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AntiFa and Freedom of Speech from the Horse's Mouth

Here is an interesting article that makes the case that Antifa is increasingly becoming a problem for the non-violent left-wing demonstrators.

'Antifa' violence in Berkeley spurs soul-searching within leftist activist community - LA Times

When it reaches an unacceptable point...and it will...those peaceful lefties will be forced to forget about asking Antifa to be nice and they'll have to just kick Antifa's ass to protect themselves. So it goes...

And yet, as you guys fight each other, none of the problems get solved... Sometimes when I put my tinfoil thinking cap on, I can imagine a reality where the Nazis and AntiFa are both on the government payroll, to keep the rest of you pointing fingers at each other instead of holding your government accountable for the shady stuff they're engaged in.
 
You think that's a joke, but it was an accurate reflection of the Food forum until Militant Vegan finally got himself banned.

lol...good grief, hadn't seen that go down... Those Vegans are such Nazi Commie Anarchists!! haha ;)
 
That's a really cruel thing to say about Nazis and Antifa, and I don't believe their behavior is anywhere near as bad as the **** vegans pull.

You are absolutely right, I retract my statement without reservation, **** vegans! lol ... :)
 
You are absolutely right, I retract my statement without reservation, **** vegans! lol ... :)

Someone should eat them. That's what they get for being such se pmkf-righteous wankers. "Ooh, look at me, I'm too good to be on the top of the food chain! Yibbideedee!" Back to the bottom with you, then.
 
With all the discussion around AntiFa and their opposition to "Freedom of Speech", I figured it might be fun to post what AntiFa is saying. This is from their website, which I checked out thanks to one of our Right leaning friends here at DP.

https://itsgoingdown.org/liberal-myth-free-speech/

Now, before this turns into a giant "**** YOU, NATE!!!", I will lead out by saying that I am not specifically condoning, endorsing, or defending anything herein, this was merely to provide context for those interested in knowing where AntiFa stands, so as to avoid talking out one's ass about things they don't really totally know about.

That said, the author makes some pretty damn good points, and it would be interesting to see it debated, if we can avoid this turning into 50 pages of "AntiFa sucks, **** you!!" "No, Nazis suck, **** you!!" "No, the Left sucks, **** you!!" "No, the Right sucks, **** you!!".

I think his contention that there is no free speech in this country ludicrous. I'll agree that poor and uneducated may not have the same access to the tools that allow for wide dissemination of speech but that is hardly the same thing as saying that there is no free speech in practice. As well his conflating of speech with with police shootings of minorities is utterly senseless.
 
And yet, as you guys fight each other, none of the problems get solved... Sometimes when I put my tinfoil thinking cap on, I can imagine a reality where the Nazis and AntiFa are both on the government payroll, to keep the rest of you pointing fingers at each other instead of holding your government accountable for the shady stuff they're engaged in.

It's not really Nazis and AntiFa, it's Republicans and Democrats and that is pretty much exactly their game as it stands now.
 
I think his contention that there is no free speech in this country ludicrous. I'll agree that poor and uneducated may not have the same access to the tools that allow for wide dissemination of speech but that is hardly the same thing as saying that there is no free speech in practice. As well his conflating of speech with with police shootings of minorities is utterly senseless.

I would agree, the messaging, despite being smart and hitting on some serious issues, does lack the maturity demonstrated by acknowledging that there are no binaries. But I would say that the poor and uneducated not having access to the tools that allow for wide dissemination of speech is problematic, because it allows those who benefit from keeping those people poor and uneducated to control the dialog and prevent a change to the status quo. Showing up with masks and aerosol can flame throwers isn't going to fix that, but until we figure out how to fix that, people with masks and aerosol can flame throwers are going to continue to show up.
 
With all the discussion around AntiFa and their opposition to "Freedom of Speech", I figured it might be fun to post what AntiFa is saying. This is from their website, which I checked out thanks to one of our Right leaning friends here at DP.

https://itsgoingdown.org/liberal-myth-free-speech/

Now, before this turns into a giant "**** YOU, NATE!!!", I will lead out by saying that I am not specifically condoning, endorsing, or defending anything herein, this was merely to provide context for those interested in knowing where AntiFa stands, so as to avoid talking out one's ass about things they don't really totally know about.

That said, the author makes some pretty damn good points, and it would be interesting to see it debated, if we can avoid this turning into 50 pages of "AntiFa sucks, **** you!!" "No, Nazis suck, **** you!!" "No, the Left sucks, **** you!!" "No, the Right sucks, **** you!!".

A staggeringly dishonest missive, starting from sentence one.
 
It's not really Nazis and AntiFa, it's Republicans and Democrats and that is pretty much exactly their game as it stands now.

