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Pledge: no more HATE SPEECH[W:72, 161]

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MACS-24 said:
Is this really a Freedom of Speech issue? A nice rant but the 1st is about what the gov't can't do. By the way, I'll go along with this if you agree no more hate speech to NRA members.
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I have always felt the vast majority of NRA members are decent and good people and would never direct hate speech at them just because they are members of a badly led organization which has allowed itself to become radically politicized and betray the good public service it had previously provided to the nation.
 
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haymarket said:
I have always felt the vast majority of NRA members are decent and good people and would never direct hate speech at them just because they are members of a badly led organization which has allowed itself to become radically politicized and betray the good public service it had previously provided to the nation.
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How is your OP a Freedom of Speech issue?
 
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MACS-24 said:
How is your OP a Freedom of Speech issue?
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People use freedom of speech to spew hate speech which contributes to an environment of hate and intolerance which translated into terrible violence just a week ago.

I am joining in an effort to ask people to step up and acknowledge this and voluntarily agree to pledge to not use their freedom os speech in this negative and harmful manner.

It is not only government which limits our behavior - but the intelligent and civilized person knows when to police their own behavior and curb their own negative tendencies. One could make the argument that it is only when good people fail to do just that which then spurs others to advocate for government action.
 
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haymarket said:
People use freedom of speech to spew hate speech which contributes to an environment of hate and intolerance which translated into terrible violence just a week ago.

I am joining in an effort to ask people to step up and acknowledge this and voluntarily agree to pledge to not use their freedom os speech in this negative and harmful manner.

It is not only government which limits our behavior - but the intelligent and civilized person knows when to police their own behavior and curb their own negative tendencies. One could make the argument that it is only when good people fail to do just that which then spurs others to advocate for government action.
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This all good and well (except this part "It is not only government which limits our behavior...") but you're leaving out important parts that makes your argument fall apart further. By tying this to Orlando you leave out the fact that radical Islam terrorism is involved, poor view of the Western ways, and, most importantly, apparently the killer himself had homosexual tendencies.
 
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haymarket said:
One thing that is obvious to me coming out of the terrible events of a week ago in Orlando is that all the gay bashing and homophobic language in our society contributes to an environment which makes acts like this possible since the perpetrator can rationalize it as somehow justified on a marginalized and outsider group who is openly mocked, scorned and ridiculed by even decent people.

I would hope we lear a valuable lesson from the 49 people killed and the lesson is one thing we all can do is STOP OUR OWN HATE SPEECH.

No more gay jokes.

No more derogatory 'homo' references.

No more attacks on somebody saying they perform homosexual acts. to demean or insult them.

No more. Enough is enough.

I remember being in grade school and there was this boy who was very awkward and had rather large buck teeth and was puny and small and lots of other kids used to tease him rather badly. And I also participated from time to time. And then one day when he stood up to recite something, a kid pulled his chair back and when he sat down he banged his chin on the desk and messed up some teeth pretty badly.

Now this was a Catholic school and there was hell to pay for that as the boy who did it was never seen again after that day being expelled. And the rest of us were lectured with great severity about what happened and how we made it all possible. And that boy was never picked on again as far as I know since we all say that enough is enough.

Lets learn from Orlando and each pledge to abstain from homophobic hate speech even if we think its harmless or just teasing or playing around or any other phony justification we can think up to defend its use.

ENOUGH IS ENOUGH and the solution to the problem starts with each of us.
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This hate speech business is a two-way street (or is it?). If we ban homosexual slurs, then what about banning "Bible-thumper", "Tali-bornagain", "Holy Roller" and such things? Or is just another "targeted" right for "protected classes"? You do realize that the concept of a "protected class" amounts to royalty and destroys the concept of equal protection under the law? The result of what you propose is a passive-aggressive society where no one explains their actions or gives a false reason for their actions.

If all else fails, there's "I just don't like that person", or would you prohibit that too?
 
