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Donald Trump’s utterly ridiculous budget plan

danarhea said:
My point is that he ran 4 companies into the ground, and left a lot of debtors holding the bag. You think he is able to help financially manage a nation after that? OK, whatever floats your boat. My vote will still be for Gary Johnson, that former Republican governor of New Mexico who inherited a boatload of debt when he came to office, and left New Mexico with a surplus. He did this during hard times too. Now THAT's taking responsible action.

I don't judge people by what they say. I judge them by what they do. I'm sure that, at one time, he was telling everybody he was going to make those companies great, just like he's going to make America great again.. He didn't, and he won't. His track record speaks for itself. The way I see it, Trump talks a whole lot, but is not up to the challenge, and is unfit for public office. We already have the evidence.
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I love how 4 casinos in Atlantic City are now "4 companies run into the ground", even though 3 of them are actually still operating.
 
tres borrachos said:
I love how 4 casinos in Atlantic City are now "4 companies run into the ground", even though 3 of them are actually still operating.
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I love how trump supporters believe that bankruptcy is a good trait to have. LOL.
 
danarhea said:
I love how trump supporters believe that bankruptcy is a good trait to have. LOL.
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I do too, but considering I voted for Rubio in the NH primary and have publicly declared I will not vote for Trump if he's the GOP nominee, you're "LOL"ing at people who aren't engaged in this discussion with you.

I'm pointing out that you know zero about the subject you're posting about. As I said in the first post where I pointed out how wrong you are, there are a lot of reasons to dislike Trump, and this isn't one of them. 4 failed casinos (most of which are still operating) in a city filled with failed and empty casinos doesn't make the case. You want to go after Trump, you should pick something that's correct.
 
danarhea said:
I love how trump supporters believe that bankruptcy is a good trait to have. LOL.
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The Trump Plaza Hotel bankruptcy in NYC is the 1 that gets me. The casinos going bankrupt? Especially over the past 10 years or so? That can't be almost expected. The gaming industry isn't what it use to be, especially in Atlantic City. That city, and NJ are disasters. So the casino bankruptcies I can understand.

But he lost $500 in a few years on a luxury hotel in NYC? That's pretty bad. Shows bad management on his part, IMO.
 
Lafayette said:
Pure personal invective, with no substantiation.

You don't like these people - for personal reasons.

Worthless input on a blog ...
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So then Libya is a flourishing democracy? That's got Hillary's hands all over it...

Or how about the fact that her 2008 presidential campaign was a disaster and she snatched defeat from the jaws of victory by managing a completely incompetent campaign?

What about her 2016 campaign which is similarly being managed with utter incompetence despite her inside track?

Let's also look at the Caracol Industrial Park in Haiti...
A glittering industrial park in Haiti falls short | Al Jazeera America
Hundreds of smallholder farmers were coaxed into giving up more than 600 acres of land for the complex, yet nearly 95 percent of that land remains unused.
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Most critically, fewer than 1,500 jobs have been created — paying too little, the locals say, and offering no job security
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. The State Department has promised the park will create 65,000 jobs,

. At the opening, then-Secretary of State Hillary Rodham Clinton called it "a new day for Haiti and a new model for how the international community practices development."
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If there are some successes about Hilllary' Clinton's state department that you would like to tell me about by all means let me know. But if all you have to offer is the fact that she has a vagina and has accumulated a bunch of frequent flier miles then you can forget it. Hillary Clinton is incompetent by demonstration. It's not an invective. That's just her record.
 
GPS_Flex said:
Donald Trump’s utterly ridiculous budget plan

So when are the Trump supporters going to check back into reality
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Hard Core Trump Supporters are with him explicitly because they have rejected reality. When reality refuses to align with their preferences, they blame others.

and realize that anyone can promise pie in the sky results but talk is cheap and the real world requires complex and difficult decisions/solutions and that the attitude of a candidate is the worst thing you could possibly judge a presidential candidate upon? When are you idiots going realize that Trump will say whatever you want to hear to get elected while in reality, he either knows his promises (which never include any details on how he'll get them done) can't be kept because they're impossible or because he's so clueless he doesn't have a clue about what being POTUS entails?
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What we have seen from Trump fans is that, when he switches positions, they do too, with no indication of cognitive dissonance whatsoever.

