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Federal Court upholds First Amendment in BDS case in Kansas

I can't agree with that. Let's actually read the first amendment for a change.

Congress shall make no law (which is now interpreted to apply to all legislatures, not just Congress) respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof.

So there are two parts to it: 1) Congress cannot establish an official Church of the United States; and 2) the government cannot prohibit the free exercise of religion.

So tell me how baking a cake for a lesbian or gay couple (or refusing to do so) fits in with either of those two?
 
The first ten amendments preclude the federal govenment from any involvement regarding any of the amendments.
 
Good on that court, that law was absolutely violating the 1st amendment.

Does this mean that The Ark Encounter in Kentucky, that requires all employees to certify that they are true believers in the Christian god, is illegal under the terms of the US Constitution ?
 
Does this mean that The Ark Encounter in Kentucky, that requires all employees to certify that they are true believers in the Christian god, is illegal under the terms of the US Constitution ?

Why would it? What difference is it in comparison to a Chinese restaurant the requires wait-staff to be of "Chinese/oriental" heritage?
 
I can't agree with that. Let's actually read the first amendment for a change.

Congress shall make no law (which is now interpreted to apply to all legislatures, not just Congress) respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof.

So there are two parts to it: 1) Congress cannot establish an official Church of the United States; and 2) the government cannot prohibit the free exercise of religion.

So tell me how baking a cake for a lesbian or gay couple (or refusing to do so) fits in with either of those two?

Because the court for the past 150 years has interpreted an absolute right to believe as on wishes...but a restricted right to practice one's beliefs where ever and when ever one wishes.

As a society we have to figure out whose rights trump whose rights when they come into conflict with each other on public square.

In your sanctuary, your beliefs are sacrosanct. In your sanctuary you can decide what is believed and whom you choose to associate with.

In the public realm it is different.

A baker operates in the public realm. His bakery is not a sanctuary.

The court ruled in a case from the 1800s in which the Amish did not believe they should have to pay income tax based on their religious beliefs. The could said if we all picked and chose what laws to follow based on our beliefs, society would be in chaos.

The equality comes in that we all have to follow the law.
 
Because the court for the past 150 years has interpreted an absolute right to believe as on wishes...but a restricted right to practice one's beliefs where ever and when ever one wishes.

As a society we have to figure out whose rights trump whose rights when they come into conflict with each other on public square.

In your sanctuary, your beliefs are sacrosanct. In your sanctuary you can decide what is believed and whom you choose to associate with.

In the public realm it is different.

A baker operates in the public realm. His bakery is not a sanctuary.

The court ruled in a case from the 1800s in which the Amish did not believe they should have to pay income tax based on their religious beliefs. The could said if we all picked and chose what laws to follow based on our beliefs, society would be in chaos.

The equality comes in that we all have to follow the law.

And suppose the law, or its interpretation, says that you have to bake that cake?
 
And suppose the law, or its interpretation, says that you have to bake that cake?

Is one is a baker, with a company that bakes cakes...there is no need for a law for that baker to bake cakes.

the law is against the baker's choice to discriminate whom to bake a cake for.

The law says, if your going to offer cakes baked for the public, then a baker can not discriminate against a protected group.

the question before the Supreme Court soon is if ...sexual orientation can be added to the list of protected classes by the State.

Sexual orientation, being gay, is not a federally listed group of those who are protected against discrimination.
 
Is one is a baker, with a company that bakes cakes...there is no need for a law for that baker to bake cakes.

the law is against the baker's choice to discriminate whom to bake a cake for.

The law says, if your going to offer cakes baked for the public, then a baker can not discriminate against a protected group.

the question before the Supreme Court soon is if ...sexual orientation can be added to the list of protected classes by the State.

Sexual orientation, being gay, is not a federally listed group of those who are protected against discrimination.

Maybe it ought to be.
 
Does this mean that The Ark Encounter in Kentucky, that requires all employees to certify that they are true believers in the Christian god, is illegal under the terms of the US Constitution ?

Do you not understand the difference between a private company and a government entity such as a public school?
evidently you don't.
 
Does this mean that The Ark Encounter in Kentucky, that requires all employees to certify that they are true believers in the Christian god, is illegal under the terms of the US Constitution ?


depends on if the Ark Encounter in Kentucky was part of Congress. Here is an example. Marijuana usages could have allusions to religion and the moralities of religion, per se. Congress, as part of Federal, holds marijuana as 'not legal' on the Federal level. But each State can choose to have their own 'legalities' towards marijuana. Congress did not pass these State laws because they still hold marijuana as 'illegal' but they do not infringe upon the rights of States to have marijuana 'legal' in their States.

The same applies to same sex marriage. Congress did not pass a law that says same sex marriage needs to be honored in each State. They left that up to each individual State. However, for those States that do want to recognize same sex marriage rights and obligations, they are entitled to and free to. They might even be able to change 'marital' obligations if they wanted to.


The First Amendment (Amendment I) to the United States Constitution prevents Congress from making any law respecting an establishment of religion, prohibiting the free exercise of religion, or abridging the freedom of speech, the freedom of the press, the right to peaceably assemble, or to petition for a governmental redress of grievances.


Congress did not make any law respecting nor disrespecting of any establishment of religion, prohibiting the free exercise of religion or abridging of freedom of speech, or abridging the freedom of the press, or abridging the right to peaceably assemble, or abridging the petition for a government redress of grievances.


I guess, in a nut shell, each State is somewhat semi-autonomous but still under National Welfare as a whole. Semi autonomous as to its own residents but not autonomous to non residents. Jurisdictional and 'legal' laws pertaining to Courts and offenses, per se.
 
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So maybe under the First amendment, each State has the right to establish their own internal set of Law(s) pertaining to Religion and the free exercise thereof...

Which maybe Kentucky is already practicing...

'Does this mean that The Ark Encounter in Kentucky, that requires all employees to certify that they are true believers in the Christian god, is illegal under the terms of the US Constitution ?'
 
So maybe under the First amendment, each State has the right to establish their own internal set of Law(s) pertaining to Religion and the free exercise thereof...

Which maybe Kentucky is already practicing...

'Does this mean that The Ark Encounter in Kentucky, that requires all employees to certify that they are true believers in the Christian god, is illegal under the terms of the US Constitution ?'

Yeah . . . no. I absolutely don't want every state interpreting constitutional law independently. That's what the SCOTUS is for.
 
It is so very rare for AIPAC to fail in its effort to give Israel special treatment.
 
It is refreshing indeed to see a principled court stand tall for the First Amendment.

The Kansas effort to appease AIPAC has failed, good news.

Free Speech Victory:* Federal Court Strikes Down a Law that Punishes Supporters of Israel Boycott

January 31, 2018 "Information Clearing House" - A federal judge on Thursday ruled that a Kansas law designed to punish people who boycott Israel is an unconstitutional denial of free speech.


Why is Israel not liked as to the point of 'boycotting', could you share with me, please?
 
January 31, 2018 "Information Clearing House" - A federal judge on Thursday ruled that a Kansas law designed to punish people who boycott Israel is an unconstitutional denial of free speech.


Why is Israel not liked as to the point of 'boycotting', could you share with me, please?

Simply put, the Israeli government is a criminal one.

Certainly not the only criminal government in the world, but it's right up there in the top 5.

Their crimes against Gaza are well documented, and Syria too, though the US does most of the heavy lifting there on behalf of Israeli aggression.
 
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