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Gun Control: 3d Printed guns

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So Philadelphia has made an official ban on 3d printed guns. I get the idea that they want to know all of the guns that we own and printing our own guns is having a gun they don't know about. Now im not sure, but isn't this infringement on our constutional rights?

After all doesn't the second amendment say:
A well regulated militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the People to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed.
And by making any gun illegal they are infringing on our constitutional right to bear arms.

I know this is not going to change anything but hey why not.
 
I definitely think it infringes on our rights, because a 3D printed weapon doesn't pose any societal danger, just possible danger to the maker if he isn't competent enough. We all know that's not the reason they've banned them though, they banned them because they can't control them, and there is where the problem is.

I remember maybe half a year ago when 3D printed guns started hitting the internet and people laughed and said the technology would never mature and would never be viable because plastic could never work with a gun. Well, just as I explained, the expensive 3D metal printing process is beginning to hit take home prices, and the future promises, much, much more.

A Sub-$1,000 3D Printer for Metal - Businessweek

This isn't the end all solution for making a home gun either, but someday it will be. The days of gun control are all but a thing of the past.
 
JJB3333 said:
So Philadelphia has made an official ban on 3d printed guns. I get the idea that they want to know all of the guns that we own and printing our own guns is having a gun they don't know about. Now im not sure, but isn't this infringement on our constutional rights?

After all doesn't the second amendment say:
A well regulated militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the People to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed.
And by making any gun illegal they are infringing on our constitutional right to bear arms.

I know this is not going to change anything but hey why not.
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My concerns about 3D printing go beyond guns. How is one to know whether a 3D copy of anything is, in fact, not an original? If I can simply reproduce 3D clones of things and sell them on EBay (or at a garage sale//fleamarket) it would seem to make anyone with a decent 3D printer into a manufacturer.

Why 3D Printing Will Be The Next Big Copyright Fight – ReadWrite
 
is anyone concerned by the fact that a 3d printed gun would be impossible to detect with metal detectors?
 
A barrel requires enough metal and so do bullets for that matter and the brass they are held in. Besides the 3D phenom is now printing metals too.

I think you are more concerned about private gun ownership in general with a statement like this, and the thing many antis might want to get use to is that 3D printing is only just starting. The future is very bright for printing up firearms and you can make it illegal all you want that won't stop criminals just like your "gun controls" today don't impact criminals.


Unitedwestand13 said:
is anyone concerned by the fact that a 3d printed gun would be impossible to detect with metal detectors?
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The whole 3D copier thing is just fascinating. I want to see one of them someday. Is there some corporation or profession that uses them a lot?
 
CalGun said:
A barrel requires enough metal and so do bullets for that matter and the brass they are held in. Besides the 3D phenom is now printing metals too.

I think you are more concerned about private gun ownership in general with a statement like this, and the thing many antis might want to get use to is that 3D printing is only just starting. The future is very bright for printing up firearms and you can make it illegal all you want that won't stop criminals just like your "gun controls" today don't impact criminals.
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if anyone with a 3D printer can make a gun, is there a possibility that some of the people who would benefit would be gangs or thugs?
 
Unitedwestand13 said:
if anyone with a 3D printer can make a gun, is there a possibility that some of the people who would benefit would be gangs or thugs?
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Yep. It isn't possible to keep guns out of the hands of criminals, which is why it's a bad idea to take them out of the hands of law abiding citizens.
 
Papa bull said:
Yep. It isn't possible to keep guns out of the hands of criminals, which is why it's a bad idea to take them out of the hands of law abiding citizens.
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if you make it easier for criminals to get guns, there will be a lot more Chicago created across the united states.
 
Unitedwestand13 said:
if you make it easier for criminals to get guns, there will be a lot more Chicago created across the united states.
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I don't suppose it occurred to you that a law prohibiting anyone from making 3D guns doesn't do anything to make guns harder for criminals to get, huh? Aside from that, the notion that "Chicago" was the result of gun ownership is ridiculously naive. Guns haven't made Chicago what it is. Crime has made Chicago what it is. Criminals are going to have guns just like criminals are going to have drugs. And if you can make the bloody things in your livingroom, no law is going to fix that problem. The genie is out of the bottle. That ship has already sailed. More laws aren't going to fix this.
 
RabidAlpaca said:
The days of gun control are all but a thing of the past.
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Gun control isn't really an issue now.

In fact, "gun control" is kind of a misnomer.

There's currently very little stopping you from owning any firearm under the sun.

Just ask a criminal.

