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    Re: Hating Free Speech

    Quote Originally Posted by zimmer View Post
    I stand by my comments. The Right isn't the party that would create legistlation to control the media. The Left would, did, and still tries to today.

    You control the airwaves, you control a lot, and it's not just what you report, it is what is not reported. And in FDR's day, radio was as powerful as TV.

    When you tell broadcasters what they must broadcast and in what proportion is not freedom of speech. It is regulated speech. I don't care if it was FDR, JFK or Ghandi who proclaimed such rules.

    The reason Limbaugh exploded is because The Fairness Doktrine was lifted. It's why talk radio exploded. They were free to say what they wanted in the proportion they wanted.

    The "deep, deep anger"... ROTFLOL... during the past 6-months everyone has witnessed the "deep, deep anger" of the Left. Violence, anger, and schools "of higher learning" denying people who love the Constitution the right from speaking freely on campus.

    The Tea Party were law abiding citizens protesting a government whose spending was out of control. We didn't have hooded vandals or criminals running around like you do now, or did with OWS.

    The Left has a long history of expressing their anger through violence... whether it's today's thugs, or the KKK.
    Yes of course the KKK was/is "left", Jesus.

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    Re: Hating Free Speech

    Quote Originally Posted by Fenton Lum View Post
    Well we're "exceptional" don'tcha know, WE get to do that shyte.
    I know, Fenton. Fancy speeches at Nuremberg about how all men should be judged as the Nazis were being judged, the "poison chalice" handed to whoever commits similar crimes and the US has done so over 75 times since that judgment was handed down and no "poison chalice" was ever handed to any one of the war criminal US presidents.

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    Re: Hating Free Speech

    Quote Originally Posted by camlok View Post
    So true! The epitome of this is the USA. It's so bloody evident. Over 70 illegal invasions by the US since WWII, every US president has been a war criminal by Nuremberg standards, tens of millions slaughtered by the US, trillions and trillions of others wealth stolen, ... and no one talks about it, or wants to talk about it, and so many "freedom of speech "lovers"" do all they can to crush any such dicussions.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Fledermaus View Post
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    You need a huge reality check. Trump tells the truth, for once.


    The United States and the Russian devil: 1917-2017

    Conservatives have had a very hard time getting over President Trump’s much-repeated response to Fox News anchor Bill O’Reilly’s calling Russian president Vladimir Putin “a killer”. Replied Trump: “There are a lot of killers. We have a lot of killers. You think our country is so innocent?”

    One could almost feel a bit sorry for O’Reilly as he struggled to regain his composure in the face of such blasphemy. Had any American establishment media star ever heard such a thought coming from the mouth of an American president? From someone on the radical left, yes, but from the president?

    Senator John McCain on the floor of Congress, referring to Putin, tore into attempts to draw “moral equivalency between that butcher and thug and KGB colonel and the United States of America.”

    Ah yes, the infamous KGB. Can anything good be said about a person associated with such an organization? We wouldn’t like it if a US president had a background with anything like that. Oh, wait, a president of the United States was not merely a CIA “colonel”, but was the Director of the CIA! I of course speak of George Herbert Walker Bush. And as far as butchery and thuggery … How many Americans remember the December 1989 bombing and invasion of the people of Panama carried out by the same Mr. Bush? Many thousands killed or wounded; thousands more left homeless.

    Try and match that, Vladimir!

    And in case you’re wondering for what good reason all this was perpetrated? Officially, to arrest dictator Manuel Noriega on drug charges. How is that for a rationalization for widespread devastation and slaughter? It should surprise no one that only shortly before the invasion Noriega had been on the CIA payroll.

    It’s the “moral equivalency” that’s so tough to swallow for proud Americans like O’Reilly and McCain. Republican Senate Majority leader Mitch McConnell also chipped in with: “And no, I don’t think there’s any equivalency between the way the Russians conduct themselves and the way the United States does.” Other Senators echoed the same theme, all inspired by good ol’ “American exceptionalism”, drilled into the mind of every decent American from childhood on … Who would dare to compare the morals of (ugh!) Russia with those of God’s chosen land, even in Moscow’s current non-communist form?

    The communist form began of course with the October 1917 Russian Revolution. By the summer of 1918 some 13,000 American troops could be found in the newly-born state, the future Union of Soviet Socialist Republics. Two years and thousands of casualties later, the American troops left, having failed in their mission to “strangle at its birth” the Bolshevik state, as Winston Churchill so charmingly put it.

    US foreign policy has not been much more noble-minded since then. I think, dear students, it’s time for me to once again present my concise historical summary:

    Since the end of World War 2, the United States has:

    Attempted to overthrow more than 50 foreign governments, most of which were democratically-elected.
    Dropped bombs on the people of more than 30 countries.
    Attempted to assassinate more than 50 foreign leaders.
    Attempted to suppress a populist or nationalist movement in 20 countries.
    Grossly interfered in democratic elections in at least 30 countries.
    Though not as easy to quantify, has also led the world in torture; not only the torture performed directly by Americans upon foreigners, but providing torture equipment, torture manuals, lists of people to be tortured, and in-person guidance by American instructors.

    Where does the United States get the nerve to moralize about Russia? Same place they get the nerve to label Putin a “killer” … a “butcher” … a “thug”. It would be difficult to name a world-renowned killer, butcher, or thug – not to mention dictator, mass murderer, or torturer – of the past 75 years who was not a close ally of Washington.

