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    Campus Insanity vs Freedom of Speech

    This is the most robust advocacy I have seen on behalf of campus free speech. It has never been more needed.

    Campus insanity versus freedom of speech

    Posted on October 21, 2017 | 220 comments
    by Judith Curry
    The aim of education is to make people think, not spare them from discomfort.– Robert Zimmer
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    Campus craziness
    In case you haven’t been following this issue, there have been some disturbing events and trends in the ivory tower. For an overview, see:


    Two particular articles motivated this post:
    Class struggle: how identity politics divided a campus. At Reed College, a freshman named Hunter Dillman who had been branded a racist after asking the organiser of a Latina student group an innocent question. He was ultimately hounded off campus.
    Take Back the Ivory Tower. Alice Dreger, author of Galileo’s Middle Finger, describes her travails as a researcher and public speaker with a non-‘politically correct’ perspective on intersex and transgendered persons. She resigned her faculty position at Northwestern University over censorship issues. Unfortunately the article is behind paywall, you can read the intro here.
    My concern is that without viewpoint diversity where everyone is heard, research and scholarship suffers. Further, students cocooning in safe spaces will be ill-prepared for dealing with the moral and political controversies and ambiguities that they will face throughout their lives. . . .

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    Re: Campus Insanity vs Freedom of Speech

    At the heart of this debate is identity politics and the culture of victimhood
    Yeppers, and it is so nice to not be so lonely out on the trail anymore as I try to get people to care about what Victim Culture has done to us, is doing to us.
    The American Left never had the right to try to control minds or conversations.... that is abuse....and it has to be over.
    Be not cruel, attempt to listen, and dont lie.....Civility Demands
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    Re: Campus Insanity vs Freedom of Speech

    Jack, aren't you nearby the college of William and Mary? What is going on there?

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    Re: Campus Insanity vs Freedom of Speech

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    Jack, aren't you nearby the college of William and Mary? What is going on there?
    I just got back from several days away. I'll have to look into it.
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    Re: Campus Insanity vs Freedom of Speech

    This whole thing is so overblown.
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    Re: Campus Insanity vs Freedom of Speech

    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Hays View Post
    I just got back from several days away. I'll have to look into it.
    You mean that you're not aware of what is or has been going on in one of the most prominent colleges in the country? Really?

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    Re: Campus Insanity vs Freedom of Speech

    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Hays View Post
    This is the most robust advocacy I have seen on behalf of campus free speech. It has never been more needed.

    Campus insanity versus freedom of speech

    Posted on October 21, 2017 | 220 comments
    by Judith Curry
    The aim of education is to make people think, not spare them from discomfort.– Robert Zimmer
    Continue reading

    The aim of education is to make people think, not spare them from discomfort.– Robert Zimmer

    Campus craziness
    In case you haven’t been following this issue, there have been some disturbing events and trends in the ivory tower. For an overview, see:


    Two particular articles motivated this post:
    Class struggle: how identity politics divided a campus. At Reed College, a freshman named Hunter Dillman who had been branded a racist after asking the organiser of a Latina student group an innocent question. He was ultimately hounded off campus.
    Take Back the Ivory Tower. Alice Dreger, author of Galileo’s Middle Finger, describes her travails as a researcher and public speaker with a non-‘politically correct’ perspective on intersex and transgendered persons. She resigned her faculty position at Northwestern University over censorship issues. Unfortunately the article is behind paywall, you can read the intro here.
    My concern is that without viewpoint diversity where everyone is heard, research and scholarship suffers. Further, students cocooning in safe spaces will be ill-prepared for dealing with the moral and political controversies and ambiguities that they will face throughout their lives. . . .

    I understand the argument for allowing white supremacists to speak - it's a freedom of speech thing, right? So when it comes to freedom of speech, why not allow the pedophiles to speak? Yes, child porn is a heinous crime...but so is segregating businesses or cities or schools on basis of race or ethnicity. So is ethnic cleansing.

