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    Hate speech

    As of late I've heard the term "hate speech being thrown around a lot. So, my question is, doesn't the first amendment protect speech regardless of its emotional motivations?

    The more I see this word tossed around the more it seems that people think it isn't protected.

    Your thoughts?

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    Re: Hate speech

    That's because they don't. They don't think ignoring preferences is free speech, they don't think that being mean to someone is free speech, and they don't think that using slurs is free speech. All of those are free speech of course, but who you're talking about don't see it that way.

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    Re: Hate speech

    Quote Originally Posted by CLAX1911 View Post
    As of late I've heard the term "hate speech being thrown around a lot. So, my question is, doesn't the first amendment protect speech regardless of its emotional motivations?

    The more I see this word tossed around the more it seems that people think it isn't protected.

    Your thoughts?
    I don't see how hate speech isn't protected. I also don't see how speech returned to the hate speaker isn't protected.

    I think everyone should be concerned with the effort to silence people, and the Constitutional ramifications of doing so.

    I am free to ignore hate speech, and even call those engaging in it anything I chose. We enter a very dangerous path when we accept efforts to change that.

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    Re: Hate speech

    Quote Originally Posted by CLAX1911 View Post
    As of late I've heard the term "hate speech being thrown around a lot. So, my question is, doesn't the first amendment protect speech regardless of its emotional motivations?

    The more I see this word tossed around the more it seems that people think it isn't protected.

    Your thoughts?
    It does and it's been challenged many times. Snyder v Phelps was a recent decision that should have blown away any further challenges but a lot of folks just have nothing better to do than complain about things so I'm sure it will be challenged again.

    Just think about it. How fortunate are we that people in our fine country have the time and resources to lodge formal complaints against others that merely offend them? I mean, they don't need to worry about finding food, staying warm in winter or cool in summer. They don't have to worry that someone will sell them into slavery or haul them off to a "reeducation" camp. They don't have to worry that they will be arrested for expressing their opinions or thrown in jail for protesting the government. If someone robs them the police show up to help. They can vote in elections and aren't forced into military service. They can go to school. They generally have no concerns about water not coming out when they turn on the tap and they have toilets instead of slit trenches.

    Life is pretty ****ing good if you're an American but there are folks out there will always feel like they're getting the short end of the stick and those folks choose to ignore all the wonderful things they have and, instead, focus on the the things they don't have.

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    Re: Hate speech

    Quote Originally Posted by CLAX1911 View Post
    As of late I've heard the term "hate speech being thrown around a lot. So, my question is, doesn't the first amendment protect speech regardless of its emotional motivations?

    The more I see this word tossed around the more it seems that people think it isn't protected.

    Your thoughts?
    You can say what you want, but if you start yelling N-word this and N-word that while shooting black people, you're going to be charged with a hate crime. Same applies for pretty much any group you do that to, including whites.

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    Re: Hate speech

    Quote Originally Posted by calamity View Post
    You can say what you want, but if you start yelling N-word this and N-word that while shooting black people, you're going to be charged with a hate crime. Same applies for pretty much any group you do that to, including whites.
    Which shows that our laws against murder arent strict enough or that hate crime legislation is a bull of liberal bull**** that is an end around to curbing free speech.

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    Re: Hate speech

    Quote Originally Posted by CLAX1911 View Post
    As of late I've heard the term "hate speech being thrown around a lot. So, my question is, doesn't the first amendment protect speech regardless of its emotional motivations?

    The more I see this word tossed around the more it seems that people think it isn't protected.

    Your thoughts?
    People use the term "hate speech" to shut down free speech. The perception of what constitutes hate from others is completely subjective. You can think that I hate you, but only I know if I really do. You may think that because of something I said, that I hate you, but only I know if I really do. You may think that because I say something to you or about you that sounds brutal, but it may not be hateful, just brutally honest.

    Subjectivity makes it impossible to define hate speech objectively.
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    Re: Hate speech

    Quote Originally Posted by CLAX1911 View Post
    As of late I've heard the term "hate speech being thrown around a lot. So, my question is, doesn't the first amendment protect speech regardless of its emotional motivations?

    The more I see this word tossed around the more it seems that people think it isn't protected.

    Your thoughts?
    Hate speech is free speech. It is most definitely protected under the 1st Amendment, despite how much others don't want it to be.
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    Re: Hate speech

    Quote Originally Posted by Crovax View Post
    Which shows that our laws against murder arent strict enough or that hate crime legislation is a bull of liberal bull**** that is an end around to curbing free speech.
    I disagree. State of mind is an aggravating factor when committing crimes.

    If someone kills their wife for a large insurance payout, it's usually punished more severely than if he put a bullet in her head when catching her in bed with a neighbor. Same applies to hate. If a person kills someone or beats them up due to ideological idealism, it's punished more severely than if they did it because they were just having a bad day.

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    Re: Hate speech

    Quote Originally Posted by TheGoverness View Post
    Hate speech is free speech. It is most definitely protected under the 1st Amendment, despite how much others don't want it to be.
    The line for me is when hate speech crosses over into incitement to violence. I have a major issue with allowing that.

    He's not American but Anjem Choudary springs to mind here. I support his incarceration.
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