Spot the racisim.

Metro Atlanta police officer shoots, kills naked, unarmed man - CNN.com

"An officer, responding to reports of a suspicious person, shot and killed an unarmed man who was running around in a metro Atlanta apartment complex naked. The officer fired two shots when the man charged at him, said Cedric Alexander, the public safety director of DeKalb County. But given that the man was not carrying a weapon, the police department immediately turned over the case to the Georgia Bureau of Investigations for an independent probe. "What I have requested here [is] a result of what's going on currently across this country as it relates to police shootings," Alexander told reporters. The officer was white; the deceased man was African-American, Alexander said."

But what about in 2012 when the exact same thing happened, but the color of skin was reversed?

Student's killing appears unjustified, lawyer says - CNN.com

"The shooting of an unarmed and naked Alabama university student killed in a late-night confrontation with a campus police officer appears to be unjustified, the lawyer for the young man's family said Thursday. Part of the brief incident Saturday night that led to the death of 18-year-old Gilbert Thomas Collar of Wetumpka, Alabama, was captured on a surveillance camera outside the University of South Alabama police station. The video has not yet been viewed by reporters or the public, but the Collar family's attorney, Jere Beasley, said, "There is nothing on the surveillance tape that justifies the use of deadly force. The death has, of course, been hard on Collar's family, Beasley said. But he added they have forgiven the officer who fired the fatal shot, and are praying for him."

http://nation.foxnews.com/2014/11/29/white-teen-killed-black-police-officer-alabama-mirrors-ferguson

"Gilbert Collar, a white, unarmed 18-year-old under the influence of drugs was shot and killed Oct. 6, 2012, by Officer Trevis Austin, who is black, in Mobile, Alabama."

No real difference, except now the officer is white and the unarmed naked man is black. Can you spot the racism? I sure can't.

"The officer was white; the deceased man was African-American, Alexander said."

Seems like Alexander, the Public Safety Director, is trying just a little too hard to get his face on television by creating problems where there is none.

Not many outsiders know about the internal cracks. Nevertheless they keep it as a great country.

The "justification" (for outside review of a police shooting) has less to do with racism than "what's going on currently accross the country" (massive protests that cause property damage and possible injury). If the new policy is to have police shootings of all persons reviewed by an outsidet agency then that is fine by me, if the policy is to have police shootings involving a racial difference between the officer and "victim" reviewed, or only if the "victim" was unarmed, than that is more likely racism or a violation of the 2A/14A. The presumption that a mere racial difference means "likely" racism is just as dangerous as the presumption that merely being armed (the basic 2A right) is justifucation for a lesser review of a police shooting. We must be careful not to have black or unarmed lives matter more than other lives.

ttwtt78640 said:

..... The presumption that a mere racial difference means "likely" racism is just as dangerous as the presumption that merely being armed (the basic 2A right) is justifucation for a lesser review of a police shooting. We must be careful not to have black or unarmed lives matter more than other lives.

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Yet that exact presumption is what we see time after time after time.

Lutherf said:

Yet that exact presumption is what we see time after time after time.

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Really? Can you show us where (mostly) whites have protested based on alleged racism the use of deadly force on a white "victim" by a black police officer? The outrage seems quite selective to me, thus so are the alleged "limited" situations that now seem to warrant extra scrutiny to avoid it. The law/policy should not be to grease the squeaky wheel (to prevent/avoid race riots) but to provide equal protection of the law. One should no more be fair game for the police to shoot (with only an internal review) simply because they own/carry a gun than because of their race, ethnicity or gender matching that of the officer.

One dictionary on my shelf says racism is: a belief that race is the primary determinant of human traits and capacities and that racial differences produce an inherent superiority of a particular race
A newer online dictionary also includes: poor treatment of or violence against people because of their race

I prefer the older version. The newer version is all inclusive so that racial prejudice or racial bias can be conveniently called "racism".

kanabco said:

One dictionary on my shelf says racism is: a belief that race is the primary determinant of human traits and capacities and that racial differences produce an inherent superiority of a particular race
A newer online dictionary also includes: poor treatment of or violence against people because of their race

I prefer the older version. The newer version is all inclusive so that racial prejudice or racial bias can be conveniently called "racism".

