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The $1,000,000,000.00 Solution to our energy problems

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Instead of investing in companies that fail, like sooo many are right now, Battery Companies, Solar power failures...

Instead of offering "government loans"... Offer a $1,000,000,000.00 prize to the company that creates, produces and sells an alternative "green" energy solution. Make the whole thing VERY public, and give the prize TAX FREE.

Watch incentive, not politics, create magic.
 
Instead of investing in companies that fail, like sooo many are right now, Battery Companies, Solar power failures...

Instead of offering "government loans"... Offer a $1,000,000,000.00 prize to the company that creates, produces and sells an alternative "green" energy solution. Make the whole thing VERY public, and give the prize TAX FREE.

Watch incentive, not politics, create magic.

Some guys won a prize like that for inventing a skimmer that picks up a huge amount of crude oil every minute and flares it off.
 
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NPR: A new, more efficient technique for skimming spilled oil from the surface of water has won a challenge posed by the X Prize Foundation, reports Jacob McCleland for NPR. Elastec/American Marine was awarded $1 million for its oil skimmer, which operates on the simple principle that oil is attracted to plastic.

The truck-sized device consists of 64 grooved plastic disks arranged in rows, with a scraper along the top. When it’s submerged in oil and water, the disks are turned and the oil adheres to their grooved surface. The oil is then scraped off and flows into a trough that separates it from the water.

The X Prize Foundation organizes privately funded competitions to spur technological advancement; in this case, the foundation challenged companies to design a skimmer that removed oil at more than twice the industry standard rate, which had not changed for the past 20 years. Elastec succeeded in removing oil at nearly four times the standard rate.


Revolutionary oil skimmer wins X Prize - Physics Today News Picks
 
Only those with at least a few million dollars of disposable income can compete. People playing on that scale tend to eschew long shots in favor of sure things with smaller payouts. And $1b is peanuts compared to the cost of competing with the trillion dollar oil industry. If anybody came up with a viable alternative, they'd be able to hire Bill Gates to wipe their ass with million dollar bills (after bribing the federal reserve into printing million dollar bills).
 
Only those with at least a few million dollars of disposable income can compete. People playing on that scale tend to eschew long shots in favor of sure things with smaller payouts. And $1b is peanuts compared to the cost of competing with the trillion dollar oil industry. If anybody came up with a viable alternative, they'd be able to hire Bill Gates to wipe their ass with million dollar bills (after bribing the federal reserve into printing million dollar bills).

You can get money for prototypes if you have a great idea.. The real purpose of the competition and the prize is to have a stage to prove your invention to the world.
 
You can get money for prototypes if you have a great idea.. The real purpose of the competition and the prize is to have a stage to prove your invention to the world.

And I bet the oil industry would pay much much more for those prototypes than anybody else. But that's kinda moot, since I doubt the best Congress money can buy would be willing to even start such a competition.
 
Well look at that, Mr. V supports government using his taxpayer dollars to pay people to come up with something instead of letting the private company innovation do it.

How socialist.
 
And I bet the oil industry would pay much much more for those prototypes than anybody else. But that's kinda moot, since I doubt the best Congress money can buy would be willing to even start such a competition.

The X Prize Foundation is not government..
 
Instead of investing in companies that fail, like sooo many are right now, Battery Companies, Solar power failures...

Instead of offering "government loans"... Offer a $1,000,000,000.00 prize to the company that creates, produces and sells an alternative "green" energy solution. Make the whole thing VERY public, and give the prize TAX FREE.

Watch incentive, not politics, create magic.
Or more likely, watch friendship not innovation determine who gets the money.
 
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NPR: A new, more efficient technique for skimming spilled oil from the surface of water has won a challenge posed by the X Prize Foundation, reports Jacob McCleland for NPR. Elastec/American Marine was awarded $1 million for its oil skimmer, which operates on the simple principle that oil is attracted to plastic.

