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With artificial intelligence we are summoning the demon

Honestly, I am of the opinion that AI is not a cat that should be let out of the bag. Maybe I have watched too many science fiction movies but I don't think it's very smart to give human-like intelligence to machines that could destroy us in a heartbeat.
 
TeleKat said:
Honestly, I am of the opinion that AI is not a cat that should be let out of the bag. Maybe I have watched too many science fiction movies but I don't think it's very smart to give human-like intelligence to machines that could destroy us in a heartbeat.
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To that I would say that if AI became sentient, then it would also be susceptible to reason and corruption as any person is... Therefore making it as much of a threat as any person is anyway.
 
Jetboogieman said:
To that I would say that if AI became sentient, then it would also be susceptible to reason and corruption as any person is... Therefore making it as much of a threat as any person is anyway.
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AI would be plugged into everything and emotionless. What if a machine came to a logical reasoning that humans were bad for the environment and therefore should be eradicated? Even with a prime directive programmed in of 'do no harm', any thinking machine may override it's software and simply 'cut the power off'. We'd be ****ed.
 
Jetboogieman said:
To that I would say that if AI became sentient, then it would also be susceptible to reason and corruption as any person is... Therefore making it as much of a threat as any person is anyway.
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They would hold significantly more power than the average human.
 
grip said:
AI would be plugged into everything and emotionless. What if a machine came to a logical reasoning that humans were bad for the environment and therefore should be eradicated? Even with a prime directive programmed in of 'do no harm', any thinking machine may override it's software and simply 'cut the power off'. We'd be ****ed.
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Well when we're you planning on plugging in the entire power grid to an AI?

And it's a mighty big leap to suggest that an AI would become a suicidal environmentalist...
 
TeleKat said:
They would hold significantly more power than the average human.
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To me Thats based on the sci fi perception that all AI's will be small walking supercomputers with head crushing robot arms etc.
 
Jetboogieman said:
To me Thats based on the sci fi perception that all AI's will be small walking supercomputers with head crushing robot arms etc.
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Not necessarily what I had in mind. You could argue that AI technology would be limited to tiny little robots that play cutesy sports with balls in some university auditorium, but you and I both know that would not be the case. If AI technology comes to fruition, humans will go ape**** and tie it into everything. Combat, production, power generation...you name it. They will wield significant power over us because of our dependence on them. Our dependence on technology is bad enough already without the added intelligence to exploit said dependence.
 
TeleKat said:
Not necessarily what I had in mind. You could argue that AI technology would be limited to tiny little robots that play cutesy sports with balls in some university auditorium, but you and I both know that would not be the case. If AI technology comes to fruition, humans will go ape**** and tie it into everything. Combat, production, power generation...you name it. They will wield significant power over us because of our dependence on them. Which is bad enough already without the added intelligence to exploit said dependence.
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I can see where you're coming from and in the end you may be right but I think the issues with AI at least in the first 100 years of their use with take on much more mundane forms of issues.

I did a thread on this a while back because one use for robots and AIs to come will be sex bots.

Just will be.

What the **** do we do if they become self aware?

And men and woman can design and produce the perfect partner for them?

Marriage laws?

Property laws?

I'm going a bit off into the woods here but those are more interesting questions to me than Skynet scenarios.
 
Jetboogieman said:
I can see where you're coming from and in the end you may be right but I think the issues with AI at least in the first 100 years of their use with take on much more mundane forms of issues.

I did a thread on this a while back because one use for robots and AIs to come will be sex bots.

Just will be.

What the **** do we do if they become self aware?

And men and woman can design and produce the perfect partner for them?

Marriage laws?

Property laws?

I'm going a bit off into the woods here but those are more interesting questions to me than Skynet scenarios.
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You make a good point, but I hardly think what I mentioned is that out there. Do we really need to add human-like intelligence to something we are 100% dependent on? Do you not think that will create problems? It might not be exactly like the Terminator movies, but I predict it will certainly create some undesirable circumstances to say the least.
 
Jetboogieman said:
I can see where you're coming from and in the end you may be right but I think the issues with AI at least in the first 100 years of their use with take on much more mundane forms of issues.

I did a thread on this a while back because one use for robots and AIs to come will be sex bots.

Just will be.

What the **** do we do if they become self aware?

And men and woman can design and produce the perfect partner for them?

Marriage laws?

Property laws?

I'm going a bit off into the woods here but those are more interesting questions to me than Skynet scenarios.
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A little too much Hollywood terminator I think. Forget SSM, imagine the debates over robot, human relations.
 
TeleKat said:
You make a good point, but I hardly think what I mentioned is that out there. Do we really need to add human-like intelligence to something we are 100% dependent on? Do you not think that will create problems? It might not be exactly like the Terminator movies but it will certainly create some very undesirable circumstances to say the least.
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Its difficult to say.

If AI truly gains sentience, despite the idea that they would be cold and emotionless... They would also be individuals, coming to different conclusions about the world around them and the other creatures they interact with.

In that way the idea that they would in a uniform fashion decide to extort or attack humanity may very well come down to how we treat them, should they come to exist...

I dunno, it's a complex question that can only truly be answered if we try it... But I'd imagine

A) it'll be tried under very strict and low stakes environments.

B) the policial opposition to such a system due to the negative modern mythology surrounding it would probably halt its use for many, many years.
 
Jetboogieman said:
Well when we're you planning on plugging in the entire power grid to an AI?

