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    Re: Free Speech and Nazi Doctrine

    Quote Originally Posted by calamity View Post
    They are promoting violence though.
    Its still just words

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    Re: Free Speech and Nazi Doctrine

    Quote Originally Posted by calamity View Post
    They are promoting violence though.
    WHEN they do they cross the line.
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    Re: Free Speech and Nazi Doctrine

    Quote Originally Posted by Hawkeye10 View Post
    An open forum to talk about anything is the requirement that should never be traded for anything.

    Nobody controls my mouth but me.

    This is a Human Rights Issue.

    Mine will not be taken.
    It should be though if you are talking about violently overthrowing our government or murdering people you believe are sub-human. In fact, it's imperative that we squash that sort of thing like the cockroaches they are.

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    Re: Free Speech and Nazi Doctrine

    Quote Originally Posted by calamity View Post
    It should be though if you are talking about violently overthrowing our government or murdering people you believe are sub-human. In fact, it's imperative that we squash that sort of thing like the cockroaches they are.
    We must squash their actions....not their words

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    Re: Free Speech and Nazi Doctrine

    Quote Originally Posted by vegas giants View Post
    Its still just words
    It's not quite that simple.

    For most of American history, the courts held that no one has a right to advocate violations of the law. They ruled that advocacy of crime is wholly outside of the First Amendment--akin to a criminal attempt and punishable as such. Indeed, many of the judges revered as the strongest champions of free speech believed that express advocacy of crime was punishable. Judge Learned Hand, in his great 1917 opinion in Masses v. United States, established himself as a true hero of free speech by saying that even dangerous dissident speech was generally protected against government regulation. But Hand himself conceded that government could regulate any speaker who would "counsel or advise a man" to commit an unlawful act.

    ...in the Court's 1969 decision in Brandenburg v. Ohio. There the Court said the government could not take action against a member of the Ku Klux Klan, who said, among other things, "We're not a revengent organization, but if our President, our Congress, our Supreme Court, continues to suppress the white, Caucasian race, it's possible that there might have to be some revengence taken." The speaker did not explicitly advocate illegal acts or illegal violence. But in its decision, the Court announced a broad principle, ruling that the right to free speech does "not permit a State to forbid or proscribe advocacy of the use of force or of law violation except where such advocacy is directed to inciting or producing imminent lawless action and is likely to incite or produce such action."

    http://prospect.org/article/violent-speech-right

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    Re: Free Speech and Nazi Doctrine

    Quote Originally Posted by calamity View Post
    It's not quite that simple.
    The civil rights movement was full of people advocating violating the law. Be very careful about taking this right away

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    Re: Free Speech and Nazi Doctrine

    Quote Originally Posted by calamity View Post
    Nazi doctrine calls for the extermination of Jews and other people deemed "lesser" by White Supremacists. IMO, such speech should not be legal in the US. Period.
    The Nazis and the KKK have always had the right to preach their hate in this country and their numbers have only dwindled over time, not grown. Your irrational fear of the ramblings of a handful of loons is not reason enough to scrap the First Amendment.

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    Re: Free Speech and Nazi Doctrine

    Quote Originally Posted by vegas giants View Post
    We must squash their actions....not their words
    Probably true. I guess, as long as they do not explicitly instruct people to violate the law, they can say whatever they want. The guys arrested in Charlottesville seem to have crossed that line, both in speech and action. So, it should be interesting to see how this all plays out over time.

    I suspect the FBI has dozens of agents and informants working inside these organizations listening for illegal speech.

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    Re: Free Speech and Nazi Doctrine

    Quote Originally Posted by vegas giants View Post
    The civil rights movement was full of people advocating violating the law. Be very careful about taking this right away
    Peaceful violations of law, not violent violations.

    "Sit on the courthouse steps until they arrest you." Good speech.

    "Blow up the courthouse and run." Bad speech.

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    Re: Free Speech and Nazi Doctrine

    Quote Originally Posted by calamity View Post
    Probably true. I guess, as long as they do not explicitly instruct people to violate the law, they can say whatever they want. The guys arrested in Charlottesville seem to have crossed that line, both in speech and action. So, it should be interesting to see how this all plays out over time.

    I suspect the FBI has dozens of agents and informants working inside these organizations listening for illegal speech.
    I am glad people like MLK jr and Gandhi encouraged people to break the law.....aren't you?

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