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This is sarcasm, right?
:lamoprobably
Oops ... I may owe you one then ...
This is sarcasm, right?
:lamoprobably
:lamo
I'm extremely proud to say I have neither a Facebook nor Twitter account! I'm reasonably tech savvy & tech involved, but see no reason to put my personal stuff out in the world. One it's out - it's out! What looks fun & good at 19 when in college, might not look so good at 32 when you're a working professional or business owner with a wife & kids!
I'm happy to let the world go flying by on this one ...
I am a hypocrite and I know it............. when it comes to flag denigration.
The first amendment should be treasured and protected by all means necessary.
The miscreants who publicly denigrate the flag deserve a good azz whooping. (hence my hypocrisy)
The "Stars and Bars" is being removed from public places because it stirs emotional reactions of racism, anger, and humiliation. I get it!
To many millions of people, the Red White and Blue represents the ones that came before us. It also represents the ones that have fallen and died.
The military hands the flag to the widow during the closing of a military funeral for a reason.
Hence my hypocrisy.
Then that might explain it - my pet tastes run strongly canine ... :mrgreen:I love Facebook, it is a great news accumulator, I subscribe to many newspapers and magazines and groups on FB, I get a lot of good information from sources all over the world.
And...lots of cat pictures....:roll:
Then that might explain it - my pet tastes run strongly canine ... :mrgreen:
You know what though: I had a Siamese when I first moved out at 17, and I must admit as cats go this one was pretty interactive and communicative! It seemed to like to hang around with me in the apartment! Plus it was stunningly beautiful, and seemed to naturally resort to posing in a somewhat dignified looking way. I got her for free from a friend.Same here, I have a rare breed, and I can connect with others that have my breed....
I am a hypocrite and I know it............. when it comes to flag denigration.
The first amendment should be treasured and protected by all means necessary.
The miscreants who publicly denigrate the flag deserve a good azz whooping. (hence my hypocrisy)
The "Stars and Bars" is being removed from public places because it stirs emotional reactions of racism, anger, and humiliation. I get it!
To many millions of people, the Red White and Blue represents the ones that came before us. It also represents the ones that have fallen and died.
The military hands the flag to the widow during the closing of a military funeral for a reason.
Hence my hypocrisy.
So this happened in Illinois on the 4th of July.
Forbes Welcome
I raise this issue to bring up two points:
1. This is a perfect example showing people why posting on Facebook (or any other social media) in not always in one's best interests.
2. Notice that the charges include both desecration, which under Texas v. Johnson 491 U.S. 397 (1989) cannot be made illegal by itself; and disorderly conduct which might fall under the Texas V. Johnson clarification allowing charges for the narrow government interest of preventing "flag burnings that were likely to result in a serious disturbance of the peace." https://supreme.justia.com/cases/federal/us/491/397/case.html
I don't agree with this arrest if it was based solely on reactions to a Facebook post. However, there might be some small basis if calls came in from neighbors who saw him doing this in his neighborhood. But even then it was on his own private property, done apparently for the purpose of posting on his Facebook page to express his opinion, and not to incite violence. That clearly falls under First Amendment protections explained in Texas v. Johnson, since the target audience was that small fraction of the total U.S. population who are his "followers."
Yes it is the 4th of July. Yes, many Americans feel that the symbolism of the Flag should allow legal protection against desecration. Yes, people will get upset as a result.
Still, IMO it is his personal property once purchased and he can wear it, or burn it, or fly it, and it's none of our business.
My pride rests in the Nation, not in it's symbols.
When I was a soldier I would gladly defend our garrison flag from all comers. Because in that instance it clearly represented the symbol of our nation in that spot, at that time, and by extension my right to be there to serve my nation's interests. It was my job to protect it.
A common citizen's handling of their own property is not the same thing, and I support their First Amendment right to use it to express themselves howsoever they will.
So this happened in Illinois on the 4th of July.
Forbes Welcome
I raise this issue to bring up two points:
1. This is a perfect example showing people why posting on Facebook (or any other social media) in not always in one's best interests.
2. Notice that the charges include both desecration, which under Texas v. Johnson 491 U.S. 397 (1989) cannot be made illegal by itself; and disorderly conduct which might fall under the Texas V. Johnson clarification allowing charges for the narrow government interest of preventing "flag burnings that were likely to result in a serious disturbance of the peace." https://supreme.justia.com/cases/federal/us/491/397/case.html
I don't agree with this arrest if it was based solely on reactions to a Facebook post. However, there might be some small basis if calls came in from neighbors who saw him doing this in his neighborhood. But even then it was on his own private property, done apparently for the purpose of posting on his Facebook page to express his opinion, and not to incite violence. That clearly falls under First Amendment protections explained in Texas v. Johnson, since the target audience was that small fraction of the total U.S. population who are his "followers."
