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If You Live Near the Keystone XL Route then You're Probably for It

Man I love how so many of the same people championing property rights and commerce rights in threads about christian bakeries do a 180 when it comes to oil.
 
Man I love how so many of the same people championing property rights and commerce rights in threads about christian bakeries do a 180 when it comes to oil.

Sorry, but I don't think you'll actually find many who thread that needle. In any case, those threads were not about property rights.
 
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There are existing 3,000 miles of pipeline in the Keystone project, some of it there and pumping crude from 1996. No one has ever posted proof of one spill. Every spill attributed to TransCanada Piepline has been exaggerated, the clean up details ignored. TransCanada is a world class pipeline builder with projects from Mexico to the middle east, and has one of the world's best safety records, while existing US pipelines are among the most dangerous as they are old and ancient technology.

As a general note, most of the existing plumbing underground in the US is ancient - not just the oil and gas - all of it.
 
I assume the country whose needs are being affected is Canada because the XL will be of very limited benefit for the USA.
PS Snail Darters did not drink up all the water in Cali. They are in the midst of a record drought.

Most of the oil will end up being consumed here in the US.

I used the snail darter as one example of many as a reason to prevent the building of new reservoirs in California. As a result, over 80% of the fresh water available in California runs into the sea. IOW, the problem they are experiencing with fresh water there now could have been mitigated had they the foresight to understand that droughts do happen from time to time.
 
Sorry, but I don't think you'll actually find many who thread that needle. In any case, those threads were not about property rights.

Once the word "rights" is employed, some believe it gives them leave to discuss all rights without differentiation. Since I've learned that snail darters are drinking all the water in California however, I'm not surprised at the confusion.
 
As a general note, most of the existing plumbing underground in the US is ancient - not just the oil and gas - all of it.

Good morning, humbolt. :2wave:

:agree: That's only one part of our deteriorating infrastructure that needs to be upgraded or replaced. Some of the water pipes in big cities are nearly 100 years old, and are springing leaks, causing huge sinkholes that swallow cars! We had a large cave-in here some years ago, and a mom with two kids in the car were in the wrong place at the wrong time. Can you imagine the horror of having the road in front of you just disappear while you're driving along? I can't! :eek: We need to concentrate on our Country's problems and stop sending money to everyone else in the world who comes to us, hat in hand. We don't have the money, so we borrow it? That's like using a credit card to pay the bill we previously put on that credit card! No wonder we have a debt of $ 18 trillion dollars and climbing by the minute! Craziness on the part of our elected officials in DC, and it can't continue for much longer, I'm afraid!
 
Good morning, humbolt. :2wave:

:agree: That's only one part of our deteriorating infrastructure that needs to be upgraded or replaced. Some of the water pipes in big cities are nearly 100 years old, and are springing leaks, causing huge sinkholes that swallow cars! We had a large cave-in here some years ago, and a mom with two kids in the car were in the wrong place at the wrong time. Can you imagine the horror of having the road in front of you just disappear while you're driving along? I can't! :eek: We need to concentrate on our Country's problems and stop sending money to everyone else in the world who comes to us, hat in hand. We don't have the money, so we borrow it? That's like using a credit card to pay the bill we previously put on that credit card! No wonder we have a debt of $ 18 trillion dollars and climbing by the minute! Craziness on the part of our elected officials in DC, and it can't continue for much longer, I'm afraid!

We do need a severe reordering of our priorities. I could be wrong by this time, but I do remember not so long ago that there was still lead water pipe in Boston, among other cities. The storm drains in nearby Roanoke - within the city - are still connected to the sewer lines, so that when we have huge amounts of rain the sewage treatment plant for the city is overwhelmed. That's just peachy. Such problems abound in the country - including nearly every service and utility, roads and bridges, not to mention the continuing problem of suburban sprawl and the over-development of coastal areas. If we haven't passed the tipping point in the decline beyond which we cannot recover, we're very nearly there.
 
As a general note, most of the existing plumbing underground in the US is ancient - not just the oil and gas - all of it.

We in Canada are well aware of that. I am also aware of how many and how bad are the leaks in the creaking old system. Even worse are you RR's, tank cars especially.