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MACS-24 said:
This all good and well (except this part "It is not only government which limits our behavior...") but you're leaving out important parts that makes your argument fall apart further. By tying this to Orlando you leave out the fact that radical Islam terrorism is involved, poor view of the Western ways, and, most importantly, apparently the killer himself had homosexual tendencies.
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My argument does not fall apart but you going way to far certainly hurts yours. Yes - it looks like the killer had his own sexual identity problems. Yes, it looks like there were issues of identification with Islamic radicalism thrown in also. But why does that necessarily mean that there is not also the issue of hate speech making attacks on gay people ever so much easier and even accepted in an increasing atmosphere of hate?

This is not a either or choice.
 
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SDET said:
This hate speech business is a two-way street (or is it?). If we ban homosexual slurs, then what about banning "Bible-thumper", "Tali-bornagain", "Holy Roller" and such things? Or is just another "targeted" right for "protected classes"? You do realize that the concept of a "protected class" amounts to royalty and destroys the concept of equal protection under the law? The result of what you propose is a passive-aggressive society where no one explains their actions or gives a false reason for their actions.

If all else fails, there's "I just don't like that person", or would you prohibit that too?
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What I have noticed is that too many people here do not want give up insulting other groups of people attacking them. Its amazing what we cling to and justify all in the name of free speech.
 
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haymarket said:
What I have noticed is that too many people here do not want give up insulting other groups of people attacking them. Its amazing what we cling to and justify all in the name of free speech.
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Let's just say that option should be there. Something mandated doesn't represent tolerance. The mandate itself breeds resentment which breeds intolerance. Most people don't like being dictated to.
 
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haymarket said:
My argument does not fall apart but you going way to far certainly hurts yours. Yes - it looks like the killer had his own sexual identity problems. Yes, it looks like there were issues of identification with Islamic radicalism thrown in also. But why does that necessarily mean that there is not also the issue of hate speech making attacks on gay people ever so much easier and even accepted in an increasing atmosphere of hate?

This is not a either or choice.
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Why ask me? I'm not the one trying to tie the two together. It's your OP.
 
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SDET said:
Let's just say that option should be there. Something mandated doesn't represent tolerance. The mandate itself breeds resentment which breeds intolerance. Most people don't like being dictated to.
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Which is why I have clearly stated this should be a voluntary pledge that people take.
 
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MACS-24 said:
Why ask me? I'm not the one trying to tie the two together. It's your OP.
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Do you know what a rhetorical question is?
 
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haymarket said:
One thing that is obvious to me coming out of the terrible events of a week ago in Orlando is that all the gay bashing and homophobic language in our society contributes to an environment which makes acts like this possible since the perpetrator can rationalize it as somehow justified on a marginalized and outsider group who is openly mocked, scorned and ridiculed by even decent people.

I would hope we lear a valuable lesson from the 49 people killed and the lesson is one thing we all can do is STOP OUR OWN HATE SPEECH.

No more gay jokes.

No more derogatory 'homo' references.

No more attacks on somebody saying they perform homosexual acts. to demean or insult them.

No more. Enough is enough.

I remember being in grade school and there was this boy who was very awkward and had rather large buck teeth and was puny and small and lots of other kids used to tease him rather badly. And I also participated from time to time. And then one day when he stood up to recite something, a kid pulled his chair back and when he sat down he banged his chin on the desk and messed up some teeth pretty badly.

Now this was a Catholic school and there was hell to pay for that as the boy who did it was never seen again after that day being expelled. And the rest of us were lectured with great severity about what happened and how we made it all possible. And that boy was never picked on again as far as I know since we all say that enough is enough.

Lets learn from Orlando and each pledge to abstain from homophobic hate speech even if we think its harmless or just teasing or playing around or any other phony justification we can think up to defend its use.

ENOUGH IS ENOUGH and the solution to the problem starts with each of us.
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If it has anything more than superficially to do with homosexuality, then I hope that that group has learned not to be so provocative. Because the nuts won't have learned anything and that they die won't help the homosexuals at all.
 