Well, yes, both sides (Rep and Dem parties) will benefit from this division - at this point it looks like the Dems more than the GOP will benefit, based on how the numbers are lining up, but ya, politicians and news media, those are the only ones benefitting from this never ending battle royale...and if I were as shady as they are, and I could figure out how to do it under the radar, I would pay whatever I need to in order to keep it going, because the ROI is just so delish.
 
Well..start with the fact that they cite the 'American' right to free speech (which makes sense if you are talking about Antifa in America) yet post as their picture a bloodied individual who appears to be in Greece...with absolutely no foundation of how he actually became bloodied...and it gives you a pretty good idea as to the overall credibility of what is to come in their article.

They are a global anarchist organization. It would be interesting to see who provides their funding.

And lets be honest. ANYONE stupid enough to support communism as a means of government while claiming to oppose fascism? Stupid beyond words.
 
And yet, as you guys fight each other, none of the problems get solved... Sometimes when I put my tinfoil thinking cap on, I can imagine a reality where the Nazis and AntiFa are both on the government payroll, to keep the rest of you pointing fingers at each other instead of holding your government accountable for the shady stuff they're engaged in.

"you guys"??

Take your crap and shove it. I've been very clear and have stated often that I condemn all of those violent, bigoted, hateful groups...just like Trump did.

Antifa is your problem.
 
:lamo

Knock Knock ..

Who's there ....

Antifa!

Again?
 
Well, yes, both sides (Rep and Dem parties) will benefit from this division - at this point it looks like the Dems more than the GOP will benefit, based on how the numbers are lining up, but ya, politicians and news media, those are the only ones benefitting from this never ending battle royale...and if I were as shady as they are, and I could figure out how to do it under the radar, I would pay whatever I need to in order to keep it going, because the ROI is just so delish.

You start rigging campaign finance reforms and restricting participation in debates to just the Main Party. You allow corporate dollars to flow into the Party's coffers, limit what the People can do, convince them that there is no other choice but the Party, and when you offer up crap after crap choices for office, the supporters of either side of the Party will start getting pissed. But there's nothing they can really do to exert control because they've effectively been frozen out, so they start pointing fingers at the other side and complaining about how bad that is. Roll that through a few elections, and either side of the Party cannot stand the other, political discourse falls apart, everything is cast into the most extreme hyperpartisan terms.

Meanwhile, the Party can reap all the spoils of Corporate Sponsorship, expand the State, maintain its Infinity War. Both sides of the Party pretend just enough to be separate, and continue to sell the propaganda that one has no choice but to support the Party. Their power is secured, their money flows nonstop, the Corporate-State is established, and the People lose control. You end up with a new Aristocracy.

And that's how you accomplish it "under the radar".
 
"you guys"??

Take your crap and shove it. I've been very clear and have stated often that I condemn all of those violent, bigoted, hateful groups...just like Trump did.

Antifa is your problem.

Well, that escalated quickly... By you guys, I simply meant Americans. I'm Canadian. Simmer down.
 
Well, that escalated quickly... By you guys, I simply meant Americans. I'm Canadian. Simmer down.

Well, don't get complacent or condescending while you hang out way up north. Seems you have your own Nazi/Antifa problems.

https://www.facebook.com/ANTIFACANADA/

And remember...they don't like liberals, either.
 
Well, don't get complacent or condescending while you hang out way up north. Seems you have your own Nazi/Antifa problems.

https://www.facebook.com/ANTIFACANADA/

And remember...they don't like liberals, either.

Ugh, can't look at Facebook links where I'm at, but I know we have our issues up here with both fringes - fringe-ism seems be contagious, apparently. And I think we can agree that despite not agreeing on much, certainly our fringes are equally problematic, regardless to whom they belong, they are all our (to use more friendly terminology) problem.

But more than that, the reasons why they exist at all are our problem as well...that's the part you can't skip, if you're concerned with not being complacent.

And sorry if I came off as condescending, sometimes I do that without meaning to, I try hard not to, but sometimes, especially when people think they need to be pissed at me by default, I do come off that way. hehe...and here I thought you and I were having a civil conversation for once. ;)
 
This is from their website, which I checked out thanks to one of our Right leaning friends here at DP.

This is from A website that reposts content from anonymous sources. They do not specifically endorse any broad message. This site is like the op-ed pages of a news paper. Claiming any individual op-ed piece from some random reader is in fact the position of the site would be like assuming that a random citizen's letter to the editor is the view of the local paper.

