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    Mississippi May Mandate Ten Commandments and Pledges to State, U.S. Flags in Schools

    This seems to be not only a violation of free speech but also freedom of religion. The SCOTUS has ruled several times on similar laws and has always found them to be un-Constitutional.

    The pledge of allegiance to the national flag is probably the least controversial aspect of the proposed law but the parts requiring teachers and student to recite before their class the Ten Commandments and the pledge to the state flag pose a few problems.

    Many in Mississippi have been trying for some time to change the state flag but so far -- no luck.
    160617151125-01-mississippi-state-flag-medium-plus-169.jpg You can see why pledging allegiance to this flag might be an issue for many Mississippians.


    Mississippi May Mandate Ten Commandments and Pledges to State, U.S. Flags in Schools

    JACKSON — Mississippi law would require schoolchildren to recite the Pledge of Allegiance and see the Ten Commandments be displayed on public-school walls under new bills in the Legislature this session, requirements that may violate the Establishment Clause of the First Amendment. One would also require Mississippi teachers to teach Mississippi's pledge glorifying the state flag, which contains the Confederate battle emblem in its canton.

    #State Rep. Credell Calhoun, D-Jackson, introduced House Bill 427, which would amend the Mississippi Constitution to mandate that public-school teachers and principals must display the Ten Commandments. It would require that school officials display the religious laws "on an appropriately framed background with minimum dimensions" of 11x14 inches in all classrooms, auditoriums, and cafeterias, alongside the motto, "In God We Trust."

    #Students would have to recite all 10 commandments within the first hour of class each morning. Any teacher or student who objects to reciting it would be excused "without penalty" from reciting the pledge.
    Yeah, that "without penalty" part would work really well
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    Re: Mississippi May Mandate Ten Commandments and Pledges to State, U.S. Flags in Schools

    Quote Originally Posted by Somerville View Post
    This seems to be not only a violation of free speech but also freedom of religion. The SCOTUS has ruled several times on similar laws and has always found them to be un-Constitutional.

    The pledge of allegiance to the national flag is probably the least controversial aspect of the proposed law but the parts requiring teachers and student to recite before their class the Ten Commandments and the pledge to the state flag pose a few problems.

    Many in Mississippi have been trying for some time to change the state flag but so far -- no luck.
    160617151125-01-mississippi-state-flag-medium-plus-169.jpg You can see why pledging allegiance to this flag might be an issue for many Mississippians.


    Yeah, that "without penalty" part would work really well
    They can mandate it all they want, they won't win.

    Funny, they are so godly, yet their state is a craphole.....where is your god?
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    Re: Mississippi May Mandate Ten Commandments and Pledges to State, U.S. Flags in Schools

    Quote Originally Posted by Somerville View Post
    This seems to be not only a violation of free speech but also freedom of religion. The SCOTUS has ruled several times on similar laws and has always found them to be un-Constitutional.

    The pledge of allegiance to the national flag is probably the least controversial aspect of the proposed law but the parts requiring teachers and student to recite before their class the Ten Commandments and the pledge to the state flag pose a few problems.

    Many in Mississippi have been trying for some time to change the state flag but so far -- no luck.
    160617151125-01-mississippi-state-flag-medium-plus-169.jpg You can see why pledging allegiance to this flag might be an issue for many Mississippians.


    Yeah, that "without penalty" part would work really well
    So okay, the United States has TWO theocratic fundamentalist empires now, Utah and Ole Miss.
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    Re: Mississippi May Mandate Ten Commandments and Pledges to State, U.S. Flags in Schools

    Quote Originally Posted by Somerville View Post
    This seems to be not only a violation of free speech but also freedom of religion. The SCOTUS has ruled several times on similar laws and has always found them to be un-Constitutional.

    The pledge of allegiance to the national flag is probably the least controversial aspect of the proposed law but the parts requiring teachers and student to recite before their class the Ten Commandments and the pledge to the state flag pose a few problems.

    Many in Mississippi have been trying for some time to change the state flag but so far -- no luck.
    160617151125-01-mississippi-state-flag-medium-plus-169.jpg You can see why pledging allegiance to this flag might be an issue for many Mississippians.

    Yeah, that "without penalty" part would work really well
    I suspect this is just posturing. We have the same thing happen in our legislature every year. Whackadoodles propose bills for all manner of complete nonsense, issue a press release, put it on their website, file it away for the next election "I STOOD FOR THE 10 COMMANDMENTS, PRAYER IN SCHOOLS!!" etc. and the legislation dies a peaceful, ignored death in committee.

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    Re: Mississippi May Mandate Ten Commandments and Pledges to State, U.S. Flags in Schools

    Let's see if the bill actually passes the MS House first, before we get all bent out of shape. Even if it does, it will have to pass the MS Senate, and then get signed by the Governor, and of course be successful in the court challenge that will surely follow.