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MACS-24 said:
Is this one? :mrgreen:
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Well played. ;)

Pretty much as I figured you did know that... but you missed identifying it in my post where I used the device to make a point that this is not an either or binary choice.
 
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Count me in, Haymarket. I'll take the pledge.
 
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haymarket said:
One thing that is obvious to me coming out of the terrible events of a week ago in Orlando is that all the gay bashing and homophobic language in our society contributes to an environment which makes acts like this possible since the perpetrator can rationalize it as somehow justified on a marginalized and outsider group who is openly mocked, scorned and ridiculed by even decent people.

I would hope we lear a valuable lesson from the 49 people killed and the lesson is one thing we all can do is STOP OUR OWN HATE SPEECH.

No more gay jokes.

No more derogatory 'homo' references.

No more attacks on somebody saying they perform homosexual acts. to demean or insult them.

No more. Enough is enough.

I remember being in grade school and there was this boy who was very awkward and had rather large buck teeth and was puny and small and lots of other kids used to tease him rather badly. And I also participated from time to time. And then one day when he stood up to recite something, a kid pulled his chair back and when he sat down he banged his chin on the desk and messed up some teeth pretty badly.

Now this was a Catholic school and there was hell to pay for that as the boy who did it was never seen again after that day being expelled. And the rest of us were lectured with great severity about what happened and how we made it all possible. And that boy was never picked on again as far as I know since we all say that enough is enough.

Lets learn from Orlando and each pledge to abstain from homophobic hate speech even if we think its harmless or just teasing or playing around or any other phony justification we can think up to defend its use.

ENOUGH IS ENOUGH and the solution to the problem starts with each of us.
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I agree: Hate Speech is Evil. Laws regulating speech are Greater Evil.
 
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Hawkeye10 said:
But no, we cant have that, what we got was more victims culture tripe, as if we dont have way too much of that already.
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Why? Maybe UK should jail thousands rather then hundreds of people for offensive Social Media posts?
 
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_Sal said:
words can cut deeper than a knife

when someone is the butt of a joke and ridicule, it is abuse if they are not strong enough to take it

learning to live with it by toughening up is not a bad thing, but how do you know that you aren't the 90th person to ridicule them that day?

you don't
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This is the kind of attitude that causes so much of the "safe space" mentality in today's culture. Words don't cut deeper than a knife. Knifes and physical harm do a lot worse to a person. If someone says something you don't like you know what you do? Tell them off, and go with your life. No one's words can damage you unless you let them. Unless the words get to a point where you are fearful of physical assault, you need to get over it.
 
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SCitizen said:
In UK, hundreds of people are jailed for offensive tweets.
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That's one of the many reasons why the UK is the laughing stock of any freedom lover.
 
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ajn678 said:
No one's words can damage you unless you let them. Unless the words get to a point where you are fearful of physical assault, you need to get over it.
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Well said. Is calling somebody a bigot, racist, homophobe, or xenophobe a love speech? How about Trump is Hitler?

Why, when hate speech is the subject, do I have this feeling that liberals are never the target audience?
 
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legalimmigrant said:
Well said. Is calling somebody a bigot, racist, homophobe, or xenophobe a love speech? How about Trump is Hitler?

Why, when hate speech is the subject, do I have this feeling that liberals are never the target audience?
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Hate speech is otherwise known as "words that Liberals don't like."
 
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ajn678 said:
Hate speech is otherwise known as "words that Liberals don't like."
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Otherwise known as "words that slay", because in so many moderns there is so little there there that words are allowed to have the power to slay.

I did warn Ya'll that I am a truth teller, rare as we may be these days...sorry/not sorry.
 
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How about I just say what I want whenever I want.
 
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Henrin said:
How about I just say what I want whenever I want.
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YES, YOU GET THE ORDER!

I knew you are smart.

Now follow it.

Or else.


EDIT: I read that as "How about I just say what I want whenever you want"....sorry/not sorry.





*sarcasm*
 
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