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Making it so people cannot refuse your biz due to religious convictions...

Goshin

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Very little difference, right? Can't be refused on the basis of religious beliefs?


Think this would generate the same levels of support and media furor?
 
Goshin said:
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Very little difference, right? Can't be refused on the basis of religious beliefs?


Think this would generate the same levels of support and media furor?
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Funny but I guess the difference would be the nature of the cake itself. All (or most) bakeries will do a wedding cake, and a "gay" wedding cake could well be indistinguishable from any other wedding cake. Can you require a specifically themed cake that a bakery has never done before? Could someone insist on an erotic cake from a business that specializes in children's birthday cakes? I don't know.

If someone wanted to order a cake depicting a mockery of Jesus from a Christian owned bakery as their wedding cake, it would be interesting if people would support requiring the bakery to do it.
 
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For the last time, discrimination against a PERSON, over aspects of their IDENTITY, is not the same thing as not having to endorse an IDEA. And regardless of what bigoted dip****s think, there is no "idea" of "gay" marriage. There's just marriage between people of the same sex. There are no gay wedding cakes. There's just wedding cakes for gay people.

GET THIS THROUGH YOUR THICK BACKWARDS RELIGIOUS SKULLS.
 
My understanding from certain other users is that the freedom of religion doesn't apply to commerce. Apparently we're only allowed to express our religion at home and in church. It's kind of like having a gun. You can own one but if you decide to take it out in public you better check with a liberal first to see if it's OK.
 
X Factor said:
Funny but I guess the difference would be the nature of the cake itself. All (or most) bakeries will do a wedding cake, and a "gay wedding cake" could well be indistinguishable from any other wedding cake. Can you require a specifically themed cake that a bakery has never done before? I don't know. Now if someone wanted to order a cake depicting a mockery of Jesus from a Christian owned bakery as their wedding cake, it would be interesting if people would support requiring the bakery to do it.
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Thats quite a dance you are doing there. At no point have I heard an argument that gay wedding cakes are a problem because of how they look-but rather what they represent. This mohammed cake would also be a representation, just of something deeply offensive to the muslim bakery.

In either case, its offensive not so much because of how it appears, but because it violates deeply held views of the cake shop owners.
 
Paschendale said:
For the last time, discrimination against a PERSON, over aspects of their IDENTITY, is not the same thing as not having to endorse an IDEA. And regardless of what bigoted dip****s think, there is no "idea" of "gay" marriage. There's just marriage between people of the same sex. There are no gay wedding cakes. There's just wedding cakes for gay people.

GET THIS THROUGH YOUR THICK BACKWARDS RELIGIOUS SKULLS.
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YOU don't seem to comprehend that by opening this particular can of worms, there are implications far beyond merely whether someone may be compelled to bake a cake for SSM or not.
 
Paschendale said:
For the last time, discrimination against a PERSON, over aspects of their IDENTITY, is not the same thing as not having to endorse an IDEA. And regardless of what bigoted dip****s think, there is no "idea" of "gay" marriage. There's just marriage between people of the same sex. There are no gay wedding cakes. There's just wedding cakes for gay people.

GET THIS THROUGH YOUR THICK BACKWARDS RELIGIOUS SKULLS.
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There are cartoon, except of Mohammed to muslims-which can very well get someone killed.
 
US Conservative said:
Thats quite a dance you are doing there. At no point have I heard an argument that gay wedding cakes are a problem because of how they look-but rather what they represent. This mohammed cake would also be a representation, just of something deeply offensive to the muslim bakery.

In either case, its offensive not so much because of how it appears, but because it violates deeply held views of the cake shop owners.
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I think the justification for forcing or requiring a bakery to make a wedding cake is that they've done that very thing many many times before and that it's discrimination to not do what they've done for everyone else willing to pay for their services. That's different then demanding a cake they've never done before for anyone.
 
Goshin said:
YOU don't seem to comprehend that by opening this particular can of worms, there are implications far beyond merely whether someone may be compelled to bake a cake for SSM or not.
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After each murder by islamic terrorists over Mohammed cartoons the forums lefties told us all how there was no need to be offensive.
But they somehow dont extend that to gay wedding cakes. Interesting how that turned out.
 
X Factor said:
I think the justification for forcing or requiring a bakery to make a wedding cake is that they've done that very thing many many times before and that it's discrimination to not do what they've done for everyone else willing to pay for their services. That's different then demanding a cake they've never done before for anyone.
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How many gay wedding cakes have those small town Indiana bakeries made?

Whats different here? Would it be that it might be more technically difficult to make a cartoon cake?
How about if "Mohammed is a false prophet" was written on it, would that be better? :lol:
 
Goshin said:
YOU don't seem to comprehend that by opening this particular can of worms, there are implications far beyond merely whether someone may be compelled to bake a cake for SSM or not.
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If you had any clue how the particular laws in question worked, you would know that the scenario in your OP has NOTHING TO DO with them.
 
