The biggest political calapse in history.

RetiredUSN said:

KKK
White Supremacy
Violence
Ugly attitudes towards others

Any more accusations? Don't short yourself, and just let it all out. I am surrounded by Trump supporters every day and have yet to hear any of this drivel.

I'll run this by all my Filipino and Black friends later on today at the golf course. They are all dyed in the wool Trumpateers. I'm sure they will get a little giggle out of it.

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Trump just denounced KKK support, and here is this guy lying about Trump's KKK support. The Left can't even keep up.

Gary Johnson is about to win this sh*t, b1tches!

This election season has damaged both major political brands, and a few others as well, but for different reasons.

The Democrats have been uncovered as the corrupt, colluding, cheating organization they really are.

The Republicans have a conflict between their political elite 'leadership' and the majority of their base, this is also what the Democrat party is (or soon will be) suffering from as well, once they've digested the proof of their corruption, colluding, and cheating.

The mainstream media has been uncovered to be totally biased for liberalism / progressivism and biased against conservatism more so than anyone has ever suspected, so much so to the point where it directly affects the stories covered and how they are covered (nothing new to those who have been paying any attention at all), becoming little more than a propaganda organ for causes that align with their bias.

jbander said:

It couldn't happen to a better, more deserving group then what the conservative party has turned into. It's been ugly for years but they have gone to the outer edge of ugliness, to a point that anyone who has a conscience and can think is leaving this sinking ship. The polls and forecasts that I have seen makes for a complete massacre in the presidential race, with all scenarios looked into, Trump has a 4% chance of winning in one and less then 1 1/2% chance in the other. The senate will be a little harder they have a 30% chance, again looking at all scenarios, to end up still being held by This ugly group of Americans. For decades they have groomed their voters to hate and blame our countries trouble on everything from the poor to Muslims, gays,unions, government, Mexicans, immigrants, Taxes, regulations, Teachers, blacks, women and government workers. They instilled this hatred and all of a sudden are amazed that a hate candidate that they can't control takes over their party. Hard to believe isn't it? There is no group more deserving then the party that at one time was called the Republican party.

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Trump up by 7 in North Carolina.

WRAL poll: Trump charges ahead in NC :: WRAL.com

The events of last Friday changed everything. Hard to believe, I know, but Trump is actually going to win this thing... or more accurately, Hillary is actually going to LOSE this thing.

Threads like this make me laugh. Invariably, they are started by people that have a "Very ________" describing their lean. Congress has an 11% approval rating overall. 11%. We have reached 20 trillion in debt. Trumps yang is a lying corrupt piece of **** that even those in her own party cant stomach and it took corruption and collusion by the DNC to **** over the other rat candidates to put her there in the first place. The rat party has such luminaries as Harry Reid, Nancy Pelosi, and this poor lost jagoff...



That the OP...a "very________"....would have the audacity to say word one about 'the other guys' explains fully well why this country is so constantly ****ed.

Puigb said:

the conservatives hatred of the Clintons stems from the fact that Bill Clinton was a very good president, and will be remembered as a very good president. What makes it even worse for them is that the man they elected who followed Clinton is widely seen as a horrendous president of epic proportions. Too add onto all of that, things are much better now at the end of Obama's presidency, and his approval ratings suggests he'll be remembered at the very least as a decent president, who cleaned up the mess left by his predecessor. These facts alone sting big time, and it's part of the reason why so called conservatives today are so irrational, and part of the reason why they are voting for an idiot like Trump, because at this point what do they have to lose?

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But that's the thing; they have a lot to lose. The same as anyone else. The Bush/Cheney administration was such a disaster, it should have caused a mass exodus from the GOP. From foreign policy to domestic, it was one failure after another. And it's going to take a generation to fully recover from it. We're going to be paying for Iraq forever and the dead will always remain so. Bush's economy stimulating tax cut erased the budget surplus from the Clinton administration and the subsequent meltdown is still affecting us almost a decade later.

Yet they still want to do the same things. Cutting taxes and military intervention in the ME are at the top of the list of things to do.

And healthcare? The policy of "Something Terrific" is what they have. The idea that buying insurance in other states will solve the problem is so utterly retarded, one has to think they know it won't work but are just mouthing the words in order to:
1. Have something to say because it's better than admitting they have no plan at all
2. Because it isn't Obamacare
3. Because the profits of insurance companies aren't socialist, therefore, allowing the sick and dying to get sicker and die and go bankrupt in the process is preferable to universal healthcare
4. Even more disturbing is the notion that they're willing to pay more for insurance as long as others who they consider inferior are prevented from getting it.

