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    Re: Teacher loses right of appeal

    Quote Originally Posted by Fearandloathing View Post
    See Ben Franklin.

    You are NOT free when you allow unreasonable search and seizure and deny due process.

    I love the American right....all the drama and bluster over "American exceptionalism" the constitution and dare we mention the "founding fathers"....but when you mention a Muslim name, they cower in fear, wiping the sweat from their brow with the very same constitution they claim to defend.

    American exceptionalism was clearly displayed when Americans allowed the passage of the "Patriot act".

    You are going to have to change your attitudes under Trump. If he, as promised, stops illegal immigration, America will not have enough entry level workers to meet current demand, let alone all these so-called jobs that have been 'given away' which Trumps says he will "bring back".
    The operational terms are reasonable and due process. I dont really think that so unreasonable and what would be due process in this case? And is this an American citizen or on US soil? I think it is better to clarify the important facts before spitting bile.

    PS: What is it you dislike about the Patriot Act beyond the name?

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    Re: Teacher loses right of appeal

    Quote Originally Posted by joG View Post
    The operational terms are reasonable and due process. I dont really think that so unreasonable and what would be due process in this case? And is this an American citizen or on US soil? I think it is better to clarify the important facts before spitting bile.

    PS: What is it you dislike about the Patriot Act beyond the name?
    Really? You actually have to ask that?

    Democracy isn't your strong suit is it? But, it is typical of an American conservative..."lock her up" is your war cry isn't it...who needs a stinkin' trial. My Lord you guys are so transparent
    A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.

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    Re: Teacher loses right of appeal

    Quote Originally Posted by Fearandloathing View Post
    Really? You actually have to ask that?

    Democracy isn't your strong suit is it? But, it is typical of an American conservative..."lock her up" is your war cry isn't it...who needs a stinkin' trial. My Lord you guys are so transparent
    Actually, political science, optimal political systems and in particular democratic structures and constitutions was something I did quite a bit of at and after university.

    So, it would be interesting, what exactly it is, that you dislike.

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    Re: Teacher loses right of appeal

    Quote Originally Posted by joG View Post
    Actually, political science, optimal political systems and in particular democratic structures and constitutions was something I did quite a bit of at and after university.

    So, it would be interesting, what exactly it is, that you dislike.

    I don't believe you. If you have to ask the question you have NO understanding of rights and freedoms, like most American conservatives you default to authoritarianism. You have done it hear while furthering the fear agenda.

    It has been my experience that the only part of the US constitution understood by the right is the second amendment. And let's face it, historically America has a long, established record of ignoring it's much touted constitution when it suited them. And anticipating your response, let's start with Joe McCarthy and HUDAC.
    A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.

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    Re: Teacher loses right of appeal

    Quote Originally Posted by Fearandloathing View Post
    I don't believe you. If you have to ask the question you have NO understanding of rights and freedoms, like most American conservatives you default to authoritarianism. You have done it hear while furthering the fear agenda.

    It has been my experience that the only part of the US constitution understood by the right is the second amendment. And let's face it, historically America has a long, established record of ignoring it's much touted constitution when it suited them. And anticipating your response, let's start with Joe McCarthy and HUDAC.
    That just about says it. You don’t know specifics and just dislike. That is quite normal though. I run into this in economics in the same way.people often have strong opinions but don't know any of the formal learning.

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    Re: Teacher loses right of appeal

    Quote Originally Posted by Grand Mal View Post
    I think I read it wrong. I think it means that had his name been Mohammed there might have been a valid reason but since it wasn't...
    Possibly. Having searched the terrorist watch list for financial transactions, I can vouch that is the one name that will return half the database that is for sure. LOL.

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    Re: Teacher loses right of appeal

    Quote Originally Posted by Manc Skipper View Post
    A UK teacher was taken off the plane on which he was escorting British pupils on a visit to the USA. He's English born, brought up in Wales, and has never visited any of the listed countries. The only logical reason for a valid visa-holder being ejected from the flight is that his given name is Mohammed.

    Welsh high school teacher on class trip kicked off flight to US despite holding valid visa | Wales - ITV News

    He was actually half-way there in Iceland, where they had a one-day educational stopover, when he was "randomly" stopped, searched, and even let aboard the plane with his fellow teachers and pupils, before being removed. He was given no reason.
    Rather embarrassing. Makes us look pathetic.

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    Re: Teacher loses right of appeal

    Quote Originally Posted by Manc Skipper View Post
    A UK teacher was taken off the plane on which he was escorting British pupils on a visit to the USA. He's English born, brought up in Wales, and has never visited any of the listed countries. The only logical reason for a valid visa-holder being ejected from the flight is that his given name is Mohammed.

    Welsh high school teacher on class trip kicked off flight to US despite holding valid visa | Wales - ITV News

    He was actually half-way there in Iceland, where they had a one-day educational stopover, when he was "randomly" stopped, searched, and even let aboard the plane with his fellow teachers and pupils, before being removed. He was given no reason.
    Through out that article there was no reason given for the teacher to be pulled off of the plane. It even says that straight out. Yet here you are, and the article, both suggesting and implying that it was done because of Trump's EO. No facts given other than that he was coming to the US and was in Iceland and on a school field trip.

    None.

    Do you not see how this is idiotic? How it is irresponsible "journalism"? It is this kind of crap that is exactly why more and more people are disregarding what the media says. Half truths and implications is all that I've seen in the media for quite awhile...but for the past year its been far worse than I have ever seen in over 40 years.
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    Re: Teacher loses right of appeal

    Quote Originally Posted by rabbitcaebannog View Post
    Rather embarrassing. Makes us look pathetic.
    What does exactly? What facts in this article leads you to believe that what happened with that teacher "makes us look pathetic"? Please do tell.
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    Re: Teacher loses right of appeal

    Quote Originally Posted by Fearandloathing View Post
    I don't believe you. If you have to ask the question you have NO understanding of rights and freedoms, like most American conservatives you default to authoritarianism. You have done it hear while furthering the fear agenda.

    It has been my experience that the only part of the US constitution understood by the right is the second amendment. And let's face it, historically America has a long, established record of ignoring it's much touted constitution when it suited them. And anticipating your response, let's start with Joe McCarthy and HUDAC.
    Think you meant "HUAC".
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