Pissy American liberals whine about "Canadian oil" on your land, well we get your rail cars and they destroy entire neighborhoods..


Lac-Mégantic rail disaster - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia


So if we truly believed you didn't want "Canadian oil" on your precious diseased and decaying land, we would be only too happy to oblige.

But I am in a mood, every ****ing time Keystone comes up I get hit ignorance and, accused of lying and other personal insults by misfits without a clue.

The United States, through its government asked for the Keystone Pipeline, was fast tracked by Clinton and now that a selfish little prick with an ego decides he wants Iranian oil, suddenly the whole ****ing thing is **** and an insult to freedom.

As I keep saying, it is becoming impossible to be your friends under Obama
 
We in Canada are well aware of that. I am also aware of how many and how bad are the leaks in the creaking old system. Even worse are you RR's, tank cars especially.

Pissy American liberals whine about "Canadian oil" on your land, well we get your rail cars and they destroy entire neighborhoods..


Lac-Mégantic rail disaster - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia


So if we truly believed you didn't want "Canadian oil" on your precious diseased and decaying land, we would be only too happy to oblige.

But I am in a mood, every ****ing time Keystone comes up I get hit ignorance and, accused of lying and other personal insults by misfits without a clue.

The United States, through its government asked for the Keystone Pipeline, was fast tracked by Clinton and now that a selfish little prick with an ego decides he wants Iranian oil, suddenly the whole ****ing thing is **** and an insult to freedom.

As I keep saying, it is becoming impossible to be your friends under Obama

He's temporary. Once he's out of office and the left gets the vapors again, things will return to sanity. American sanity - you have to make some allowances.
 
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He's temporary. Once he's out of office and the left gets the vapors again, things will return to sanity. American sanity - you have to make some allowances.


I know, there is a possibility the prevailing foreign policy will change. The there is Hillary who is less capable.

Few Americans realize the depth of the change over just a few years. Few realize, probably because of so many dramatic events on the world scene, certainly the hacking of Sony pictures [yeah, sure, it happened] takes presidence over stupid Canada.

Canada is never a priority to an American government, except with Reagan who championed NAFTA, which now the ruling liberals say you hate and want torn up. So, to put in perspective what has happened here; more than the canceling of part of a pipeline project, the future has no future.

There will never be a phase four. Ever. The number one pipeline builder in north America has lost money on a contract that had been green lighted. What chance do you think they will be proposing another one any time soon? What chance do you see for new crude pipelines to feed your refineries? There will not be a pipeline out of Canada expanded or built for at least two decades.

Meanwhile, Canada is bringing in new, tough restrictions on tank cars and transport of hazardous goods, by the end of this decade there won't be any in or out. And we have re-established tough regulations on tankers. Where will you get your new oil?

Not from us.

In the meantime, since 1995 US trade both directions has plummeted to 40% of all trade from 80%. We have found new markets, we need you less and less and now that there is zero chance of increasing oil and gas trade why bother?. Already in the works is a northern route, with no side tracks to American refineries, from the source to tankers and to Asia, our new best friends; you get Iran.

We don't need you anymore.

And with liberals shouting we don't want Canadian oil on our land, how favorably will the Canadian public treat a US request to expand the Alaska network?

It's more than a pipeline.
 
I know, there is a possibility the prevailing foreign policy will change. The there is Hillary who is less capable.

Few Americans realize the depth of the change over just a few years. Few realize, probably because of so many dramatic events on the world scene, certainly the hacking of Sony pictures [yeah, sure, it happened] takes presidence over stupid Canada.

Canada is never a priority to an American government, except with Reagan who championed NAFTA, which now the ruling liberals say you hate and want torn up. So, to put in perspective what has happened here; more than the canceling of part of a pipeline project, the future has no future.

There will never be a phase four. Ever. The number one pipeline builder in north America has lost money on a contract that had been green lighted. What chance do you think they will be proposing another one any time soon? What chance do you see for new crude pipelines to feed your refineries? There will not be a pipeline out of Canada expanded or built for at least two decades.

