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    Hate speech vs. other illegal speech

    Slander and Libel
    False threats
    Real threats
    Lying under oath
    Sexual Harrassment

    So let's compare,
    1.One man runs a hate article against another, as a result, this person recieves backlash in the public, can't get a job, and ends up committing suicide as a result of constant hate based on lies.
    2. A troll writes an anti-gay article

    1. A man calls a bomb threat on a school, resulting in the school being closed, the cops being called and bomb squads waste their resources looking for a bomb.
    2. A pastor says men are in charge of women

    1. I tell a woman I'm going to rape her and send a picture of her house to her.
    2. I misgender a transperson.

    1. A man lies under oath, resulting in either a guilty criminal going free, or an innocent man going to jail.
    2. An alt-right collumnist says whites are smarter than blacks.

    1. I follow a woman around verbally harassing her saying I wanna lick her asshole, refusing to leave her alone
    2. I use the word "Faggot"

    For any of these, is option 2 in any way comparable to option 1?

    I would say "No" and anyone who says "hate speech" is equal to that other stuff is an overly emotional pussy

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    Re: Hate speech vs. other illegal speech

    Let's stipulate the difference between illegal (criminal) and actionable (civil). For example if someone says that a roofer bills for work that he never performed the roofer could sue for defamation.
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    Re: Hate speech vs. other illegal speech

    Quote Originally Posted by SDET View Post
    Let's stipulate the difference between illegal (criminal) and actionable (civil). For example if someone says that a roofer bills for work that he never performed the roofer could sue for defamation.
    Yea, but to sue someone civilly, we'd need to establish some form of harm. When we set the precedence where people can sue one another over hurt feelings, I believe you'll see social decay unlike we've ever seen before

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    Re: Hate speech vs. other illegal speech

    You know, legal technicalities aside, I can't help but think that the founding fathers would be disappointed to find out that their noble concepts and initiatives would be used a couple centuries later by the dregs of American society for nothing more than to justify their apparent right to be ****ing assholes....speaking of social decay....
    Remember when the Right and the Left could debate politics without becoming mortal enemies in the process?

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    Re: Hate speech vs. other illegal speech

    Quote Originally Posted by whateverdude View Post
    I would say "No" and anyone who says "hate speech" is equal to that other stuff is an overly emotional pussy
    Has anybody claimed they're equal?

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    Re: Hate speech vs. other illegal speech

    Quote Originally Posted by whateverdude View Post
    Slander and Libel
    False threats
    Real threats
    Lying under oath
    Sexual Harrassment

    So let's compare,
    1.One man runs a hate article against another, as a result, this person recieves backlash in the public, can't get a job, and ends up committing suicide as a result of constant hate based on lies.
    2. A troll writes an anti-gay article

    1. A man calls a bomb threat on a school, resulting in the school being closed, the cops being called and bomb squads waste their resources looking for a bomb.
    2. A pastor says men are in charge of women

    1. I tell a woman I'm going to rape her and send a picture of her house to her.
    2. I misgender a transperson.

    1. A man lies under oath, resulting in either a guilty criminal going free, or an innocent man going to jail.
    2. An alt-right collumnist says whites are smarter than blacks.

    1. I follow a woman around verbally harassing her saying I wanna lick her asshole, refusing to leave her alone
    2. I use the word "Faggot"

    For any of these, is option 2 in any way comparable to option 1?

    I would say "No" and anyone who says "hate speech" is equal to that other stuff is an overly emotional pussy
    The eloquence contained in the brevity of your last sentence sums it up perfectly.
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    Re: Hate speech vs. other illegal speech

    Quote Originally Posted by OlNate View Post
    You know, legal technicalities aside, I can't help but think that the founding fathers would be disappointed to find out that their noble concepts and initiatives would be used a couple centuries later by the dregs of American society for nothing more than to justify their apparent right to be ****ing assholes....speaking of social decay....
    Really?
    I don't think the founding fathers were retards. I think if they created freedom of speech, they definintely knew some people were gonna say asshole stuff. It's not really a big deal anyway. There were people who spoke out against the very revolution they fought for.
    I'm sure they didn't appreciate the loyalists speaking out against the revolution.

    But they weren't little bitches who wanted to ban whatever they didn't like. You think we didn't have assholes back then? The difference is we're not Canada. We have free speech laws for all. We dont pick and choose free speech for those we like

    Quote Originally Posted by HonestJoe View Post
    Has anybody claimed they're equal?
    Anyone who believes in anti-hate speech legislature must think they're equal enough for them both to be illegal

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