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Free Speech and Nazi Doctrine

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ANTFA ~ ANTI First Amendment

Yeah, well, here's the thing And I'm not defending those jackasses who call themselves 'antifa'. The 1st. amendment says, "Congress shall make no laws..." It doesn't say that everyone has to let everyone speak. If you're on a soapbox in the park talking to a crowd and I shout you down, tell you your opinion is a pile of crap and you're just a gasbag, and I shout louder every time you open your mouth, I'm not infringing on your right. I'm expressing mine.
Way it was explained to me, those constitutional amendments aren't there to give you rights, they're there to limit the powers of the federal government. Which means if you want to hold a rally, with a couple speakers, and the city decides the extra policing isn't worth the aggravation and denies you a permit, your right to free speach hasn't been infringed on. Because if you need a permit it's not a right, it's a privilege.
What I'm getting at is, the first just says the feds can't stop you expressing what you think. It doesn't prevent me doing what I can to shut you up, if what you say pisses me off enough. That's just how free speech works.
 
Nazi doctrine calls for the extermination of Jews and other people deemed "lesser" by White Supremacists. IMO, such speech should not be legal in the US. Period.

There's so much confusion in this post.

What is "Nazi doctrine"? Are white supremacists Nazis? Are Nazi's white supremacists? What specific piece of doctrine are you even referring to? Can you provide quotes and links to source texts?
 
There's so much confusion in this post.

What is "Nazi doctrine"? Are white supremacists Nazis? Are Nazi's white supremacists? What specific piece of doctrine are you even referring to? Can you provide quotes and links to source texts?

So...you just joined the forum, and not only is this your first post, but my post from over 3 months ago is the first post you were moved to reply to. :roll:
 
So...you just joined the forum, and not only is this your first post, but my post from over 3 months ago is the first post you were moved to reply to. :roll:

Yes, that is exactly what has happened...And?...This is a debating forum, right? The purpose of which is debate? Is there a rule about participating in debates three months after they were initially posted?
 
So...you just joined the forum, and not only is this your first post, but my post from over 3 months ago is the first post you were moved to reply to. :roll:

Btw, you haven't answered any of my questions.
 
Btw, you haven't answered any of my questions.

Ahhh. You're a fan of August Kubizek ... Hitlers teenage friend (Adolf Hitler, My Childhood Friend/1953).

Such a surprise that you would initially jump into a thread that has 'Nazi Doctrine' in the title. No, not really a surprise. A given.
 
Ahhh. You're a fan of August Kubizek ... Hitlers teenage friend (Adolf Hitler, My Childhood Friend/1953).

Such a surprise that you would initially jump into a thread that has 'Nazi Doctrine' in the title. No, not really a surprise. A given.

Well, I created my account so that I could participate specifically in this thread and the fascism right/left thread. So it shouldn't be a surprise at all, no.

I don't really understand that Kubizek reference.
 
And, I probably never will.

There's one thing fighting national socialists and white supremacists to deny them a platform of speech. Personally I would encourage all anti-Nazis to engage us in violence, it's probably the most honest thing that you people could do. But it's an entirely different thing if you disregard the integrity of your own political statements. If you want to convince people of your arguments, at least have the courage to be truthful.
 
Nazi doctrine calls for the extermination of Jews and other people deemed "lesser" by White Supremacists. IMO, such speech should not be legal in the US. Period.

IF they actively call for the extermination of jews or other "lesser" people, then that should/could be dealt with in terms of laws regarding inciting violence or other such things if it warrants it.

However, the laws should not be focused around being thought police, nor should it ascribe words or statements to someone that hasn't said them. There are religious doctrine that call for the death of various peoples as well, yet unless said calls are actually articulated by someone and in a way that is inciting violence, then all of that religion should not be silenced.
 
There's one thing fighting national socialists and white supremacists to deny them a platform of speech. Personally I would encourage all anti-Nazis to engage us in violence, it's probably the most honest thing that you people could do. But it's an entirely different thing if you disregard the integrity of your own political statements. If you want to convince people of your arguments, at least have the courage to be truthful.

Why bother? You're mind is made up. As is mine.
 
Why bother? You're mind is made up. As is mine.

I'm not entirely sure what you're talking about. I'm not trying to convince you to become a national socialist. I've asked you some questions and you've refused to answer them. This isn't about opinion, it's about establishing facts. From your opening post, you don't appear to really know what you're talking about. You use Nazi and white supremacist interchangeably and they're not the same thing. When you say Nazi, who are referring to? When you say white supremacists, who are you referring to? You accuse "Nazi" doctrine of calling for the extermination of Jews but then refuse to provide source texts for this assertion.