There's nothing rational about it and to me it exemplifies modern American conservative thought. It's a vague, ill-informed, poorly thought-out notion that goes against their own self-interests in nearly every way possible. And it's a childish, self-centered spite that helps fuel it. Thankfully there's enough grown-ups in America to keep this half-wit child away from the matches and the gas can in the tool shed.

For now at least.

CanadaJohn said:

The Conservative government in Canada was quite successful for about a decade, well regarded as the best run country in the G20 into and following the financial crisis brought on by Liberal Bill Clinton's mortgage Ponzi scheme that almost brought down the world's financial markets and badly damaged most economies. That's a prime example of liberal interference in the economy, a move to entitle those who couldn't afford houses with mortgages they couldn't pay, with disastrous results. Liberal social engineering and societal manipulation is endless and they almost always get it wrong and do far more harm than good.

But I gather you support the teat suckers of the world, so carry on and have fun while you can.

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Now I've heard it all, The Bush almost total destruction of our economy and country is Clinton's fault. First you have no clue in finding the reason as to why it happened, You need a lesson in economics, first every president from Hoover on down has written laws to make it easier for people to buy a home of their own, it's the American dream, it still is and any list of causes that doesn't include credit default swaps , is a ignorant list, written by the blind.

Fenton said:

Actually a Hillary win would pretty much guarantee the survival of the GOP.

Nothing grows the Conservative base faster than the consequences of the Liberal agenda. Its a axiomatic truth

I see it as a win win. A Hillary win would pretty much finish off whats left of a already severely damaged Democrat brand.

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Opopanax said:

What shocks me is that people who consider themselves conservative Christians would vote for him. Bill Clinton got a BJ from an intern and surely that was the bell tolling the arrival of Satan. It either reveals that they don't take their religion very seriously, or it's a case of compartmentalization combined with giant earmuffs on and yelling, "NA-NA-NA!!! I CAN'T HEEEEEAR YOOOOOU!!!"

Or both. Yeah, it's both.

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Conservatives Christians are in the hate party , not the Jesus party and you know they don't even know the difference. The Christian right is as far away from Jesus message as any group in this country. Their support of the ugliness that the right has moved to says it all. Clinton is bad because her husband got a BJ and fine with the fact that Trump wants to have sex with his daughter, raped his ex wife, has said that it doesn't matter what the broadcasters say about him as long as he ends up with the best piece of ass and how could anyone forget that he is facing charges in New York state on raping a 13 year old girl. Thats the new right and that defines it concisely.

This election is quite simple, it is whether hate takes over this country or not. At least I know that I'm on the side that is trying to stop that from happening.

jbander said:

This election is quite simple, it is whether hate takes over this country or not. At least I know that I'm on the side that is trying to stop that from happening.

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“It isn't so much that liberals are ignorant. It's just that they know so many things that aren't so.”​

jbander said:

Now I've heard it all, The Bush almost total destruction of our economy and country is Clinton's fault. First you have no clue in finding the reason as to why it happened, You need a lesson in economics, first every president from Hoover on down has written laws to make it easier for people to buy a home of their own, it's the American dream, it still is and any list of causes that doesn't include credit default swaps , is a ignorant list, written by the blind.

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Who deregulated the housing mortgage market and coerced banks to approve mortgages for buyers who normally would be unqualified to secure such a loan? I'll give you a hint - It was a President who served between Presidents Bush I and Bush II and whose Housing and Urban Development Secretary, who developed and pushed the plan, was Andrew Cuomo.

It's kind of rich for a liberal to lecture others on economics. And it's also rich for a liberal to fault the banks for using deregulation under President Clinton for developing investment instruments that would rid their bottom lines of the disastrous mortgages the Clinton administration forced them to issue. The Clinton mortgage Ponzi scheme is the primary force behind the 2007 financial crisis and the almost decade of stagnation that's followed.

Opopanax said:

But that's the thing; they have a lot to lose. The same as anyone else. The Bush/Cheney administration was such a disaster, it should have caused a mass exodus from the GOP. From foreign policy to domestic, it was one failure after another. And it's going to take a generation to fully recover from it. We're going to be paying for Iraq forever and the dead will always remain so. Bush's economy stimulating tax cut erased the budget surplus from the Clinton administration and the subsequent meltdown is still affecting us almost a decade later.

Yet they still want to do the same things. Cutting taxes and military intervention in the ME are at the top of the list of things to do.