The truck-sized device consists of 64 grooved plastic disks arranged in rows, with a scraper along the top. When it’s submerged in oil and water, the disks are turned and the oil adheres to their grooved surface. The oil is then scraped off and flows into a trough that separates it from the water.

The X Prize Foundation organizes privately funded competitions to spur technological advancement; in this case, the foundation challenged companies to design a skimmer that removed oil at more than twice the industry standard rate, which had not changed for the past 20 years. Elastec succeeded in removing oil at nearly four times the standard rate.


Revolutionary oil skimmer wins X Prize - Physics Today News Picks

This is how it has worked successfully..............................
 
A discovery of that scale would earn at least 10 times as much for the inovator. But I don't mind the politicians providing protection in the Patent office from large corps stealing or suppressing any invention of that magnitude.
 
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A discovery of that scale would earn at least 10 times as much for the inovator. But I don't mind the politicians providing protection in the Patent office from large cops stealing or suppressing any invention of that magnitude.

10 times.. How about 500 times..

Its already been done.. See X Prize Foundation.
 
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I was a figure of speech, sort of.. :)

P.S. I meant "corps" not "cops"

You don't let an innovation like that go.. You keep it under licensure so it continued to earn money for the innovator.
 
Well look at that, Mr. V supports government using his taxpayer dollars to pay people to come up with something instead of letting the private company innovation do it.

How socialist.

Looks like Jet needs to look up the term "socialist" again, so does Randal and spud by the thanks they got.

Post again when you know what the hell your talking about, mmkay?
 
Looks like Jet needs to look up the term "socialist" again, so does Randal and spud by the thanks they got.

Post again when you know what the hell your talking about, mmkay?

I'm talking about taking my Tax Payer dollars and redistributing it to someone to do something that is clearly the private sectors job to do :lol:
 
Instead of investing in companies that fail, like sooo many are right now, Battery Companies, Solar power failures...

Instead of offering "government loans"... Offer a $1,000,000,000.00 prize to the company that creates, produces and sells an alternative "green" energy solution. Make the whole thing VERY public, and give the prize TAX FREE.

Watch incentive, not politics, create magic.

You have all those billionaires, who made their fortune off of oil, shaking in their shoes.

Can't we just use conservatives as fuel? That way, if there's ever a shortage, no one will care.
 
You have all those billionaires, who made their fortune off of oil, shaking in their shoes.

Can't we just use conservatives as fuel? That way, if there's ever a shortage, no one will care.[/QUOTE

The oil companies have invested 10s of millions with schools like Sanfor, Cal Tech, MIT to study emission reductions, increased efficiency .. Saudi Arabia has invested Millions in solar research since 1980.. and Saudi Aramco is the largest oil company in the world.
 
I'm talking about taking my Tax Payer dollars and redistributing it to someone to do something that is clearly the private sectors job to do :lol:
Add Your Star to the list of failures in understanding.
 
Instead of investing in companies that fail, like sooo many are right now, Battery Companies, Solar power failures...

Instead of offering "government loans"... Offer a $1,000,000,000.00 prize to the company that creates, produces and sells an alternative "green" energy solution. Make the whole thing VERY public, and give the prize TAX FREE.

Watch incentive, not politics, create magic.

If this worked, why couldn't we do this for everything? I mean if all you had to do was throw money at a problem then where are there any problems in the world? Do you have any other specifics over how this plan would work? I mean what do you specifically mean by "solution" replacing all foreign oil imports? All middle eastern imports? Replacing oil all together?

And heck like I said if this could work why don't we offer Pakistan a billion dollars to give us all their nukes and stop playing footsie with the Taliban under the table? Seems easy enough right?
 
If this worked, why couldn't we do this for everything? I mean if all you had to do was throw money at a problem then where are there any problems in the world? Do you have any other specifics over how this plan would work? I mean what do you specifically mean by "solution" replacing all foreign oil imports? All middle eastern imports? Replacing oil all together?