    I don't have to compare it to child porn, either. How about allowing Islamic extremists giving speeches on campus calling for violent Jihad? How about allowing speeches advocating slavery?

    In other words, there are - as SCOTUS found a long time ago - limits to the freedom of speech. We must defend freedom of speech when that speech does not advocate committing felonies...but if that speech does advocate the commission of felonies, especially if the speech calls for those felonies are committed on a grand scale, then yes, it really is constitutional to refuse to allow the speech on campus...or anywhere else, for that matter.
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    Re: Campus Insanity vs Freedom of Speech

    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Hays View Post
    This is the most robust advocacy I have seen on behalf of campus free speech. It has never been more needed.

    Campus insanity versus freedom of speech

    Posted on October 21, 2017 | 220 comments
    by Judith Curry
    The aim of education is to make people think, not spare them from discomfort.– Robert Zimmer
    Continue reading

    The aim of education is to make people think, not spare them from discomfort.– Robert Zimmer

    Campus craziness
    In case you haven’t been following this issue, there have been some disturbing events and trends in the ivory tower. For an overview, see:


    Two particular articles motivated this post:
    Class struggle: how identity politics divided a campus. At Reed College, a freshman named Hunter Dillman who had been branded a racist after asking the organiser of a Latina student group an innocent question. He was ultimately hounded off campus.
    Take Back the Ivory Tower. Alice Dreger, author of Galileo’s Middle Finger, describes her travails as a researcher and public speaker with a non-‘politically correct’ perspective on intersex and transgendered persons. She resigned her faculty position at Northwestern University over censorship issues. Unfortunately the article is behind paywall, you can read the intro here.
    My concern is that without viewpoint diversity where everyone is heard, research and scholarship suffers. Further, students cocooning in safe spaces will be ill-prepared for dealing with the moral and political controversies and ambiguities that they will face throughout their lives. . . .

    Meh. It's more of a RW meme that doesn't really hold up to scrutiny on the macro level.

    https://www.nytimes.com/2017/08/14/o...ing-media.html
    https://www.newstatesman.com/politic...t-wing-fantasy
    https://www.theguardian.com/commenti...dom-expression
    https://newrepublic.com/article/1394...chamber-campus
    https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/...=.f412b3070e37

    It's a great way to keep the base fired up and sucker more rubes by citing handfuls of extreme examples that aren't representative of the whole, but hey, who cares? It beats an honest argument.
    Well, he see this one particularly hot chick and not does she bag he slackjawed, but he lets a "Whoa" slip out

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    Re: Campus Insanity vs Freedom of Speech

    Quote Originally Posted by Parrish View Post
    You mean that you're not aware of what is or has been going on in one of the most prominent colleges in the country? Really?
    This?

    Suspect arrested after bomb blast in Williamsburg, Va. - The Washington Post
    [COLOR=rgba(0, 0, 0, 0.870588)]Washington Post › local › 2017/10/21[/COLOR]


    [COLOR=rgba(0, 0, 0, 0.870588)][COLOR=rgba(0, 0, 0, 0.541176)]3 days ago · [/COLOR]A homemade bomb was detonated Thursday in the heart of Williamsburg, Va., near both the College of William & Mary and Colonial Williamsburg. Police arrested a suspect, who was charged with committing an act of terrorism, the city said Friday night. ... Deb Cheeseboro, the college's police chief said no one was injured.[/COLOR]
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    Re: Campus Insanity vs Freedom of Speech

    Quote Originally Posted by Your Star View Post
    This whole thing is so overblown.
    Considering how bad the national conversation has gotten: NO

    We cant even talk to each other anymore, the bare minimum in civilization, because the University has totally failed.
    The American Left never had the right to try to control minds or conversations.... that is abuse....and it has to be over.
    Be not cruel, attempt to listen, and dont lie.....Civility Demands
    QUALITY MATTERS!

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