    So far, one guy has introduced a bill in the state House. Not exactly enough for us to get all sweaty and angry about. There are state legislators in every state that introduce legislation that is ill conceived and/or unConstitutional, all the time. This is no exception.

    If by some fate the bill passes out of both chambers of the legislature and is signed into law, then I am sure it will immediately be taken to court where a federal judge will issue a stay on its enforcement, and eventually (and probably quickly) be found in conflict with the US Constitution, federal court precedent, and federal case law.

    In the mean time, if it helps to show hate toward an entire state and devout religious people as a whole, then by all means - continue.
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    Re: Mississippi May Mandate Ten Commandments and Pledges to State, U.S. Flags in Schools

    Quote Originally Posted by Somerville View Post
    This seems to be not only a violation of free speech but also freedom of religion. The SCOTUS has ruled several times on similar laws and has always found them to be un-Constitutional.

    The pledge of allegiance to the national flag is probably the least controversial aspect of the proposed law but the parts requiring teachers and student to recite before their class the Ten Commandments and the pledge to the state flag pose a few problems.

    Many in Mississippi have been trying for some time to change the state flag but so far -- no luck.
    160617151125-01-mississippi-state-flag-medium-plus-169.jpg You can see why pledging allegiance to this flag might be an issue for many Mississippians.


    Yeah, that "without penalty" part would work really well
    Pledge allegiance to a State flag? Children?
    FFS. What a bizarre nazified concept.
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    Re: Mississippi May Mandate Ten Commandments and Pledges to State, U.S. Flags in Schools

    Quote Originally Posted by Somerville View Post
    This seems to be not only a violation of free speech but also freedom of religion. The SCOTUS has ruled several times on similar laws and has always found them to be un-Constitutional.

    The pledge of allegiance to the national flag is probably the least controversial aspect of the proposed law but the parts requiring teachers and student to recite before their class the Ten Commandments and the pledge to the state flag pose a few problems.

    Many in Mississippi have been trying for some time to change the state flag but so far -- no luck.
    160617151125-01-mississippi-state-flag-medium-plus-169.jpg You can see why pledging allegiance to this flag might be an issue for many Mississippians.


    Yeah, that "without penalty" part would work really well
    The country was founded in 1776 yet here we are in 2019 with such a basic idea as this getting a "Well, it might be legal but maybe not, nobody knows because they system has not managed to get that far in deciding" is disgusting.
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    Re: Mississippi May Mandate Ten Commandments and Pledges to State, U.S. Flags in Schools

    Quote Originally Posted by Hawkeye10 View Post
    The country was founded in 1776 yet here we are in 2019 with such a basic idea as this getting a "Well, it might be legal but maybe not, nobody knows because they system has not managed to get that far in deciding" is disgusting.
    This is a bad hill to die on because the courts have consistently held that these kinds of requirements in public schools are most definitely unconstitutional. The article points this out, actually. citing USSC cases in 1980 for the 10 Commandments, and 1946 on the pledge of allegiance. So your worries were all but put to bed decades ago. What a relief!

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    Re: Mississippi May Mandate Ten Commandments and Pledges to State, U.S. Flags in Schools

    Quote Originally Posted by Somerville View Post
    This seems to be not only a violation of free speech but also freedom of religion. The SCOTUS has ruled several times on similar laws and has always found them to be un-Constitutional.

    The pledge of allegiance to the national flag is probably the least controversial aspect of the proposed law but the parts requiring teachers and student to recite before their class the Ten Commandments and the pledge to the state flag pose a few problems.

    Many in Mississippi have been trying for some time to change the state flag but so far -- no luck.
    160617151125-01-mississippi-state-flag-medium-plus-169.jpg You can see why pledging allegiance to this flag might be an issue for many Mississippians.


    Yeah, that "without penalty" part would work really well
    It's part of the national religious extremists' plan called Project Blitz.

    No, it isn't a conspiracy theory and it isn't coincidence. Dominionists have been hard at work to incrementally push their religion into government. It didn't start in Mississippi. Of course it started in the Bible Belt. Efforts similar to the brazen step being attempted in Mississippi have already made headway in Arizona, Arkansas, Alabama, Florida, Louisiana and Tennessee. Watch for it to spread across the mid-west.








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    Re: Mississippi May Mandate Ten Commandments and Pledges to State, U.S. Flags in Schools

    Quote Originally Posted by JasperL View Post
    This is a bad hill to die on because the courts have consistently held that these kinds of requirements in public schools are most definitely unconstitutional. The article points this out, actually. citing USSC cases in 1980 for the 10 Commandments, and 1946 on the pledge of allegiance. So your worries were all but put to bed decades ago. What a relief!
    So then how does this story run do you think.....are these people too dim to know that the proposals are illegal....or do they rather not care? It could be that they dont care, I watched Seattle pass a law that they knew the courts would strike...they decided that they had to "do something".
    I will never submit to the intellectual terrorists.

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