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    Re: Campus Insanity vs Freedom of Speech

    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Hays View Post
    You'll have to be more specific.
    Okay. Asking really simply. What is going on at the College of William and Mary. Anything from your post?

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    Re: Campus Insanity vs Freedom of Speech

    Quote Originally Posted by Parrish View Post
    Okay. Asking really simply. What is going on at the College of William and Mary. Anything from your post?
    Not that I'm aware of. I don't follow W&M activities that closely.
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    Re: Campus Insanity vs Freedom of Speech

    Quote Originally Posted by Harshaw View Post
    Your constitutional analysis is incorrect. You can talk about and even advocate illegal activity all you want. The only permitted limit is speech that is likely to incite imminent lawless action, and that is narrowly construed to err on the side of free speech.

    In any case, why is the "progressive" first instinct when it comes to these things so often to try to limit free speech? Or any other right, for that matter?
    Okay, I read up on it and you're right and I am wrong. Thanks for the correction. I'm not eager to admit that I'm wrong, but I think it's dishonorable to not admit when one is in obvious error. I also believe in thanking the person who corrected me, for he has helped me remove some of my ignorance. So again, thank you!

    That being said, one wonders if those on the Right who want white supremacists to be able to make speeches on campus are as courageous when it comes to allowing the burning of the American flag.
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    Re: Campus Insanity vs Freedom of Speech

    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Hays View Post
    You'll have to be more specific.
    Never mind - Harshaw up in #14 just rhetorically bitch-slapped me, and I had to issue a mea culpa.

    Sigh....
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    Re: Campus Insanity vs Freedom of Speech

    Quote Originally Posted by Glen Contrarian View Post
    I understand the argument for allowing white supremacists to speak - it's a freedom of speech thing, right? So when it comes to freedom of speech, why not allow the pedophiles to speak? Yes, child porn is a heinous crime...but so is segregating businesses or cities or schools on basis of race or ethnicity. So is ethnic cleansing.

    I don't have to compare it to child porn, either. How about allowing Islamic extremists giving speeches on campus calling for violent Jihad? How about allowing speeches advocating slavery?

    In other words, there are - as SCOTUS found a long time ago - limits to the freedom of speech. We must defend freedom of speech when that speech does not advocate committing felonies...but if that speech does advocate the commission of felonies, especially if the speech calls for those felonies are committed on a grand scale, then yes, it really is constitutional to refuse to allow the speech on campus...or anywhere else, for that matter.
    So the cutoff line is felony? I guess pro legalization of marijuana advocates should have their speech rights rescinded? After all, selling weed is a felony.
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    Re: Campus Insanity vs Freedom of Speech

    Quote Originally Posted by Glen Contrarian View Post
    Okay, I read up on it and you're right and I am wrong. Thanks for the correction. I'm not eager to admit that I'm wrong, but I think it's dishonorable to not admit when one is in obvious error. I also believe in thanking the person who corrected me, for he has helped me remove some of my ignorance. So again, thank you!

    That being said, one wonders if those on the Right who want white supremacists to be able to make speeches on campus are as courageous when it comes to allowing the burning of the American flag.
    Nice. Good show.

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    Re: Campus Insanity vs Freedom of Speech

    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Hays View Post
    Not that I'm aware of. I don't follow W&M activities that closely.
    How odd.

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    Re: Campus Insanity vs Freedom of Speech

    Quote Originally Posted by Luftwaffe View Post
    So the cutoff line is felony? I guess pro legalization of marijuana advocates should have their speech rights rescinded? After all, selling weed is a felony.
    Check #23 - I already admitted I was wrong.
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    Re: Campus Insanity vs Freedom of Speech

    Quote Originally Posted by Glen Contrarian View Post
    I understand the argument for allowing white supremacists to speak - it's a freedom of speech thing, right? So when it comes to freedom of speech, why not allow the pedophiles to speak? Yes, child porn is a heinous crime...but so is segregating businesses or cities or schools on basis of race or ethnicity. So is ethnic cleansing.

    I don't have to compare it to child porn, either. How about allowing Islamic extremists giving speeches on campus calling for violent Jihad? How about allowing speeches advocating slavery?

    In other words, there are - as SCOTUS found a long time ago - limits to the freedom of speech. We must defend freedom of speech when that speech does not advocate committing felonies...but if that speech does advocate the commission of felonies, especially if the speech calls for those felonies are committed on a grand scale, then yes, it really is constitutional to refuse to allow the speech on campus...or anywhere else, for that matter.
    A list of false equivalencies.

    Pedophiles do have freedom of speech, what they don't have is the freedom to act to harm anyone.

    Child porn is not free expression, as the children are not capable of informed consent (like adult porn stars) and are being exploited, often through fear, coercion, bribery, or deceit.

    Islamist's can speak in the name of jihad, the speech is only restricted if the crowd being spoken to is actually incited.

    No one stopped Madonna saying she "thought about" blowing up the White House.

    The difference between speech/expression and actual violence is the key.

    Hate speech should be protected, because the idea behind censorship can be extended to ANY speech as long as enough people decide it is "Hate speech."
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    Re: Campus Insanity vs Freedom of Speech

    Quote Originally Posted by Parrish View Post
    You mean that you're not aware of what is or has been going on in one of the most prominent colleges in the country? Really?
    Correct. I have no idea what is happening there...
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