Nazis are evil. We know this. All of them. There exists no scenario where Nazi and or Fascist ideas should ever be allowed to rise to power or considered legitimate in this country. Freedom of Speech exists so that all ideas can be heard so that we do not miss out on potentially good ideas because people are afraid to speak them. Freedom of speech is kind of like brainstorming. The first rule of brainstorming is that there are no bad ideas. We say this because we don't want someone keeping a potentially good idea to themselves out of fear of criticism.

That's all well and good, but let's be realistic here for a second. Fascism and white supremacy are not new or original ideas. We're not rejecting them because we just don't understand them fully. We're not waking up tomorrow, and saying to ourselves....."oh well when you put it that way I can see how the extermination of the Jews and the enslavement of colored people isn't a bad idea." That's not a thing that's happening, and if it does we're all doomed as a country. There is really no question whatsoever that this country, and this planet will be a better place when Nazi Scum and White Supremacist **** heads are either gone entirely or at the very least relegated to the deepest darkest shadows where we don't have to look at them. While the government itself may not take legal action against these disgusting pieces of ****, I have no issues with every day citizens making it known to them that they are not now nor will they ever be welcome here in America, and if a Nazi gets a little booboo along the way I'm not particularly concerned about it.
 
Antifa is a violent anarchist group. These are the same people that start fires and break windows in Europe whenever there is summit meeting of some sort. They want an end to government and, in the case of the U.S., they want an end to this country. They use violence and intimidation to further their agenda. I hate to tell you but what they write in a web site is meaningless. They are dangerous and criminal, not for what they believe or say but for what they do. They appear to be far more violent than the Nazis - another dangerous and criminal group. There is no point in reading whitewash on a web site. I'm surprised you suggested anyone read it unless you are trying to further their agenda.
 
Antifa is a violent anarchist group. These are the same people that start fires and break windows in Europe whenever there is summit meeting of some sort. They want an end to government and, in the case of the U.S., they want an end to this country. They use violence and intimidation to further their agenda. I hate to tell you but what they write in a web site is meaningless. They are dangerous and criminal, not for what they believe or say but for what they do. They appear to be far more violent than the Nazis - another dangerous and criminal group. There is no point in reading whitewash on a web site. I'm surprised you suggested anyone read it unless you are trying to further their agenda.

Why? I mean, people on here talk about AntiFa all the time...doesn't it behoove people to know exactly what they are talking about? I mean, you can't fix a problem until you understand it...just standing around with your arms crossed saying "AntiFa are dicks!" isn't really fixing anything, is it?
 
With all the discussion around AntiFa and their opposition to "Freedom of Speech", I figured it might be fun to post what AntiFa is saying. This is from their website, which I checked out thanks to one of our Right leaning friends here at DP.

https://itsgoingdown.org/liberal-myth-free-speech/

Now, before this turns into a giant "**** YOU, NATE!!!", I will lead out by saying that I am not specifically condoning, endorsing, or defending anything herein, this was merely to provide context for those interested in knowing where AntiFa stands, so as to avoid talking out one's ass about things they don't really totally know about.

That said, the author makes some pretty damn good points, and it would be interesting to see it debated, if we can avoid this turning into 50 pages of "AntiFa sucks, **** you!!" "No, Nazis suck, **** you!!" "No, the Left sucks, **** you!!" "No, the Right sucks, **** you!!".





yes the author of this one antifa group is a fascist. this isn't "antifa's website" this is one antifa group's website. He's whining about left wing pet peeves and calling it "not free speech". how intellectual, how deep.
 
Antifa is a violent anarchist group. These are the same people that start fires and break windows in Europe whenever there is summit meeting of some sort. They want an end to government and, in the case of the U.S., they want an end to this country. They use violence and intimidation to further their agenda. I hate to tell you but what they write in a web site is meaningless. They are dangerous and criminal, not for what they believe or say but for what they do. They appear to be far more violent than the Nazis - another dangerous and criminal group. There is no point in reading whitewash on a web site. I'm surprised you suggested anyone read it unless you are trying to further their agenda.



Communist they are communists and anarchist, but mostly communists. this is what the two flags represent of this terrorist group.
 
Why? I mean, people on here talk about AntiFa all the time...doesn't it behoove people to know exactly what they are talking about? I mean, you can't fix a problem until you understand it...just standing around with your arms crossed saying "AntiFa are dicks!" isn't really fixing anything, is it?

Neither is reading what they write.
 
Neither is reading what they write.

Of course it does...it helps to understand why they exist, and what they want. Why learn anything then? lol... This feels like the debate equivalent of a pout. :)
 
Of course it does...it helps to understand why they exist, and what they want. Why learn anything then? lol... This feels like the debate equivalent of a pout. :)

Gee. Sorry I don't do things like you do. I'm convinced you'll get over it.
 
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