And heck like I said if this could work why don't we offer Pakistan a billion dollars to give us all their nukes and stop playing footsie with the Taliban under the table? Seems easy enough right?

Someone is being rather obtuse.

Look at the number of failed "green initiatives" following in the wake of Obama's porkulous. Why did they fail? I'm offering a far more PRODUCTIVE, and very cost effective solution that will spur growth, innovation and competition.
 
If this worked, why couldn't we do this for everything? I mean if all you had to do was throw money at a problem then where are there any problems in the world? Do you have any other specifics over how this plan would work? I mean what do you specifically mean by "solution" replacing all foreign oil imports? All middle eastern imports? Replacing oil all together?

And heck like I said if this could work why don't we offer Pakistan a billion dollars to give us all their nukes and stop playing footsie with the Taliban under the table? Seems easy enough right?

Because that would make pakistan vulnerable to blackmail and extortion from India.

I take it that you haven't bothered to read the thread .. as in X Prize Foundation????
 
Someone is being rather obtuse.

Look at the number of failed "green initiatives" following in the wake of Obama's porkulous. Why did they fail? I'm offering a far more PRODUCTIVE, and very cost effective solution that will spur growth, innovation and competition.

I'm still not even sure what your solution is, you haven't defined it very well. And yes green energy initiatives haven't always met with success, I'm not arguing that either. I'm simply thinking you haven't thought this idea out well enough as evident by the lack of detail.

Because that would make pakistan vulnerable to blackmail and extortion from India.

I take it that you haven't bothered to read the thread .. as in X Prize Foundation????

The thread was less than 2 pages long when I made my post, I've read it. And you've brought up an excellent point, I was kind of hoping someone would say "Well that's politics, its different" to which my response to that and your post is that oil is politics. Oil is just as much a commodity as it is a tool for politics, whether that's economy policy, military/defense/security policy, etc and its not something that will so simply be eliminated by a billion dollar prize. Of course I'm assuming that's what the "solution" the OP had in mind, because he hasn't defined what it is I'm going to assume he's thinking the most audacious thing because it makes my argument easier to make.

In other words what I'm saying, is oil is as critical to security for some states as Pakistan's nuclear program is to it's country's security.

Now the X-Prize foundation, it's made some headlines and certainly caught people's attention but what exactly has it changed? If we use it as a model for prize-based innovation creating change, it hasn't succeed well very so far, now maybe enough time hasn't past yet, changing something like the energy economy of the world takes some time. But if you look at the results of their prizes, none of them have so far radically altered the way the world works. For example the "Very Light Car" won 5 million dollars for achieving over 100MPGs, fantastic I'm sure some breakthroughs were made in sciences and engineering that I couldn't even understand.

However what has come of it? 5 Million dollars isn't enough to start a car company, no car company has bought the patent for the vehicle, and there's no effort to start mass producing the things. Now that was in 2010, barely over a year ago so yes I will concede that these things take time, however so far the progress doesn't look too good.

Also the technology for fuel efficiently greater than the average car already exists, so why aren't we using it?!?! The VW Bug diesel will get upwards to 70-75 MPGs if driven at the right speed(55mph) and maintained properly. The reason we all aren't driving diesel bugs, is because we'd all have to drive diesel bugs, its just that simple the culture doesn't want to accept that thing as their vehicle. Plus, who the hell wants to drive 55mph? I've got places to be.

In the end what I'm saying is, there's a whole lot more at play than simply money, the world isn't that simple.
 
You don't let an innovation like that go.. You keep it under licensure so it continued to earn money for the innovator.

Not if you were a philanthropist. ;)

But I guess the big companies will pay even $50 billion for the head of the person who will put them out of business. :roll:
 
Add Your Star to the list of failures in understanding.


Tell me where in the constitution is it outlined that one of the governments responsibilities is to pay people to create innovation, when it's clearly the free markets job...

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