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No response yet. So I need to push forward.
Rudy Gulliani says Black Lives Matter (BLM) is racist.
Can you give me a definition of "racist" that fits Rudy's statement?
Is there one? that fits the definition "a belief that race is the primary determinant of human traits and capacities and that racial differences produce an inherent superiority of a particular race"
If BLM is racist then were is their statement of racial superiority/inferiority?
It does not exist and has not since the Black Panthers.
The only way BLM can be racist is if the new right definition is used: "poor treatment of or violence against people because of their race".
If that is the definition then the black and the white can exchange them at will.
The problem with this is the racial haters have succeeded in redefining the meaning of "racism" and/or "racist" and you are probably one of the gullible ones who eat it all up.
This is a very sad state IMO.. pure ignorance.

kanabco said:

No response yet. So I need to push forward.
Rudy Gulliani says Black Lives Matter (BLM) is racist.
Can you give me a definition of "racist" that fits Rudy's statement?
Is there one? that fits the definition "a belief that race is the primary determinant of human traits and capacities and that racial differences produce an inherent superiority of a particular race"
If BLM is racist then were is their statement of racial superiority/inferiority?
It does not exist and has not since the Black Panthers.
The only way BLM can be racist is if the new right definition is used: "poor treatment of or violence against people because of their race".
If that is the definition then the black and the white can exchange them at will.
The problem with this is the the racial haters have succeeded in redefining the meaning or "racism" and/or "racist" and you are probably one of the gullible ones who eat it all up.
This is a very sad state IMO.. pure ignorance.

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Give it up, your concocted argument isn't working.

blaxshep said:

Give it up, your concocted argument isn't working.

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But it IS working you see.
It's like fishing.
You like to fish?
I do.
I find a deep pool, cast, let it sink, and reel it back.
This is a good fishing hole as I needed only two casts to catch one.
The bass now either fights or gives up.
So tell me now, piscis, what I have concocted?

https://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/colorstruck/201005/ending-racism-starts-accepting-bias
The new threat: 'Racism without racists' - CNN.com
Racism & Bias -- Can We Pause and Be Honest with Ourselves?
What's the Difference Between Prejudice and Racism?

Google is your friend

Have y'all noticed how difficult it is to have an intellectual discussion about the difference between racism and racial bias? A certain wing of the political spectrum just vanishes.

kanabco said:

Have y'all noticed how difficult it is to have an intellectual discussion about the difference between racism and racial bias? A certain wing of the political spectrum just vanishes.

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Ok let's discuss the racial bias of blacks being racist against whitey.

blaxshep said:

Ok let's discuss the racial bias of blacks being racist against whitey.

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Can you find a specific example where a black person thinks/states/believes that he is of a superior race than a white person?

I can point you to some history where that was the considered case but why don't you support your POV with a contemporary (20 years) example.

Not to worry.
I am patient.
I will wait.

kanabco said:

Can you find a specific example where a black person thinks/states/believes that he is of a superior race than a white person?

I can point you to some history where that was the considered case but why don't you support your POV with a contemporary (20 years) example.

Not to worry.
I am patient.
I will wait.

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Black racism against whites is prevelent. If you can't see that, that's on you. Whites being a superior race is just a fact of life. Please point out any black nation on the planet that has accomplished anything close to what the white nations have.

blaxshep said:

Black racism against whites is prevelent. If you can't see that, that's on you. Whites being a superior race is just a fact of life. Please point out any black nation on the planet that has accomplished anything close to what the white nations have.

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Actually if you can't define the difference between racism and racial bias, "that is on you".
But you have defined YOURSELF as a racist

"Whites being a superior race is just a fact of life"

kanabco said:

Actually if you can't define the difference between racism and racial bias, "that is on you".
And I suppose you will not read. I gave plenty of links to show you the difference between racism and racial prejudice and racial bias. Yet you STILL want to define racism as the KKK defines it.

Let me give you another try... read these links

https://www.psychologytoday.com/blog...accepting-bias
The new threat: 'Racism without racists' - CNN.com
Racism & Bias -- Can We Pause and Be Honest with Ourselves?
What's the Difference Between Prejudice and Racism?


waiting

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I know what you are saying and to a point you're right, however, in the end you're just splitting hairs. You can't have racial prejudice without racism. You do know stereotypes are based on observation. Blacks have a racial prejudice against cops, based on observation. It's still racism.

blaxshep said:

I know what you are saying and to a point you're right, however, in the end you're just splitting hairs. You can't have racial prejudice without racism. You do know stereotypes are based on observation. Blacks have a racial prejudice against cops, based on observation. It's still racism.