Know the "right" people and you can get your hands on just about any firearm, including any Title II weapon or destructive device, you'd care to own.

The problem exists in legally using a weapon for its intended purpose (which we'll always assume to be defense).

In some states, NJ for instance, using a 9mm handgun for self defense in your own home if you haven't jumped through all the necessary hoops can land you 7 years in a state prison, mandatory, for simply possessing the firearm, even if it's a clean shoot.

Your state might be more liberal, or traditional, or "Constitutional" in its view of firearm ownership, but shoot someone with a Uzi, even in self defense, without having jumped through the necessary ATF hoops, and you're facing a a federal NFA charge even if, again, the shoot is clean in all other respects.

Which brings us to 3D printed weapons.

Sure, the technology is quickly going to put us in a place where government "control" of any weapon is thoroughly beyond the grasp of any authority.

But you go ahead and mill yourself an "illegal" (according to "the man") MG42 and then use it to "repel boarders" at a cyclic rate in a time of real need (assuming a civilian ever has any real need to rain down fully automatic belt-fed destruction) and see what that nets you.

Sure, you can always fall back on the old standby of "better to be judged by six than carried by twelve" and in principal I couldn't agree more, especially when it comes to defending wife and kids.

So long as we come to the understanding that your wife and kids are going to be outside while you ride out a decade long federal firearms rap with an "illegally 3D milled" kicker in the federal pen.

I don't know that I'd call that kind of control a "thing of the past".
 
Unitedwestand13 said:
if you make it easier for criminals to get guns, there will be a lot more Chicago created across the united states.
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... Chicago, of course, being the one single place in the United States in which it is most difficult for law-abiding citizens to arm themselves. Funny how that works.
 
JJB3333 said:
So Philadelphia has made an official ban on 3d printed guns. I get the idea that they want to know all of the guns that we own and printing our own guns is having a gun they don't know about. Now im not sure, but isn't this infringement on our constutional rights?

After all doesn't the second amendment say:
A well regulated militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the People to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed.
And by making any gun illegal they are infringing on our constitutional right to bear arms.

I know this is not going to change anything but hey why not.
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Licensing and registration are infringements as well..... gun owners compromised (big mistake). They gave an inch....... you know the rest.
 
Unitedwestand13 said:
if you make it easier for criminals to get guns, there will be a lot more Chicago created across the united states.
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I know you've already been corrected twice, but I thought I chimed in. This was an incredibly ignorant statement. They had the strictest gun control in the US for a very long time. The crime in chicago has nothing to do with "how many guns the criminals have", it has to do with the rampant poverty level there. Large crime problems are almost always a result of poverty.

mak2 said:
The whole 3D copier thing is just fascinating. I want to see one of them someday. Is there some corporation or profession that uses them a lot?
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A lot of jobs use them now. Before 3D printers, if you wanted to make something plastic you had to get an injection mold done, which can cost $3,000-10,000. That's just the cost to get the mold made, not to make any of the product. With 3D printing that's not necessary.

Now, 3D printing will probably never fully replace injection molding, however, if I wanted to make a prototype for a design I'm working on, I could design the case in CAD software then send it off to a 3D printing company and get a high quality prototype of the case back. Once we worked out all of the bugs we could then send it to full mass production.

Basically, 3D printing gives small businesses like mine the chance to compete with the bigger ones.
 
Unitedwestand13 said:
if anyone with a 3D printer can make a gun, is there a possibility that some of the people who would benefit would be gangs or thugs?
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well of course but your seeing only a very fine view of the actual picture. consider how many non-gang related people there are in america who own guns. Consider how easy it would be instead of just having to go to the store and go through days of background checks and registration and having to pay all of this money just for the gun itself and not even get the bullets, to just make a gun and attach a hand hold or a butstock to it.
 
JJB3333 said:
So Philadelphia has made an official ban on 3d printed guns. I get the idea that they want to know all of the guns that we own and printing our own guns is having a gun they don't know about. Now im not sure, but isn't this infringement on our constutional rights?

After all doesn't the second amendment say:
A well regulated militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the People to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed.
And by making any gun illegal they are infringing on our constitutional right to bear arms.

I know this is not going to change anything but hey why not.
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I have said this before in other discussions, and that is the word regulated means that this Republic (through the American public's involvement, of course.) can make laws outlawing certain guns.

I believe that plastic guns are too easy to not be found with metal detectors therefore making them dangerous in certain situations. If CCW people want their guns let them carry what they have now -- the ones made mostly of metal.
 
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