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    Re: Campus Insanity vs Freedom of Speech

    Quote Originally Posted by Captain Adverse View Post
    A list of false equivalencies.

    Pedophiles do have freedom of speech, what they don't have is the freedom to act to harm anyone.

    Child porn is not free expression, as the children are not capable of informed consent (like adult porn stars) and are being exploited, often through fear, coercion, bribery, or deceit.

    Islamist's can speak in the name of jihad, the speech is only restricted if the crowd being spoken to is actually incited.

    No one stopped Madonna saying she "thought about" blowing up the White House.

    The difference between speech/expression and actual violence is the key.

    Hate speech should be protected, because the idea behind censorship can be extended to ANY speech as long as enough people decide it is "Hate speech."
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    Re: Campus Insanity vs Freedom of Speech

    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Hays View Post
    This is the most robust advocacy I have seen on behalf of campus free speech. It has never been more needed.

    Campus insanity versus freedom of speech

    Posted on October 21, 2017 | 220 comments
    by Judith Curry
    The aim of education is to make people think, not spare them from discomfort.– Robert Zimmer
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    The aim of education is to make people think, not spare them from discomfort.– Robert Zimmer

    Campus craziness
    In case you haven’t been following this issue, there have been some disturbing events and trends in the ivory tower. For an overview, see:


    Two particular articles motivated this post:
    Class struggle: how identity politics divided a campus. At Reed College, a freshman named Hunter Dillman who had been branded a racist after asking the organiser of a Latina student group an innocent question. He was ultimately hounded off campus.
    Take Back the Ivory Tower. Alice Dreger, author of Galileo’s Middle Finger, describes her travails as a researcher and public speaker with a non-‘politically correct’ perspective on intersex and transgendered persons. She resigned her faculty position at Northwestern University over censorship issues. Unfortunately the article is behind paywall, you can read the intro here.
    My concern is that without viewpoint diversity where everyone is heard, research and scholarship suffers. Further, students cocooning in safe spaces will be ill-prepared for dealing with the moral and political controversies and ambiguities that they will face throughout their lives. . . .

    Bravo. I wish I wrote it. But since I didn't next time I'm in Chicago I'll buy University of Chicago President Zimmer a beer. Or more likely have one in his honor.
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    Re: Campus Insanity vs Freedom of Speech

    Quote Originally Posted by Your Star View Post
    This whole thing is so overblown.
    I have a niece in Wellsley and another in Georgetown. If they're any indication it's far from overblown. Though my own daughter - who is thankfully going to be a research scientist - speaks her mind and doesn't care if people don't like what she says. She takes after her father.
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    Re: Campus Insanity vs Freedom of Speech

    Professors like me can’t stay silent about this extremist moment on campuses


    In dealing with differing points of view, nuance is not oppression.





    • Lucía Martínez Valdivia


    At Reed College in Oregon, where I work, a group of students began protesting the required first-year humanities course a year ago. Three times a week, students sat in the lecture space holding signs — many too obscene to be printed here — condemning the course and its faculty as white supremacists, as anti-black, as not open to dialogue and criticism, on the grounds that we continue to teach, among many other things, Aristotle and Plato.
    In the interest of supporting dissent and the free exchange of ideas, the faculty and administration allowed this. Those who felt able to do so lectured surrounded by those signs for the better part of a year. I lectured, but dealt with physical anxiety — lack of sleep, nausea, loss of appetite, inability to focus — in the weeks leading up to my lecture. Instead of walking around or standing at the lectern, as I typically do, I sat as I tried to teach students how to read the poetry of Sappho. Inadvertently, I spoke more quietly, more timidly. . . . .



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