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Thank you for the response.
First of all I do not know what you mean by "splitting hairs"
Again the dictionary defines racism thus "the belief that all members of each race possess characteristics or abilities specific to that race, especially so as to distinguish it as inferior or superior to another race or races."
You see that part about "inferior" and "superior"?
You have overtly stated "Whites being a superior race is just a fact of life"
What did I miss?
You have overtly stated that you are a racist.
On the other hand, have you ever heard or read anything where a black says they are superior race to whites?
Of course you have not. (I have but but that is beside the point)

BTW I have never in my life actually had a discussion about race with a bonafide racist. So forgive me if do not comprehend the nuances of blatant ignorance.

blaxshep said:

I know what you are saying and to a point you're right, however, in the end you're just splitting hairs. You can't have racial prejudice without racism. You do know stereotypes are based on observation. Blacks have a racial prejudice against cops, based on observation. It's still racism.

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OOPs.. missed this one.
"You can't have racial prejudice without racism"

of course you can.. that is a Fing POINT!!!!!

kanabco said:

Thank you for the response.
First of all I do not know what you mean by "splitting hairs"
Again the dictionary defines racism thus "the belief that all members of each race possess characteristics or abilities specific to that race, especially so as to distinguish it as inferior or superior to another race or races."
You see that part about "inferior" and "superior"?
You have overtly stated "Whites being a superior race is just a fact of life"
What did I miss?
You have overtly stated that you are a racist.
On the other hand, have you ever heard or read anything where a black says they are superior race to whites?
Of course you have not. (I have but but that is beside the point)

BTW I have never in my life actually had a discussion about race with a bonafide racist. So forgive me if do not comprehend the nuances of blatant ignorance.

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It's not racist it's just a fact of life. All Europen nations are white, America white, Russia white, China white, Japan white, India white, Isreal white, Middle Eastern Nations white, now name one black nation today that even comes close to any of them.

blaxshep said:

It's not racist it's just a fact of life. .

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One the most disturbing things about America today is how easily it is beaten down by ignorance (shown).
Not one of the readers has stepped in to defend simple racist logic.
All of you just sit there and say nothing when an avowed racist has the microphone.
You are doing such a disservice to your country by allowing low IQ bullies to have the pulpit like this.

Mostly timidity I suppose... but I also believe the kids will fix this.
We have to let these racist people die off or let them continue inbreeding so that nature takes care of it.
Such is progress... but such also is cowardice.

kanabco said:

One the most disturbing things about America today is how easily it is beaten down by ignorance (shown).
Not one of the readers has stepped in to defend simple racist logic.
All of you just sit there and say nothing when an avowed racist has the microphone.
You are doing such a disservice to your country by allowing low IQ bullies to have the pulpit like this.

Mostly timidity I suppose... but I also believe the kids will fix this.
We have to let these racist people die off or let them continue inbreeding so that nature takes care of it.
Such is progress... but such also is cowardice.

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Can't name one huh? No surprise.

kanabco said:

Can you find a specific example where a black person thinks/states/believes that he is of a superior race than a white person?

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"White people are potential humans – they haven’t evolved yet."
Louis Farrakhan

Velvet Elvis said:

"White people are potential humans – they haven’t evolved yet."
Louis Farrakhan

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That was the near an example I would have given. I was there and I saw it.
That was then..

Thank you for the reply.

blaxshep said:

Can't name one huh? No surprise.

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I cannot cogently respond or dialog with someone who so blatantly says, "Whites being a superior race is just a fact of life"
You simply do not comprehend the depth of moral corruption you have sunk to.
I love you anyway.

blaxshep said:

Ok let's discuss the racial bias of blacks being racist against whitey.

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Yes, I think it's possible to be racist and I refuse to call it reverse racism. If you are a Latino you can be prejudice against, African American, Asian, Caucasian, and any other race. I could go on with more examples but you get the idea.
If you stereotype and blame another race for real or imagined issues then you are simply racist. Doesn't mean we should dismiss police shootings but we should look into the facts. Here is a link that shows 50% of police shooting involve Caucasian.
However, there is a far higher minority population in prison, jail, and being accused of crimes, so it as to be acknowledged there is problem with targeting minorities.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/volokh-conspiracy/wp/2016/07/18/police-shootings-and-race/


We have a race problem in America and it was just made far worse. If the Minorities in the country feel there is a problem with shooting they have every right to protest and that's what makes America great. Yeah, see it didn't need to be great again it already was.

Velvet Elvis said:

"White people are potential humans – they haven’t evolved yet."
Louis Farrakhan

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I think this is simply taken out of context. The comment is in reference to the fact that white people have potential to change their ways even if it's poorly phrased. However, I can agree that Farrakhan is racist but that doesn't mean every black person feels this way.