Meanwhile, Canada is bringing in new, tough restrictions on tank cars and transport of hazardous goods, by the end of this decade there won't be any in or out. And we have re-established tough regulations on tankers. Where will you get your new oil?

Not from us.

In the meantime, since 1995 US trade both directions has plummeted to 40% of all trade from 80%. We have found new markets, we need you less and less and now that there is zero chance of increasing oil and gas trade why bother?. Already in the works is a northern route, with no side tracks to American refineries, from the source to tankers and to Asia, our new best friends; you get Iran.

We don't need you anymore.

And with liberals shouting we don't want Canadian oil on our land, how favorably will the Canadian public treat a US request to expand the Alaska network?

It's more than a pipeline.

Well, I agree with all of the above. The US under Obama has shown a complete disrespect for allies with any European connection at all - Canada isn't alone in this. While Obama may enjoy the fruits of western culture, there's little doubt he despises it's roots and branches. When Obama entered Washington, it was like the Visigoths entering Rome, raping and plundering and pouring wine over their dicks.
 
Well, I agree with all of the above. The US under Obama has shown a complete disrespect for allies with any European connection at all - Canada isn't alone in this. While Obama may enjoy the fruits of western culture, there's little doubt he despises it's roots and branches. When Obama entered Washington, it was like the Visigoths entering Rome, raping and plundering and pouring wine over their dicks.

I don't know that I would use despise in this context, he certainly considers himself superior and in that anything justifies the means. Throw Netanyahu to the wolves? No problem, 'what did Israel ever do for us". But I see no "us" with him, but "me, myself and I. Nixon went to China, my legacy is Iran. So of course we will start buying Irani oil.
 
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I did. It left out Obama preventing drilling in Anwar. And his continued blocking of Keystone is slowing us down from cutting dependence on middle east oil. And oil production in general is up in the US despite Barack "Hussein" Obama....not because of him.
 
Man I love how so many of the same people championing property rights and commerce rights in threads about christian bakeries do a 180 when it comes to oil.

Which 180 would that be? Without eminent domain, we would not have an interstate highway system, many of the nation's finest hospitals, international airports, etc would not exist.
 
I did. It left out Obama preventing drilling in Anwar. And his continued blocking of Keystone is slowing us down from cutting dependence on middle east oil. And oil production in general is up in the US despite Barack "Hussein" Obama....not because of him.


A cliche but still true -- Denial ain't just a river in Egypt.

You did see that bit about opening up the waters of the East Coast to drilling - didn't you? Why drill in ANWR when it will be cheaper to do it in more temperate climes?

The United States imported approximately 9 million barrels per day (MMbbl/d) of petroleum in 2014 from about 80 countries. Petroleum includes crude oil, natural gas plant liquids, liquefied refinery gases, refined petroleum products such as gasoline and diesel fuel, and biofuels, including ethanol and biodiesel. In 2014, about 80% of gross petroleum imports were crude oil, and about 44% of the crude oil that was processed in U.S. refineries was imported.

The United States exported about 4 MMbbl/d of crude oil and petroleum products in 2014, resulting in net imports (imports minus exports) of about 5 MMbbl/d in 2014. Net imports accounted for 27% of the petroleum consumed in the United States, the lowest annual average since 1985.

The top five source countries of U.S. petroleum imports in 2014 were Canada, Saudi Arabia, Mexico, Venezuela, and Iraq

Wow!! That secret Muslim, Marxist Muslim is doing a terrible job for the petroleum industry! Lowest import average since 1985.

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A cliche but still true -- Denial ain't just a river in Egypt.

You did see that bit about opening up the waters of the East Coast to drilling - didn't you? Why drill in ANWR when it will be cheaper to do it in more temperate climes?



Wow!! That secret Muslim, Marxist Muslim is doing a terrible job for the petroleum industry! Lowest import average since 1985.

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Why not drill off the coast and in Anwar. The oil companies are quite willing to pay for the more difficult drilling in Anwar. And why not allow the Keystone Pipeline? The more we drill and benefit from North American oil, the less we finance terrorism, which is what we are doing when we buy it from the middle east.
 
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