And healthcare? The policy of "Something Terrific" is what they have. The idea that buying insurance in other states will solve the problem is so utterly retarded, one has to think they know it won't work but are just mouthing the words in order to:
1. Have something to say because it's better than admitting they have no plan at all
2. Because it isn't Obamacare
3. Because the profits of insurance companies aren't socialist, therefore, allowing the sick and dying to get sicker and die and go bankrupt in the process is preferable to universal healthcare
4. Even more disturbing is the notion that they're willing to pay more for insurance as long as others who they consider inferior are prevented from getting it.

There's nothing rational about it and to me it exemplifies modern American conservative thought. It's a vague, ill-informed, poorly thought-out notion that goes against their own self-interests in nearly every way possible. And it's a childish, self-centered spite that helps fuel it. Thankfully there's enough grown-ups in America to keep this half-wit child away from the matches and the gas can in the tool shed.

For now at least.

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It's totally amazing the blind ignorance and hatred that wins out with the 2016 conservative. Bush murders 5000 American heroes with a lie. costing trillions.cutting taxes when we are buried in debt. They want to put 13 million people back on the tax ledger for their care instead of them paying their insurance for themselves. There only concern is not for any of these people that are in Obama care but the people who are paying for it, people making over $225,000.00 annually. The average insurance cost is $82.00 dollars a month for the Obama Care purchaser. The haters have no plan at all , they throw out a few silly ideas but a simple fact is anything they come up with is peanuts compare to the cost cutting factors that exist in Obama care already. The are ignorant enough to believe that the increased cost of all health insurance is because of Obama care. They look past the fact that without Obama care the American taxpayer is back paying trillions for these 13 million people at the emergency rooms of the American Hospitals.

jbander said:

This election is quite simple, it is whether hate takes over this country or not. At least I know that I'm on the side that is trying to stop that from happening.

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If I remember right, you are the one who admitted to be filled with hate on a different thread.

TurtleDude said:

you mean we weren't on our way to being the greatest nation in the world before we started getting the creeping crud of collectivism?

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We were on our way down the tubes in 1929 under a Republican and then again in 2008 under another Republican. Coincidence? I think not.

jbander said:

It couldn't happen to a better, more deserving group then what the conservative party has turned into. It's been ugly for years but they have gone to the outer edge of ugliness, to a point that anyone who has a conscience and can think is leaving this sinking ship. The polls and forecasts that I have seen makes for a complete massacre in the presidential race, with all scenarios looked into, Trump has a 4% chance of winning in one and less then 1 1/2% chance in the other. The senate will be a little harder they have a 30% chance, again looking at all scenarios, to end up still being held by This ugly group of Americans. For decades they have groomed their voters to hate and blame our countries trouble on everything from the poor to Muslims, gays,unions, government, Mexicans, immigrants, Taxes, regulations, Teachers, blacks, women and government workers. They instilled this hatred and all of a sudden are amazed that a hate candidate that they can't control takes over their party. Hard to believe isn't it? There is no group more deserving then the party that at one time was called the Republican party.

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I think you're too quick to equate Trump with conservatism. He isn't a conservative and even some Trump supporters on this site call him a populist, a nationalist and even a nativist. Trump received 40% of the total Republican primary vote, not close to a majority. The one faction of the Republican Party Trump lost was the conservative faction. He lost them to Cruz, but he won all other factions by a plurality. It was the conservatives within the GOP that started the Anti-Trump and Never-Trump movement. It failed misserability, but it has been the conservatives who have abandon Trump and turned conservatives, by the Trumpers anyway into the new RINO's.

Conservatives Are The New RINOs

Most of Trump's lifelong held political views have been liberal and more a tuned to the Democratic Party. Sure, he change a couple to run as a Republican, that and his promise to build a wall along with his political incorrectness was enough to get 40% of the GOP to back him. Most true conservatives will tell you Trump is no more than an egotistical, 5th grade schoolyard bully, opportunist who took advantage of some very angry Republicans. Trump is more of a snake oil salesman, a throw back to the old wild west medicine man with his cure all magic elixir.

Trump has made war with, started feuds with the Bush's, McCain, Ryan, Cruz, Rubio, most of the Republican Party's elected officials, the party establishment, FoxNews, it's conservative donors who refused to donate to him and more. Trump is at war with conservatives and those conservatives who will end up voting for him are doing so to prevent Hillary Clinton from winning. Not that they want Trump as president, they don't.