This is one voting group I just don't understand. Are you like Trump zombies who watch his reality TV shows and care more about the celebrity than the welfare of the USA or do you think Trump actually knows what he's talking about and can achieve his wild claims?
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It's a personality cult. The dynamics are similar to Obama/2008
 
danarhea said:
I love how trump supporters believe that bankruptcy is a good trait to have. LOL.
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Bankruptcy is not a trait. It is a legal process. It has been used by 10's of thousands of companies.
 
danarhea said:
I love how trump supporters believe that bankruptcy is a good trait to have. LOL.
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Bankruptcy was good enough for GM. Heck, Obama helped the company move through the bankruptcy process. Suddenly, for Trump, it's a bad thing?

Typical liberal hypocrisy...being used by conservatives. Pathetic.
 
i guess gw bush had a budget plan,spend spend spend.

RUN DON RUN
 
the only one in this race that speaks AMERICAN is donald trump.like him or not nobody owns donald trump.
rubio and cruz are bought and paid for..

RUN DON RUN
 
Mycroft said:
Bankruptcy was good enough for GM. Heck, Obama helped the company move through the bankruptcy process. Suddenly, for Trump, it's a bad thing?
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Yeah, no. This thread is about Trump, and his bankruptcies of companies he ran, and his budget plan. Obama wasn't running GM when they went bankrupt. Trump WAS in charge of the casinos and hotel when he filed for business bankruptcy.
 
Trump's whole game is to promise us that we will win. This is akin to sports fans that will excuse almost anything as long as their team is winning. If he pulls it off and America starts winning again, a tremendous amount of ancillary effects will be ignored. Trump appeals to both parties moderates (Read independents) because he is not beholden to any particular ideology. The social fabric of the nation he barely gives lip-service too, and rightly so, at least politically. This is a winning strategy nationally and the dems know it. I am surprised, frankly that he has done so well with the far right of the republicans party thus far. Generally the far or even intermediate right of the republican establishment require a commitment on social direction. This year, not so much. If Trump can get past the primaries, he's a lock to attract moderate dems and independents.

Tim-
 
Mycroft said:
Bankruptcy was good enough for GM. Heck, Obama helped the company move through the bankruptcy process. Suddenly, for Trump, it's a bad thing?

Typical liberal hypocrisy...being used by conservatives. Pathetic.
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Obama is not the one who owned GM. Trump did own his casinos and entertainment empire. There is a difference, but Trump apologists just aren't going to see it. They are going to keep on coming up with one excuse after another.

Sure, bankruptcy can be used as a business tool. However, going there several times shows that you are not a very good manager, and certainly not worth being put in a position to manage the USA. Trump apologists aren't going to see that either. The funny thing about Trump apologists is that they are even cool with Trump completely destroying the Republican brand.
 
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SenorXm/Sirius said:
Yeah, no. This thread is about Trump, and his bankruptcies of companies he ran, and his budget plan. Obama wasn't running GM when they went bankrupt. Trump WAS in charge of the casinos and hotel when he filed for business bankruptcy.
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danarhea said:
Obama is not the one who owned GM. Trump did own his casinos and entertainment empire. There is a difference, but Trump apologists just aren't going to see it. They are going to keep on coming up with one excuse after another.

Sure, bankruptcy can be used as a business tool. However, going there several times shows that you are not a very good manager, and certainly not worth being put in a position to manage the USA. Trump apologists aren't going to see that either. The funny thing about Trump apologists is that they are even cool with Trump completely destroying the Republican brand.
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Actually, this thread is about Trump and his non-existent budget plan...not about any bankruptcies. But, since y'all brought up how bad it is to file for bankruptcy, then your attitude should apply to ALL bankruptcies and to ALL politicians who enable them...such as Obama.

If you want to only limit it to Trump, you are being hypocritical.
 
Mycroft said:
Actually, this thread is about Trump and his non-existent budget plan...not about any bankruptcies. But, since y'all brought up how bad it is to file for bankruptcy, then your attitude should apply to ALL bankruptcies and to ALL politicians who enable them...such as Obama.

