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Teacher loses First Amendment rights

Where did I say she 'said' that? You said illegal immigrants do not belong here and should be turned in. I simply illustrated that under federal law public educators are not mandated to report them. It contradicts laws that say they must educate them and also not be found accountable for creating a harassing environment to these children.

It does nothing of the sort. She spoke from her personal Facebook page. She still American.
 
You still haven't defined this harassment you are claiming is happening... I'll wait patiently until you can clearly explain this concept...

Being suspected of a crime can most definitely start harassment. If she was not a public educator, she would not have to worry.
 
Maybe I missed the part where she said "Report all Mexicans to the police." (you can change "Mexico" to whatever nation you'd like). Could you show me where she said that??

Play coy. It is obvious that she is talking about people she suspects of being illegal based on their origin.
 
Being suspected of a crime can most definitely start harassment. If she was not a public educator, she would not have to worry.

So reporting suspected crack dealers is now harassment of their children??? You see a guy swapping baggies for money on a street corner and because he has kids, are you saying that you should just ignore it because it's harassment of his kids??
 
Doesn't force her to shutup, as long as she isn't promoting illegal activity or the PoS of Facebook.

She is violating a law where public employees indulging in this type of behavior puts themselves into jeopardy of a law suit.
 
She is violating a law where public employees indulging in this type of behavior puts themselves into jeopardy of a law suit.

Please cite the exact law text and its applicability.
 
So reporting suspected crack dealers is now harassment of their children??? You see a guy swapping baggies for money on a street corner and because he has kids, are you saying that you should just ignore it because it's harassment of his kids??

I've already addressed this statement. Under Title VI she cannot harasses based on national origin being a public employee. If she feels it is her job to indulge in witch hunts, she needs to quite her job in the public school system.
 
Play coy. It is obvious that she is talking about people she suspects of being illegal based on their origin.

No, she said "suspected of being here illegally", No mention of country of origin, that's 100% in your mind. Her actual words are the ONLY thing that we have to judge this situation on, you don't get the privilege of claiming that you can read her mind and then condemning her based on what you think she is thinking. Go down that road and you end up in a little thing called a "Totalitarian regime".
 
I've already addressed this statement. Under Title VI she cannot harasses based on national origin being a public employee. If she feels it is her job to indulge in witch hunts, she needs to quite her job in the public school system.

But the only place where she said anything about nation of origin is in your mind.
 
Please cite the exact law text and its applicability.

Title VI


More on free speech vs. harassment: file:///C:/Users/chuck/Downloads/Guide%20for%20Public%20School%20Students.pdf and Web site at: www.
aclu-wa.org.

Harassment and Free Speech:
Th e
defi nition of harassment is not always
clear. If a school’s anti-harassment
rule is too broad, it can infringe on
your right to free speech. School
policies should not keep you from
expressing your religious, philosophical
or political views even if they
might be considered “off ensive”
by some students. But schools can
prohibit harassment when students
intentionally intimidate or demean
others, even if that harassment occurs
partly through speech. For more on
this topic, see our brochure, Preventing
Harassment, Protecting Speech,
available on our Web site at: www.
aclu-wa.org.
 
Title VI


More on free speech vs. harassment: file:///C:/Users/chuck/Downloads/Guide%20for%20Public%20School%20Students.pdf and Web site at: www.
aclu-wa.org.

Harassment and Free Speech:
Th e
defi nition of harassment is not always
clear. If a school’s anti-harassment
rule is too broad, it can infringe on
your right to free speech. School
policies should not keep you from
expressing your religious, philosophical
or political views even if they
might be considered “off ensive”
by some students. But schools can
prohibit harassment when students
intentionally intimidate or demean
others, even if that harassment occurs
partly through speech. For more on
this topic, see our brochure, Preventing
Harassment, Protecting Speech,
available on our Web site at: www.
aclu-wa.org.

So show us where she mentions any nation.
 
Being suspected of a crime can most definitely start harassment. If she was not a public educator, she would not have to worry.

What if she had posted a hot line for reporting tax fraud to the IRS? What if she had made a speech some evening to ten people in her Toastmasters group in which she argued that our immigration laws are well-considered and serve this country's interests? If a public employee's speech on her own time away from work risks creating any problem at all among the pubic she serves, shouldn't government be able to punish her for that speech? Isn't all this free speech stuff overrated?
 
Yes, but that does not give you unlimited rights, especially if it impedes another person's rights such as protections under the Due Process Clauses of the Fifth and Fourteenth Amendments.

and the illegal aliens have a right to not be reported as illegal aliens? Of course, anyone so reported has the right of due process.
It's no different from reporting that someone tried to burglarize your house. They still have the right to due process, of course, but they don't have a right to privacy while burglarizing your house.
 
Sad to think she is a teacher. This would have a negative impact on her job as a public educator. They have a right to suspend her for this behavior.

If that is the standard we are going to set them we should just fire every teacher with social media accounts. This is garbage. Complete garbage.


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and the illegal aliens have a right to not be reported as illegal aliens? Of course, anyone so reported has the right of due process.
It's no different from reporting that someone tried to burglarize your house. They still have the right to due process, of course, but they don't have a right to privacy while burglarizing your house.

We all know that whoever put her on leave is a liberal. No doubt about it. I hope she demolishes the administration and people lose their jobs.


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A person suspected of being an illegal immigrant is from a nation different from here.

But it's the part where they are here illegally that she addresses, not the fact that they are from another country. This is pretty obvious stuff, so I can only assume that you're either being intentionally obtuse or are just trolling. You have only provided "thought police" level rational for your arguments, have offered NOTHING by way of proof other than claiming to be able to read the teacher's mind and can't answer a simple question....
 
and the illegal aliens have a right to not be reported as illegal aliens? Of course, anyone so reported has the right of due process.
It's no different from reporting that someone tried to burglarize your house. They still have the right to due process, of course, but they don't have a right to privacy while burglarizing your house.

You're forgetting that under Title VI, they have a right to not be harassed. She is a public employee that may be starting a harassment campaign which puts the public school and herself in jeopardy.
 
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