But the political parties that be, decided to give us voters two very horrible choices this time around. YouGov shows 57% of all Americans view Hillary Clinton in a negative light, 58% of all Americans view Trump negatively. ABC/Washington post follows that up with 60% of America viewing Hillary Clinton unfavorable 58% Donald Trump unfavorable.

https://today.yougov.com/news/2016/11/02/yougoveconomist-poll-october-30-november-1-2016/

Post-ABC Tracking Poll, Oct. 26-29 - The Washington Post

The fact is the majority of Americans do not want either one to be our next president. This is a choice the majority do not want to make. This election is between two snakes in the grass, two peas from the same pod.

Only their avid supporters like them, most Americans do not. Our two major parties have given America a choice between two dregs from the bottom of the barrel. If this is the best either party can come up with, both parties deserve to be thrown on the trash heap of history. Both have failed this nation tremendously. Regardless of who wins in this election, this nation will be the big loser. By nominating these two, our two major parties have sown the seed of this nations ruination. Thank you so much Republican and Democratic Parties.

iguanaman said:

We were on our way down the tubes in 1929 under a Republican and then again in 2008 under another Republican. Coincidence? I think not.

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LOL, those who do not understand history are doomed to be schooled by those who do. I guess you slept through the Carter Malaise and the Obama incompetence and the "guns and butter" nonsense of LBJ

TurtleDude said:

LOL, those who do not understand history are doomed to be schooled by those who do. I guess you slept through the Carter Malaise and the Obama incompetence and the "guns and butter" nonsense of LBJ

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Carter created more jobs in his 1 term than Reagan did in his 1st term. I don't blame him for OPEC tripling oil prices either. Regardless nothing compares to the Great Recession of the 20's OR the Great Bush Recession in 2008. The truth is that the further we stray from FDR's tax reforms and regulations the worse off we are as a nation. The legislators of the 1930's knew 1st hand how wealth corrupts if not regulated and we sadly forgot their lesson.

Opopanax said:

What shocks me is that people who consider themselves conservative Christians would vote for him. Bill Clinton got a BJ from an intern and surely that was the bell tolling the arrival of Satan. It either reveals that they don't take their religion very seriously, or it's a case of compartmentalization combined with giant earmuffs on and yelling, "NA-NA-NA!!! I CAN'T HEEEEEAR YOOOOOU!!!"

Or both. Yeah, it's both.

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It was never about Bill Clinton getting a blowjob from an intern. Bill Clinton was facing a civil suit for sexually harassing a campaign staff worker. Your hero had her escorted to his room where she walked in on him with his sweatpants around his ankles jerking himself off, then stood up and told her to kiss his dick. She declined. She filed a sexual harassment lawsuit. During the lawsuit he lied, repeatedly about other affairs, about allegations of rape, it was discovered he was on tape suborning perjury and witness tampering, it was revealed that he had allegations of rape and sexual harassment, and that yes, he was currently in the midst of a 'relationship' with an intern whereby your hero had her blow him and he occasionally stuck a cigar in her vagina and smoked the cigars. He was impeached for lying under oath, and not just about the affairs.

jbander said:

It couldn't happen to a better, more deserving group then what the conservative party has turned into. It's been ugly for years but they have gone to the outer edge of ugliness, to a point that anyone who has a conscience and can think is leaving this sinking ship. The polls and forecasts that I have seen makes for a complete massacre in the presidential race, with all scenarios looked into, Trump has a 4% chance of winning in one and less then 1 1/2% chance in the other. The senate will be a little harder they have a 30% chance, again looking at all scenarios, to end up still being held by This ugly group of Americans. For decades they have groomed their voters to hate and blame our countries trouble on everything from the poor to Muslims, gays,unions, government, Mexicans, immigrants, Taxes, regulations, Teachers, blacks, women and government workers. They instilled this hatred and all of a sudden are amazed that a hate candidate that they can't control takes over their party. Hard to believe isn't it? There is no group more deserving then the party that at one time was called the Republican party.

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How far are you into that bottle?

jbander said:

It couldn't happen to a better, more deserving group then what the conservative party has turned into. It's been ugly for years but they have gone to the outer edge of ugliness, to a point that anyone who has a conscience and can think is leaving this sinking ship. The polls and forecasts that I have seen makes for a complete massacre in the presidential race, with all scenarios looked into, Trump has a 4% chance of winning in one and less then 1 1/2% chance in the other. The senate will be a little harder they have a 30% chance, again looking at all scenarios, to end up still being held by This ugly group of Americans. For decades they have groomed their voters to hate and blame our countries trouble on everything from the poor to Muslims, gays,unions, government, Mexicans, immigrants, Taxes, regulations, Teachers, blacks, women and government workers. They instilled this hatred and all of a sudden are amazed that a hate candidate that they can't control takes over their party. Hard to believe isn't it? There is no group more deserving then the party that at one time was called the Republican party.