Paschendale said:
For the last time, discrimination against a PERSON, over aspects of their IDENTITY, is not the same thing as not having to endorse an IDEA. And regardless of what bigoted dip****s think, there is no "idea" of "gay" marriage. There's just marriage between people of the same sex. There are no gay wedding cakes. There's just wedding cakes for gay people.

GET THIS THROUGH YOUR THICK BACKWARDS RELIGIOUS SKULLS.
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....speaking of "bigoted dip****s"

I love that you're decrying bigotry while displaying, repeatedly, bigotry over anyone with any religious beliefs. It would be interesting if you would support requiring a Muslim owned bakery to make a wedding cake for a gay couple. Actually, it wouldn't. Your responses are so predictable. Just post some ellipsis and we'll all just assume, correctly, that you're Christian or right wing bashing. Think of the time you could save.
 
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US Conservative said:
How many gay wedding cakes have those small town Indiana bakeries made?

Whats different here? Would it be that it might be more technically difficult to make a cartoon cake?
How about if "Mohammed is a false prophet" was written on it, would that be better? :lol:
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What, specifically, is a "gay" wedding cake?
 
X Factor said:
I think the justification for forcing or requiring a bakery to make a wedding cake is that they've done that very thing many many times before and that it's discrimination to not do what they've done for everyone else willing to pay for their services. That's different then demanding a cake they've never done before for anyone.
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Or we we could just support Freedom and let allow business owners decide who gets services or not. If they people don't like the owners decisions then use the free market instead the gun of the government.
 
US Conservative said:
A "gay wedding" cake would be the ceremonial (no legal authority) desert served at a gay wedding. It may or may not have a unicorn on it.
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Huh, so when couples order a wedding cake, they need designate whether it's a gay or straight wedding cake? How about if a gay couple is ok with serving a straight cake?
 
US Conservative said:
A "gay wedding" cake would be the ceremonial (no legal authority) desert served at a gay wedding. It may or may not have a unicorn on it.
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So at that gay wedding I went too the cake had a gender? OMG I feel so violated as a straight man! Oh wait it was lesbian marriage....never mind. I got a little drunk yanno:3oops:
 
US Conservative said:
A "gay wedding" cake would be the ceremonial (no legal authority) desert served at a gay wedding. It may or may not have a unicorn on it.
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What about rainbows?
 
Paschendale said:
For the last time, discrimination against a PERSON, over aspects of their IDENTITY, is not the same thing as not having to endorse an IDEA. And regardless of what bigoted dip****s think, there is no "idea" of "gay" marriage. There's just marriage between people of the same sex. There are no gay wedding cakes. There's just wedding cakes for gay people.

GET THIS THROUGH YOUR THICK BACKWARDS RELIGIOUS SKULLS.
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Curious.... which side would you be on if a gay person asked a Christian baker to make a cake with a message that promoted homosexuality?
 
Goshin said:
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Very little difference, right? Can't be refused on the basis of religious beliefs?


Think this would generate the same levels of support and media furor?
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best specify some bacon bits on top of it just to make things interesting
 
Josie said:
Curious.... which side would you be on if a gay person asked a Christian baker to make a cake with a message that promoted homosexuality?
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Don't refuse these business. Say you are an artist and this is cake I'm going to create for you the deposit will be XXX$
 
US Conservative said:
After each murder by islamic terrorists over Mohammed cartoons the forums lefties told us all how there was no need to be offensive.
But they somehow dont [sic] extend that to gay wedding cakes. Interesting how that turned out.
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Wrong-wingers have never been big on ethical consistency. I guess it gets down to the “moral relativism” that so many of them defend, whereby their “moral standards” can be whatever is most expedient at any given time with regard to the agenda that they want to promote.
 
A better scenario that illustrates this conflict is: the wedding photographer.

The photographer must BE at the wedding and TAKE PHOTOS of the gay couple couple kissing, dancing, etc. If they are a straight heterosexual who is repulsed by that sort of thing, I can understand why they would prefer to not have anything to do with it. (I can't imagine why the gay couple would want to hire someone like that, anyway.)

Best outcome: the photographer just hands the prospective customer the business card of a colleague who will gladly do it.

The alternative is for government agents to coerce and threaten the photographer with fines or imprisonment if he refuses. Now THAT'S intolerance.
 
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Huh, so when couples order a wedding cake, they need designate whether it's a gay or straight wedding cake? How about if a gay couple is ok with serving a straight cake?
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In the case of the Indiana bakeries, I believe the issue is with what the cake is being used for.
 
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