If you want to only limit it to Trump, you are being hypocritical.
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Nope. Again, Obama wasn't in charge of GM. He wasn't responsible for the GM bankruptcy. Where Trump was responsible for his casino and hotel bankruptcies. You're a typical Republican, you preach on and on about self responsibility and accountability, but you refuse to pin the blame for anything on any Republican. Trump was the boss, his businesses went bankrupt 4 times. It's on him. The buck stops with him.
 
Mycroft said:
Actually, this thread is about Trump and his non-existent budget plan...not about any bankruptcies. But, since y'all brought up how bad it is to file for bankruptcy, then your attitude should apply to ALL bankruptcies and to ALL politicians who enable them...such as Obama.

If you want to only limit it to Trump, you are being hypocritical.
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Non existent budget plan? Maybe you are referring to the Democrats under Harry Reid.
 
Moderate Right said:
Non existent budget plan? Maybe you are referring to the Democrats under Harry Reid.
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The OP's article is about some mythological Trump budget plan, but the fact is that Trump has not presented any budget plan. So, yet...it is a non-existent budget plan.
 
SenorXm/Sirius said:
Nope. Again, Obama wasn't in charge of GM. He wasn't responsible for the GM bankruptcy. Where Trump was responsible for his casino and hotel bankruptcies. You're a typical Republican, you preach on and on about self responsibility and accountability, but you refuse to pin the blame for anything on any Republican. Trump was the boss, his businesses went bankrupt 4 times. It's on him. The buck stops with him.
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Do you really think repeating your nonsense will make it any more relevant?

It won't.

Anyway, I'm not a typical Republican. In fact, I'm not a Republican at all. You should direct your deflecting attacks toward someone they might apply to. Not that that tactic will help you with your ridiculous attempts to attack Trump.
 
Mycroft said:
The OP's article is about some mythological Trump budget plan, but the fact is that Trump has not presented any budget plan. So, yet...it is a non-existent budget plan.
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Well, he's proposed tax reform, with some details here:

https://www.donaldjtrump.com/positions/tax-reform

In that document, he describes how he'll pay for the $trillions in tax cuts. His proposals are about $10 trillion short, but he SAYS that will do it. And outside that document, he's made many comments on spending, such as on entitlements and others that will necessarily translate to a budget if he keeps his promises.

If you're pointing out that he's not proposed a formal budget, true but irrelevant since no candidate ever goes through that process. But if you're going to hang your hat on that distinction, then you can't complain about Bernie Sander's proposals, either, since nothing he's proposed is part of a formal budget request. Seems like a way to cherry pick what you want to pay attention to, and ignore what is inconvenient, to me.
 
Mycroft said:
Actually, this thread is about Trump and his non-existent budget plan...not about any bankruptcies. But, since y'all brought up how bad it is to file for bankruptcy, then your attitude should apply to ALL bankruptcies and to ALL politicians who enable them...such as Obama.

If you want to only limit it to Trump, you are being hypocritical.
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No, I don't limit it to Trump. Anybody who takes their company into bankruptcy is not a good manager of their company's money.
 
JasperL said:
Well, he's proposed tax reform, with some details here:

https://www.donaldjtrump.com/positions/tax-reform

In that document, he describes how he'll pay for the $trillions in tax cuts. His proposals are about $10 trillion short, but he SAYS that will do it. And outside that document, he's made many comments on spending, such as on entitlements and others that will necessarily translate to a budget if he keeps his promises.

If you're pointing out that he's not proposed a formal budget, true but irrelevant since no candidate ever goes through that process. But if you're going to hang your hat on that distinction, then you can't complain about Bernie Sander's proposals, either, since nothing he's proposed is part of a formal budget request. Seems like a way to cherry pick what you want to pay attention to, and ignore what is inconvenient, to me.
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I agree that since Trump has not presented a budget that this thread is irrelevant. In fact, I said as much in my very first post in this thread...way back in post # 7.

I have to ask, though, where I've complained about Sanders' proposals in this thread? I don't remember saying a word about Sanders here. I think this is some irrelevant deflection you've come up with.
 
Mycroft said:
I agree that since Trump has not presented a budget that this thread is irrelevant. In fact, I said as much in my very first post in this thread...way back in post # 7.