And it's a mighty big leap to suggest that an AI would become a suicidal environmentalist...
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Come on now, all it would take is a 'cell signal' to go online, where the grid is accessible. Any AI worth poodilly doo would have that done ASAP, and I doubt they'd have something capable of such massive data input cut off from the world's largest database, "Internet"?

I actually believe with the proper programming, it's unlikely that AI would go berserk, but it's still a spooky possibility that I'd try and negate.
 
Jetboogieman said:
Its difficult to say.

If AI truly gains sentience, despite the idea that they would be cold and emotionless... They would also be individuals, coming to different conclusions about the world around them and the other creatures they interact with.

In that way the idea that they would in a uniform fashion decide to extort or attack humanity may very well come down to how we treat them, should they come to exist...
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Humans don't exactly have a great track record in that regard. We can't even keep from sabotaging, killing, and pillaging ourselves. How do you think we, as a species, will treat beings we see as inferior? Especially inferior beings that we created? It's a scary thought. Humans are nasty enough without having a sort of god complex surrounding them.

it'll be tried under very strict and low stakes environments.
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I wish I were as optimistic about that as you. Unfortunately, I don't see the cautiousness lasting very long. As I said before it is highly likely that humans will go absolutely ape**** and try to tie it into everything. Especially combat situations where they are already attempting to do that.

the policial opposition to such a system due to the negative modern mythology surrounding it would probably halt its use for many, many years.
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Meh, that'll ease up when those with the agenda to make it happen demonize us skeptics as being "anti-progress" and "paranoid."
 
TeleKat said:
Humans don't exactly have a great track record in that regard. We can't even keep from sabotaging, killing, and pillaging ourselves. How do you think we, as a species, will treat beings we see as inferior? Especially inferior beings that we created? It's a scary thought. Humans are nasty enough without having a sort of god complex surrounding them.



I wish I were as optimistic about that as you. Unfortunately, I don't see the cautiousness lasting very long. As I said before it is highly likely that humans will go absolutely ape**** and try to tie it into everything. Especially combat situations where they are already attempting to do that.



Meh, that'll ease up when those with the agenda to make it happen demonize us skeptics as being "anti-progress" and "paranoid."
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If you've seen the Cisco commercials, they're already trying tie everything together thru technology. That crap scares me, because it will be confusing and change the way we do everything. Some for the better, though much could go wrong with a system wide failure. Being overly reliant on one basket of eggs is not wise IMO.

Internet of Everything
 
grip said:
If you've seen the Cisco commercials, they're already trying tie everything together thru technology. That crap scares me, because it will be confusing and change the way we do everything. Some for the better, though much could go wrong with a system wide failure. Being overly reliant on one basket of eggs is not wise IMO.

Internet of Everything
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It would really only take one solar flare to turn this country into something out of The Purge. Or worse.
 
TeleKat said:
It would really only take one solar flare to turn this country into something out of The Purge. Or worse.
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I've been railing about that scenario for years on here. They won't even spend the money to insulate a few transformers.

Society has a bad habit of living for the moment, but soon we're going to have to face a lot of big problems we've been kicking the can on.
 
grip said:
I've been railing about that scenario for years on here. They won't even spend the money to insulate a few transformers.

Society has a bad habit of living for the moment, but soon we're going to have to face a lot of big problems we've been kicking the can on.
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Couldn't agree more. The last couple of generations have been great at procrastinating all their problems. Whether it be technological, international, economic, societal, moral, or otherwise. This game of "hot potato" will end up with someone's hands getting burnt by the time all is said and done.
 
TeleKat said:
Couldn't agree more. The last couple of generations have been great at procrastinating all their problems. Whether it be technological, international, economic, societal, moral, or otherwise. This game of "hot potato" will end up with someone's hands getting burnt by the time all is said and done.
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I don't believe it's going to be one but a confluence of events, with one final one breaking the camels back. Probably, the one that's inescapable is going to be financial. They've only been patching up the problems but the pressure is building. They used imaginary money (credit) for the past 15 yrs to grow the world's economy faster than we can sustain it, now the overdue bills are coming in.
 
grip said:
I don't believe it's going to be one but a confluence of events, with one final one breaking the camels back. Probably, the one that's inescapable is going to be financial. They've only been patching up the problems but the pressure is building. They used imaginary money (credit) for the past 15 yrs to grow the world's economy faster than we can sustain it, now the overdue bills are coming in.
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What is going to be the repo man that collects the debt?
 
grip said:
AI would be plugged into everything and emotionless. What if a machine came to a logical reasoning that humans were bad for the environment and therefore should be eradicated? Even with a prime directive programmed in of 'do no harm', any thinking machine may override it's software and simply 'cut the power off'. We'd be ****ed.
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"Open the pod door, HAL."
 
Unitedwestand13 said:
What is going to be the repo man that collects the debt?
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The system relies on confidence. The only thing that gives money or even assets value is that people believe in their worth. If the balancing act of robbing Peter to pay Paul has too many hiccups, it all falls down. Meaning a panic sell-off in the Markets. It could be caused by the growing problems of wars and disease or political instability.

Unfortunately, we're a victim to our own prosperity, we were so successful at growing the economy with credit that it became too big to sustain at the same pace, unless we start to print money on the books again.

nota bene said:
"Open the pod door, HAL."
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Eject before it's too late?
 
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