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Oops... New LA Times Poll Puts Trump 4 Points Ahead of Clinton

A new Los Angeles Times/USC poll, carried out the weekend after the FBI sent a letter to Congress and informed them it was re-opening an investigation into Hillary Clinton’s email server, found that Donald Trump leads his Democratic counterpart by more than 4 points.

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Now it's 4 points Trump, nationwide. Factor in that Hillary has about a 20 point lead in California and that makes it about 5 or 6 over the rest of the states. I believe your proclamations of the GOP demise were a bit premature.

CanadaJohn said:

Who deregulated the housing mortgage market and coerced banks to approve mortgages for buyers who normally would be unqualified to secure such a loan? I'll give you a hint - It was a President who served between Presidents Bush I and Bush II and whose Housing and Urban Development Secretary, who developed and pushed the plan, was Andrew Cuomo.

It's kind of rich for a liberal to lecture others on economics. And it's also rich for a liberal to fault the banks for using deregulation under President Clinton for developing investment instruments that would rid their bottom lines of the disastrous mortgages the Clinton administration forced them to issue. The Clinton mortgage Ponzi scheme is the primary force behind the 2007 financial crisis and the almost decade of stagnation that's followed.

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You ask who deregulated the housing mortgage market, like I said every president since Hoover. Just one of bushes contributions was his Securities and Exchange Commission exempted large investment banks from limits on their debt-to-equity ratios in 2004, following a lobbying push by, among others, future Bush Treasury Secretary and then Goldman Sachs CEO Henry Paulson. Then there is the fact that The president spent years pushing a recalcitrant Congress to toughen regulation of the companies, but was unwilling to compromise when his former Treasury secretary wanted to cut a deal. And the regulator Bush chose to oversee them - an old school buddy , that he had given a job to in his Government- pronounced fanny and Freddy sound even as they headed toward insolvency. You can't rewrite history or the truth. you can come in and lie and you can come in to distort but neither of those changes the truth. What did Bush have to say about getting more low income people into own home. " The Bush Administration through HUD, also required Fannie and Freddie to give a higher percentage of their loans to loan-income and minorities that otherwise would not qualify for the loans.

That’s why I’ve challenged the industry leaders all across the country to get after it for this goal, to stay focused, to make sure that we achieve a more secure America, by achieving the goal of 5.5 million new minority home owners. I call it America’s home ownership challenge.
And let me talk about some of the progress which we have made to date, as an example for others to follow. First of all, government sponsored corporations that help create our mortgage system — I introduced two of the leaders here today — they call those people Fannie May and Freddie Mac, as well as the federal home loan banks, will increase their commitment to minority markets by more than $440 billion. (Applause.) I want to thank Leland and Franklin for that commitment. It’s a commitment that conforms to their charters, as well, and also conforms to their hearts." He threw a half trillion dollars in to do what you blame on Clinton. You people are driving the little clown car with 40 clowns in it.

Jack Fabulous said:

Oops... New LA Times Poll Puts Trump 4 Points Ahead of Clinton


Now it's 4 points Trump, nationwide. Factor in that Hillary has about a 20 point lead in California and that makes it about 5 or 6 over the rest of the states. I believe your proclamations of the GOP demise were a bit premature.

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Read a little closer, I told you what right leaning polls would do and I told you that the polls are people not numbers in the electoral college. In just the top ten states that she is now ahead in, adds up to 223 of the 270 she needs to start the end of you party, it will continue as the population numbers increase in their proportion of minorities, And trust me it's happening fast and there is no way these minorities will vote for a party that has **** on them for years. Your party's epitaph will read "Demographics killed us , we shouldn't have **** on these groups for so many decades."

jbander said:

Read a little closer, I told you what right leaning polls would do and I told you that the polls are people not numbers in the electoral college. In just the top ten states that she is now ahead in, adds up to 223 of the 270 she needs to start the end of you party, it will continue as the population numbers increase in their proportion of minorities, And trust me it's happening fast and there is no way these minorities will vote for a party that has **** on them for years. Your party's epitaph will read "Demographics killed us , we shouldn't have **** on these groups for so many decades."

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You forgot to say "amen".

iguanaman said:

We were on our way down the tubes in 1929 under a Republican and then again in 2008 under another Republican. Coincidence? I think not.

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Can you tell me what it was Hoover did that led to the Global Depression? Keep in mind he was only in office for about 6 months when the market crashed.