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    Hating Free Speech


    Save insofar as speech is treasonous or incites to physical harm, it ought to be protected and, beyond cases of slander or libel, ought not to be actionable at all.
    That's it.
    All the rest we find ourselves mooting today under the rubric of freedom of speech is the upshot of Progressive distortion and must be exposed for the political rubbish it is.
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    Re: Hating Free Speech

    Quote Originally Posted by Angel View Post
    All the rest we find ourselves mooting today under the rubric of freedom of speech is the upshot of Progressive distortion and must be exposed for the political rubbish it is.
    So what you're saying is speech you agree with is okay, but speech you disagree with isn't?

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    Re: Hating Free Speech

    Quote Originally Posted by Slyfox696 View Post
    So what you're saying is speech you agree with is okay, but speech you disagree with isn't?
    No, I'm saying ALL speech is okay, unless treasonous, libelous, slanderous, or physically harmful.
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    Re: Hating Free Speech

    It's more like people not wanting to hear the truth about themselves.

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    Re: Hating Free Speech

    Agreed. We have too many people in this country that believe if they dislike what someone is saying, they should shout them down, block their path, and threaten violence to get them to shut up or go away. How is that freedom?


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    Re: Hating Free Speech

    Quote Originally Posted by Angel View Post

    Save insofar as speech is treasonous or incites to physical harm, it ought to be protected and, beyond cases of slander or libel, ought not to be actionable at all.
    That's it.
    All the rest we find ourselves mooting today under the rubric of freedom of speech is the upshot of Progressive distortion and must be exposed for the political rubbish it is.
    I agree with you that hate speech should be protected speech.
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    Re: Hating Free Speech

    There is free speech and then there is consequences of said free speech.

    I believe very much in free speech.

    However I also believe that there should be consequences if words uttered under free speech incites to violence or criminality.

    Case in point.. Mob boss says to hitman 1.. Go kill mr Zulu and hitman 1 does so. Now, is that free speech? yes it is.. but should the mob boss not face sanctions for the actions that said free speech did? Of course.

    Now the question is... when is it criminal? Is it only criminal after the hitman commits the murder, or can you bust the mob boss for saying what he did, before it happens and hence save a life?

    So take this to the world we have today..

    Political agitator advocates publicly that there should be "a final solution to the Muslims problem", clearly wanting a Muslim holocaust. It is in her right to say that, according to free speech, but she is also advocating something clearly criminal and violent. Should we only go after her, if someone starts killing Muslims and can be linked to her comments, or should we go after her before that happens and set an example on how to behave in a civilised world?

    In my opinion you cant go after the mob boss and not go after the political agitator..

    The real tricky part is when the political agitator hides behind religious cloths...
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    Re: Hating Free Speech

    Quote Originally Posted by Angel View Post

    Save insofar as speech is treasonous or incites to physical harm, it ought to be protected and, beyond cases of slander or libel, ought not to be actionable at all.
    That's it.
    All the rest we find ourselves mooting today under the rubric of freedom of speech is the upshot of Progressive distortion and must be exposed for the political rubbish it is.
    I don't trust Noam Chomsky's judgment at all given how wrong he was on Cambodia, so......

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    Re: Hating Free Speech

    Quote Originally Posted by Tigerace117 View Post
    I don't trust Noam Chomsky's judgment at all given how wrong he was on Cambodia, so......
    His quote is definitely right on the $, though. Freedom of speech means protecting speech that you (general you) don't necessarily like.
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    Re: Hating Free Speech

    Quote Originally Posted by Slyfox696 View Post
    So what you're saying is speech you agree with is okay, but speech you disagree with isn't?
    From my reading of his post, it doesn't seem like that is anywhere near an accurate representation of his thought process. Actually, it looks incredibly dishonest. Looking at the vast majority of what he wrote, it would seem what he's saying is:

    "If the speech, due to clear intent or undue recklessness, causes verifiably tangible harm to another individual it is not okay. Otherwise, it is. This is regardless of whether or not I agree with the point that is being made."

    The metric for determining if he thinks speech is "okay" or not seems to have zero to do with agreeing with the content of the speech, but rather the impact that speech has on others. Literally nothing in his post suggests his determination is centered around whether or not he agrees with what's being stated.

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