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    Re: Mississippi May Mandate Ten Commandments and Pledges to State, U.S. Flags in Schools

    Quote Originally Posted by Hawkeye10 View Post
    So then how does this story run do you think.....are these people too dim to know that the proposals are illegal....or do they rather not care? It could be that they dont care, I watched Seattle pass a law that they knew the courts would strike...they decided that they had to "do something".
    As I said in another post, they very likely know it's not legal, and don't even expect or care if it gets signed into law. They've made their statement - they stand with the 10 commandments and the pledge of allegiance! America! That's all there is.

    In Tennessee this kind of thing is as predictable as the spring. Guys with nothing better to do with their time in the legislature sitting on a back bench propose a bunch of stupid crap, send out a press release, hope the stories run locally at least, and that's the end of the legislation.

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    Re: Mississippi May Mandate Ten Commandments and Pledges to State, U.S. Flags in Schools

    Quote Originally Posted by JasperL View Post
    As I said in another post, they very likely know it's not legal, and don't even expect or care if it gets signed into law. They've made their statement - they stand with the 10 commandments and the pledge of allegiance! America! That's all there is.

    In Tennessee this kind of thing is as predictable as the spring. Guys with nothing better to do with their time in the legislature sitting on a back bench propose a bunch of stupid crap, send out a press release, hope the stories run locally at least, and that's the end of the legislation.
    Kinda like how the R House I think it was when Obama was POTUS spent hundreds upon hundreds of hours working on legislation that they knew 100% was not going anywhere, because of the desperate need to do something about ObamaCare.

    As if wasting time helped with that.
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    Re: Mississippi May Mandate Ten Commandments and Pledges to State, U.S. Flags in Schools

    Quote Originally Posted by Somerville View Post
    This seems to be not only a violation of free speech but also freedom of religion. The SCOTUS has ruled several times on similar laws and has always found them to be un-Constitutional.

    The pledge of allegiance to the national flag is probably the least controversial aspect of the proposed law but the parts requiring teachers and student to recite before their class the Ten Commandments and the pledge to the state flag pose a few problems.

    Many in Mississippi have been trying for some time to change the state flag but so far -- no luck.
    Attachment 67248415 You can see why pledging allegiance to this flag might be an issue for many Mississippians.


    Yeah, that "without penalty" part would work really well
    It makes me so sad that nutcases waste the peoples time and money on stuff like this . . .
    its way to common that this stuff is tried knowing it will just fail . .

    anyway this will never survive just another waste and show by nutters
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    Re: Mississippi May Mandate Ten Commandments and Pledges to State, U.S. Flags in Schools

    Quote Originally Posted by Beaudreaux View Post
    Let's see if the bill actually passes the MS House first, before we get all bent out of shape. Even if it does, it will have to pass the MS Senate, and then get signed by the Governor, and of course be successful in the court challenge that will surely follow.

    So far, one guy has introduced a bill in the state House. Not exactly enough for us to get all sweaty and angry about. There are state legislators in every state that introduce legislation that is ill conceived and/or unConstitutional, all the time. This is no exception.

    If by some fate the bill passes out of both chambers of the legislature and is signed into law, then I am sure it will immediately be taken to court where a federal judge will issue a stay on its enforcement, and eventually (and probably quickly) be found in conflict with the US Constitution, federal court precedent, and federal case law.

    In the mean time, if it helps to show hate toward an entire state and devout religious people as a whole, then by all means - continue.
    If you had read past the first couple paragraphs, you might have found the following
    Republican Bill Goes Further

    #While Calhoun's bill does not suggest a fine for non-compliance, another a bill authored by State Rep. William Shirley, R-Quitman, would impose a fine.

    #Shirley's bill, House Bill 172, would impose $1,500 fines on schools for instances in which they do not require teachers to have their classrooms recite the Pledge of Allegiance within the first hour of class.
    True it doesn't bring in the Ten Commandments portion of Rep. Calhoun's bill but the penalty fine does appear to violate the free speech clause in the Constitution

    Please explain how my words have shown hatred toward "devout religious people as a whole"? By posting such words, Beaudreaux, appear to be claiming that you only see certain segments of the American citizenry as "devout religious people"
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    Re: Mississippi May Mandate Ten Commandments and Pledges to State, U.S. Flags in Schools

    Some who call Mississippi home are trying to move the state into the 21st Century

    A new Mississippi flag has a surprising champion: A segregationist’s grandchild
    “And I have no doubt that every new example will succeed, as every past one has done, in shewing that religion & Govt will both exist in greater purity, the less they are mixed together.”
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    Re: Mississippi May Mandate Ten Commandments and Pledges to State, U.S. Flags in Schools

    "If there is any fixed star in our constitutional constellation, it is that no official, high or petty, can prescribe what shall be orthodox in politics, nationalism, religion, or other matters of opinion, or force citizens to confess by word or act their faith therein." West Virginia v. Barnette, 319 U.S. 624, 642 (1943).
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    Re: Mississippi May Mandate Ten Commandments and Pledges to State, U.S. Flags in Schools

    Quote Originally Posted by Somerville View Post
    If you had read past the first couple paragraphs, you might have found the following
    True it doesn't bring in the Ten Commandments portion of Rep. Calhoun's bill but the penalty fine does appear to violate the free speech clause in the Constitution

    Please explain how my words have shown hatred toward "devout religious people as a whole"? By posting such words, Beaudreaux, appear to be claiming that you only see certain segments of the American citizenry as "devout religious people"
    Sorry if you thought I was referring to you. I purposefully didn't quote anyone. My animus was based on numerous other threads and posts by numerous other members here that seem to find posting anti-religious bigotry, against religious people and their bigotry based on their religious beliefs (therein lies the irony).

    I would hope that if you had any questions about my personal feelings or beliefs dealing with religion, especially if you want to make comments about what you think I may or may not feel or believe, then please ask rather than making assumptions that are negative toward me.

    As to this particular action by this particular MS state legislator, I made my opinion clear (I thought) that it was ill conceived and unConstitutional, and that a court challenge would surely be successful that would surely follow the passing of the law (if that even happened, which I don't think it will).
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    Re: Mississippi May Mandate Ten Commandments and Pledges to State, U.S. Flags in Schools

    Quote Originally Posted by Somerville View Post
    Some who call Mississippi home are trying to move the state into the 21st Century

    A new Mississippi flag has a surprising champion: A segregationist’s grandchild
    I hope they are successful.
    Everything in your life is a reflection of a choice you have made. If you want a different result, don't blame someone else, or expect others to make a change, you should stop complaining and make a different choice. Remember, the circumstances of your birth don't determine the outcome of your life.

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