You are yet to actually establish what your opinion is, so how you can be "made up" about it is beyond me.
 
I'm not entirely sure what you're talking about. I'm not trying to convince you to become a national socialist. I've asked you some questions and you've refused to answer them. This isn't about opinion, it's about establishing facts. From your opening post, you don't appear to really know what you're talking about. You use Nazi and white supremacist interchangeably and they're not the same thing. When you say Nazi, who are referring to? When you say white supremacists, who are you referring to? You accuse "Nazi" doctrine of calling for the extermination of Jews but then refuse to provide source texts for this assertion.

You are yet to actually establish what your opinion is, so how you can be "made up" about it is beyond me.

White supremacist and Nazi is interchangeable. I have yet to meet me a KKK'er who loves him a Jew. And, I certainly never met a Nazi who likes Blacks, Asians or Latinos. See my point?

Probably not. Hence, my reason for not really wanting to talk to you.
 
White supremacist and Nazi is interchangeable. I have yet to meet me a KKK'er who loves him a Jew. And, I certainly never met a Nazi who likes Blacks, Asians or Latinos. See my point?


Probably not. Hence, my reason for not really wanting to talk to you.



Engaging with them is to grant them a spurious legitimacy.
 
White supremacist and Nazi is interchangeable. I have yet to meet me a KKK'er who loves him a Jew. And, I certainly never met a Nazi who likes Blacks, Asians or Latinos. See my point?

You really need to read a book.

The notion of the supremacy of the white race is a complete aberration. What is "the white race"? Most white supremacists include slavic people in this definition. Classical national socialists would not. Some neo-Nazis do, but then some white supremacists include JEWS in their definition of "whiteness." Some national socialists tolerate homosexuals, while most neo-Nazis do not. Then there are white nationalists who believe that races should be separated but equal, while other white nationalists are ALSO white supremacists who believe that the white race (predicated entirely on the colour of their skin) should be preserved above all other races but that other races can live elsewhere if they want to.

As a classical national socialist, I don't believe in "white supremacy" so are you saying I'm entitled to free speech since I'm not a white supremacist?

Probably not. Hence, my reason for not really wanting to talk to you.

I'm beyond understanding because you're making no sense, it has nothing to do with me being a national socialist.
 
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Well, I created my account so that I could participate specifically in this thread and the fascism right/left thread. So it shouldn't be a surprise at all, no.

I don't really understand that Kubizek reference.

August Kubizek is your avatar.
 
Nazi doctrine calls for the extermination of Jews and other people deemed "lesser" by White Supremacists. IMO, such speech should not be legal in the US. Period.

Nonsense. All speech is free, BUT, not all speech is equal.

We only need to engage in the most constitutional speech possible. Do you have a clue what that is?
 
Nazi doctrine calls for the extermination of Jews and other people deemed "lesser" by White Supremacists. IMO, such speech should not be legal in the US. Period.

Dont put rhe cart before the horse. You will need to go thru the amendment process to accomplish such a feat. The instructions are in the Constitution.

Good luck changing the first, you will need it.
 
Dont put rhe cart before the horse. You will need to go thru the amendment process to accomplish such a feat. The instructions are in the Constitution.

Good luck changing the first, you will need it.
No need to per the premise in the op
 
A teen is charged with killing his girlfriend’s parents. They had worried he was a neo-Nazi.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/amphtml/local/public-safety/teen-charged-with-killing-girlfriends-parents-they-had-worried-he-was-a-neo-nazi/2017/12/23/e2102894-e761-11e7-833f-155031558ff4_story.html

Buckley Kuhn-Fricker was so disturbed by what she discovered about her teenage daughter's boyfriend that she spent a tumultuous week pushing for a breakup. By Thursday, she texted a friend saying the "outspoken Neo Nazi" was out of their lives.

But just hours later, the family said that the 17-year-old boyfriend had shot and killed Kuhn-Fricker, 43, and her husband, Scott, 48, in their Reston, Va., home. It happened around 5 a.m. Friday, while the couple's children and relatives were inside. They had gathered to celebrate the Christmas holiday.

The teen, who shot himself and is in critical condition at a hospital, was charged with two counts of murder Saturday after police spent Friday investigating at the large, single-family home decorated with Christmas wreaths and snowflakes.
 
They had gathered to celebrate the Christmas holiday.

after police spent Friday investigating at the large, single-family home decorated with Christmas wreaths and snowflakes.

Mom had spent all week decorating and had made special ornamentals that highlighted the large Scotch Pine the family had nurtured from a seedling.

The "media".
 
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