say that I hope 3rd party politics do become viable at some point, but I'm afraid we aren't there yet. things are going to have to get much worse first, or we are going to have to shake up the establishment in some other way.
 
calamity said:
That's why they are the alt-right. They are Nationalist Socialists (NAZI) who vote GOP. What's that tell ya?
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As modern American conservatism is defined, it is an oxymoron to put 'rightwing' and 'socialist' on the same side. Modern American conservatism is not socialist in any form. All that you can say of the alt-right is that they are not right at all but are actually left. As the Nazis would be using modern American conservative definitions.
 
calamity said:
I'm mostly voting against the Deplorables now. Pretty much a sure thing that I found my true enemies.

I guess I found my reason to tool up. Viva le 2nd Amendment.
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what exactly is a deplorable and why are you voting against "them"

Why not just come out and say you're a Hillary fan boy?
 
calamity said:
I hope she sends racist scum to Gitmo.
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What is your reaction to this anti white demonstration at Berkley?

Berkeley protesters demand 'spaces of color,' harass white students trying to pass | Fox News
 
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