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    Re: Hating Free Speech

    Quote Originally Posted by camlok View Post
    You need a huge reality check. Trump tells the truth, for once.
    Gee buddy, how many people did the Soviets kill again? Stalin was second only to Mao in the massacure of his own people. Seems to me you are so desperate to justify Putin's murder of journalists and dissidents you'll say just about anything.

    And judging by the fact that the vast majority of those "populist" movements encouraged nationalism to conquer and butcher the neighbors.....the irony level is huge.

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    Quote Originally Posted by camlok View Post
    You need a huge reality check. Trump tells the truth, for once.
    Wall -O-Text that does nothing to support your hyperbolic rant.
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    Re: Hating Free Speech

    Delusion runs deep in LaLa Land.

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    Quote Originally Posted by camlok View Post
    Delusion runs deep in LaLa Land.
    And that means what here in the real world?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Fledermaus View Post
    And that means what here in the real world?
    That you gullible folks ignore facts, science, the truth just as you always have. The most heavily propagandized individuals on the planet, the folks who ignore deeply evil things like the following, which is the norm for the USA.

    Other troop toys included Vietnamese ears strung around soldiers’ necks, and “kill albums”— photo albums kept by troops showing pictures of severed heads, or “lots of heads, arranged in a row, with a burning cigarette in each of the mouths, eyes open”(162).

    Of course, the main point of Turse’s book is that it was not just out-of-control 19-year-olds who bear the burden of guilt. Generals were the ones giving the orders, and when the general was someone like Julian Ewell, who in 1968 was given command of the 9th Infantry Division responsible for “clearing” the Mekong Delta (perhaps the richest agricultural expanse in the world), the murder and mayhem could and did reach epic proportions. Known as the “Butcher of the Delta,” Ewell was obsessed with the infamous “body count.” His chief of Staff, Colonel Ira Hunt, was equally obsessed. Together, they beat and browbeat the commanders under them to fatten the body count by any means necessary. Turse quotes Ewell in one rant to his commanders:

    “What the **** are you people doing down here, sitting on your ass? The rest of the brigades are coming up with a fine body count…If you can’t get out there and beat ‘em out of the bushes, then I’ll relieve you and get somebody down here who will.” (206).

    Turse also cites Navy Admiral Robert Salzer’s contention that Ewell was “psychologically unbalanced…you could almost see the saliva dripping out of the corners of his mouth”(207). The insanity showed up in hordes of dead civilians—all, as always and everywhere, counted as enemies, “dead VC.” Before Ewell took over, the 9th Infantry Division had a ratio of about eight VC dead for every American killed in large unit operations, which was slightly higher than average. Then came Speedy Express, Ewell’s name for his operation in the Delta, tragically given an even greater mandate by politics (Pres. Johnson had re-started the Paris peace talks, and the Pentagon wanted to bring the Mekong Delta under Saigon’s control before any peace could break out, and so ordered Ewell and others to pound the Delta even more savagely than before.) With this added sanction from above, the kill ratio for Speedy Express kept leaping to ever more astounding levels, peaking in March of 1969 with a 134 to 1 ratio: that is, 134 “enemy” kills for every American death. Ewell became, of course, the darling of the officer corps, even in spite of the complaints that continued to mount against him. One Concerned Sergeant (later revealed by Turse as George Lewis) wrote a letter to General Westmoreland, the Supreme commander in Vietnam:

    Splinters-Splinters: Kill Anything That Moves

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    Re: Hating Free Speech

    Quote Originally Posted by PeteEU View Post
    There is free speech and then there is consequences of said free speech.

    I believe very much in free speech.

    However I also believe that there should be consequences if words uttered under free speech incites to violence or criminality.

    Case in point.. Mob boss says to hitman 1.. Go kill mr Zulu and hitman 1 does so. Now, is that free speech? yes it is.. but should the mob boss not face sanctions for the actions that said free speech did? Of course.

    Now the question is... when is it criminal? Is it only criminal after the hitman commits the murder, or can you bust the mob boss for saying what he did, before it happens and hence save a life?

    So take this to the world we have today..

    Political agitator advocates publicly that there should be "a final solution to the Muslims problem", clearly wanting a Muslim holocaust. It is in her right to say that, according to free speech, but she is also advocating something clearly criminal and violent. Should we only go after her, if someone starts killing Muslims and can be linked to her comments, or should we go after her before that happens and set an example on how to behave in a civilised world?

    In my opinion you cant go after the mob boss and not go after the political agitator..

    The real tricky part is when the political agitator hides behind religious cloths...
    The Mob boss would not be protected under free speech. He would be charged with conspiracy to commit murder or accessory to murder. There is a tremendous difference between speech and action. We are free to say people should die, we are not free to kill without consequence. Once You start to change the meaning of a freedom or right you are beginning to take it away. Speech is not action nor is it physically violent. People choose to act they are not forced to by speech. If i were to say something that i believe and it offends you, that dose not mean you can take violent action against me and if you do you are in the wrong not me.

    Our culture is becoming increasingly more offended by opinions and views that differ from their own. People are binding their opinions with their identity in such a way that when people disagree with them they consider it an attack on them personally. This inevitably haunts the flow off discussion that would lead to common ground solutions, and this is one of the reasons that i believe Free Speech is under attack in this country.

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