I have to ask, though, where I've complained about Sanders' proposals in this thread? I don't remember saying a word about Sanders here. I think this is some irrelevant deflection you've come up with.
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My point is that the candidates are trying very hard to distinguish themselves based on their tax plans and their spending plans (in the case of Sanders) so we can identify their priorities and what presumably they will try to get done. So I don't see their published plans or their promises on spending as irrelevant just because they haven't gone through the hundreds or thousands of hours exercise of drawing up a budget affecting every function of government and many sub functions and sub,sub functions down to the dollar.

Trump has a tax plan that cuts $trillions (about $12 trillion over 10 years) and it's impossible in any reality for that to come close to reaching balance, given his pledges to not cut SS, not cut the military in half, and not end Medicare as we know it. And we don't need a formal budget to know that it's impossible, we just have to know first grade math, and the basics of our government's existing budget.
 
JasperL said:
My point is that the candidates are trying very hard to distinguish themselves based on their tax plans and their spending plans (in the case of Sanders) so we can identify their priorities and what presumably they will try to get done. So I don't see their published plans or their promises on spending as irrelevant just because they haven't gone through the hundreds or thousands of hours exercise of drawing up a budget affecting every function of government and many sub functions and sub,sub functions down to the dollar.

Trump has a tax plan that cuts $trillions (about $12 trillion over 10 years) and it's impossible in any reality for that to come close to reaching balance, given his pledges to not cut SS, not cut the military in half, and not end Medicare as we know it. And we don't need a formal budget to know that it's impossible, we just have to know first grade math, and the basics of our government's existing budget.
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Well...perhaps this thread should be titled "Donald Trump’s utterly ridiculous tax plan". Then we wouldn't be talking about some none-existent budget plan.

Let's face it, Trump hasn't talked a whole lot about WHAT he would want to cut. Kind of makes this whole thread irrelevant. (unless, of course, one just wants to grouse about Trump)
 
I think Trump plans on HUGE economic growth from his tax plan, HUGE corporate inversion profits coming home to be invested in private economy, HUGE tarif revenue, HUGE increases in revenue from companies coming home, HUGE cuts in corruption, waste, spending, HUGE savings in using military budget wisely in getting rid of defense companies cronyism and being so powerful we don't have to get in expensive wars because no one will think of messing with us, HUGE savings in lowering drug costs by opening it up to bid. On the latter alone, if Trump's numbers are correct, save 300 billion a year. Anyway this is how Trump plans on creating balanced budgets and surpluses.
 
GPS_Flex said:
Donald Trump’s utterly ridiculous budget plan



So when are the Trump supporters going to check back into reality and realize that anyone can promise pie in the sky results but talk is cheap and the real world requires complex and difficult decisions/solutions and that the attitude of a candidate is the worst thing you could possibly judge a presidential candidate upon? When are you idiots going realize that Trump will say whatever you want to hear to get elected while in reality, he either knows his promises (which never include any details on how he'll get them done) can't be kept because they're impossible or because he's so clueless he doesn't have a clue about what being POTUS entails? This is one voting group I just don't understand. Are you like Trump zombies who watch his reality TV shows and care more about the celebrity than the welfare of the USA or do you think Trump actually knows what he's talking about and can achieve his wild claims?
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Really is there anyone with ounce of gray matter that values or put credence to what Trump says!

Take Trump ridiculous comment about 40% unemployment. Not that means He has no clue about economy or how it works, but also that puts worst light on his supports, they should have laugh him out of the stage just for that, but they didn't, which only means they are even more clueless that he his, which actually does explain a lot!

Here is an FYI. Even at the worst of year great Depression unemployment never went above 30%, it capped at 25%. 40% unemployment! Can you imagine what kind of country we would have. You would need a wall to keep people in!!! How can you possible take anything else he says seriously?!!?

Right now he is as entertaining as that monkey who is spinning the handle on the musical box. But that doesn't mean I will let the monkey be the conductor to New York Philharmonic orchestra!!

He will crash and burn during general election. I don't think even the most abbit conservative republican with an ounce of brain will be willing to support or validate the stuff he says!


Diving Mullah
 
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