Yes it is the 4th of July. Yes, many Americans feel that the symbolism of the Flag should allow legal protection against desecration. Yes, people will get upset as a result.
Still, IMO it is his personal property once purchased and he can wear it, or burn it, or fly it, and it's none of our business.
My pride rests in the Nation, not in it's symbols.
When I was a soldier I would gladly defend our garrison flag from all comers. Because in that instance it clearly represented the symbol of our nation in that spot, at that time, and by extension my right to be there to serve my nation's interests. It was my job to protect it.
A common citizen's handling of their own property is not the same thing, and I support their First Amendment right to use it to express themselves howsoever they will.
I'm completely against his arrest & charges!
He has every first amendment right to do what he did, no matter how offensive others may feel. If you're offended, tough tootsies; this is exactly the type of unpopular speech the 1st is intended to protect!
What a bunch of pansies we've become! :doh
Ultimately, permission to desecrate the symbols of a nation breaks the social contract with the nation, and oftentimes leads down a slippery slope to revolution
I agree completely.
People...it's just a flag...lighten-the-hell up.
I don't care about what it represents to you...it's just a flag.
I can't help but wonder how many people want the flag treated like a precious child, then go home and treat their own children in less-then-precious manners.
More then a few, I am SURE.
So was the confederate flag...right? I suppose all those pansie azzed black people should just lighten the hell up also....huh?
LOL! You think it's only black people who dislike the flag of traitors and don't want it flying on/over gov't property?
LOL! You think it's only black people who dislike the flag of traitors and don't want it flying on/over gov't property?
but as DA60 aid above....it is just a piece of cloth
why such a stink over this one?
if others can desecrate Old Glory then flying this is just another "first amendment right" right?
Big difference: no one is saying you don't have right to fly the flag of losers and traitors as you'd wish on your own property; on gov't property, it's a different matter.
Your 1st amendment right to fly the flag of traitors remains unaffected.
but as DA60 aid above....it is just a piece of cloth
why such a stink over this one?
if others can desecrate Old Glory then flying this is just another "first amendment right" right?
I'm completely against his arrest & charges!
He has every first amendment right to do what he did, no matter how offensive others may feel. If you're offended, tough tootsies; this is exactly the type of unpopular speech the 1st is intended to protect!
What a bunch of pansies we've become! :doh
I gotta' make some exception here though, Bodie:I was waving my American flags here at work on the 4th and a couple of people made the, i am burning your flag, lighter hand gesture as if Ivwould get upset and I told them, "all good. Freedom of speech... something you can thank the USA for giving the world."
So this happened in Illinois on the 4th of July.
Forbes Welcome
I raise this issue to bring up two points:
1. This is a perfect example showing people why posting on Facebook (or any other social media) in not always in one's best interests.
2. Notice that the charges include both desecration, which under Texas v. Johnson 491 U.S. 397 (1989) cannot be made illegal by itself; and disorderly conduct which might fall under the Texas V. Johnson clarification allowing charges for the narrow government interest of preventing "flag burnings that were likely to result in a serious disturbance of the peace." https://supreme.justia.com/cases/federal/us/491/397/case.html
I don't agree with this arrest if it was based solely on reactions to a Facebook post. However, there might be some small basis if calls came in from neighbors who saw him doing this in his neighborhood. But even then it was on his own private property, done apparently for the purpose of posting on his Facebook page to express his opinion, and not to incite violence. That clearly falls under First Amendment protections explained in Texas v. Johnson, since the target audience was that small fraction of the total U.S. population who are his "followers."
Yes it is the 4th of July. Yes, many Americans feel that the symbolism of the Flag should allow legal protection against desecration. Yes, people will get upset as a result.
Still, IMO it is his personal property once purchased and he can wear it, or burn it, or fly it, and it's none of our business.
My pride rests in the Nation, not in it's symbols.
When I was a soldier I would gladly defend our garrison flag from all comers. Because in that instance it clearly represented the symbol of our nation in that spot, at that time, and by extension my right to be there to serve my nation's interests. It was my job to protect it.
A common citizen's handling of their own property is not the same thing, and I support their First Amendment right to use it to express themselves howsoever they will.