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One thing that is obvious to me coming out of the terrible events of a week ago in Orlando is that all the gay bashing and homophobic language in our society contributes to an environment which makes acts like this possible since the perpetrator can rationalize it as somehow justified on a marginalized and outsider group who is openly mocked, scorned and ridiculed by even decent people.

I would hope we lear a valuable lesson from the 49 people killed and the lesson is one thing we all can do is STOP OUR OWN HATE SPEECH.

No more gay jokes.

No more derogatory 'homo' references.

No more attacks on somebody saying they perform homosexual acts. to demean or insult them.

No more. Enough is enough.

I remember being in grade school and there was this boy who was very awkward and had rather large buck teeth and was puny and small and lots of other kids used to tease him rather badly. And I also participated from time to time. And then one day when he stood up to recite something, a kid pulled his chair back and when he sat down he banged his chin on the desk and messed up some teeth pretty badly.

Now this was a Catholic school and there was hell to pay for that as the boy who did it was never seen again after that day being expelled. And the rest of us were lectured with great severity about what happened and how we made it all possible. And that boy was never picked on again as far as I know since we all say that enough is enough.

Lets learn from Orlando and each pledge to abstain from homophobic hate speech even if we think its harmless or just teasing or playing around or any other phony justification we can think up to defend its use.

ENOUGH IS ENOUGH and the solution to the problem starts with each of us.
 
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haymarket said:
One thing that is obvious to me coming out of the terrible events of a week ago in Orlando is that all the gay bashing and homophobic language in our society contributes to an environment which makes acts like this possible since the perpetrator can rationalize it as somehow justified on a marginalized and outsider group who is openly mocked, scorned and ridiculed by even decent people.

I would hope we lear a valuable lesson from the 49 people killed and the lesson is one thing we all can do is STOP OUR OWN HATE SPEECH.

No more gay jokes.

No more derogatory 'homo' references.

No more attacks on somebody saying they perform homosexual acts. to demean or insult them.

No more. Enough is enough.

I remember being in grade school and there was this boy who was very awkward and had rather large buck teeth and was puny and small and lots of other kids used to tease him rather badly. And I also participated from time to time. And then one day when he stood up to recite something, a kid pulled his chair back and when he sat down he banged his chin on the desk and messed up some teeth pretty badly.

Now this was a Catholic school and there was hell to pay for that as the boy who did it was never seen again after that day being expelled. And the rest of us were lectured with great severity about what happened and how we made it all possible. And that boy was never picked on again as far as I know since we all say that enough is enough.

Lets learn from Orlando and each pledge to abstain from homophobic hate speech even if we think its harmless or just teasing or playing around or any other phony justification we can think up to defend its use.

ENOUGH IS ENOUGH and the solution to the problem starts with each of us.
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Hmmmmm...I'm not sure you understand what hate speech is.
 
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haymarket said:
One thing that is obvious to me coming out of the terrible events of a week ago in Orlando is that all the gay bashing and homophobic language in our society contributes to an environment which makes acts like this possible since the perpetrator can rationalize it as somehow justified on a marginalized and outsider group who is openly mocked, scorned and ridiculed by even decent people.

I would hope we lear a valuable lesson from the 49 people killed and the lesson is one thing we all can do is STOP OUR OWN HATE SPEECH.

No more gay jokes.

No more derogatory 'homo' references.

No more attacks on somebody saying they perform homosexual acts. to demean or insult them.

No more. Enough is enough.

I remember being in grade school and there was this boy who was very awkward and had rather large buck teeth and was puny and small and lots of other kids used to tease him rather badly. And I also participated from time to time. And then one day when he stood up to recite something, a kid pulled his chair back and when he sat down he banged his chin on the desk and messed up some teeth pretty badly.

Now this was a Catholic school and there was hell to pay for that as the boy who did it was never seen again after that day being expelled. And the rest of us were lectured with great severity about what happened and how we made it all possible. And that boy was never picked on again as far as I know since we all say that enough is enough.

Lets learn from Orlando and each pledge to abstain from homophobic hate speech even if we think its harmless or just teasing or playing around or any other phony justification we can think up to defend its use.

ENOUGH IS ENOUGH and the solution to the problem starts with each of us.
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It is true that hate speech--real hate speech which does not necessarily include politically incorrect speech--should be socially reviled. We should teach our children to have courage to allow--not condone, not agree with, but allow--others to be who and what they are so long as they do not violate the rights of others. And we should teach our children to be kind to all in all circumstances. And we should all lead by example including our interactions on message boards.

This we should do as civilized sentient beings.

But no part of that would have dissuaded a Islamic extremist bent on murder from doing murder when he had opportunity to do so.
 
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So I can't say, "He left home because he didn't like the way he was being reared, but came back because he couldn't leave his little brothers behind"? :mrgreen:
 
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JumpinJack said:
Hmmmmm...I'm not sure you understand what hate speech is.
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Oh but I do. And enough is enough.

Can you explain me the positive assets of making gay jokes or accusing people of homosexual activities simply to demean them? How is that not hateful?
 
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haymarket said:
One thing that is obvious to me coming out of the terrible events of a week ago in Orlando is that all the gay bashing and homophobic language in our society contributes to an environment which makes acts like this possible since the perpetrator can rationalize it as somehow justified on a marginalized and outsider group who is openly mocked, scorned and ridiculed by even decent people.

I would hope we lear a valuable lesson from the 49 people killed and the lesson is one thing we all can do is STOP OUR OWN HATE SPEECH.

No more gay jokes.

No more derogatory 'homo' references.

No more attacks on somebody saying they perform homosexual acts. to demean or insult them.

No more. Enough is enough.

I remember being in grade school and there was this boy who was very awkward and had rather large buck teeth and was puny and small and lots of other kids used to tease him rather badly. And I also participated from time to time. And then one day when he stood up to recite something, a kid pulled his chair back and when he sat down he banged his chin on the desk and messed up some teeth pretty badly.

Now this was a Catholic school and there was hell to pay for that as the boy who did it was never seen again after that day being expelled. And the rest of us were lectured with great severity about what happened and how we made it all possible. And that boy was never picked on again as far as I know since we all say that enough is enough.

Lets learn from Orlando and each pledge to abstain from homophobic hate speech even if we think its harmless or just teasing or playing around or any other phony justification we can think up to defend its use.

ENOUGH IS ENOUGH and the solution to the problem starts with each of us.
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I think this is something all good people attempt to curb

but

the desire must come from the heart first

you can't legislate love
 
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haymarket said:
Oh but I do. And enough is enough.

Can you explain me the positive assets of making gay jokes or accusing people of homosexual activities simply to demean them? How is that not hateful?
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Jokes don't hurt anybody.
 
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Tigerace117 said:
Jokes don't hurt anybody.
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words can cut deeper than a knife

when someone is the butt of a joke and ridicule, it is abuse if they are not strong enough to take it

learning to live with it by toughening up is not a bad thing, but how do you know that you aren't the 90th person to ridicule them that day?

you don't
 
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Freedom of speech, if it's about stopping hate why not cease with labeling people of faith as "bigots" or to hate those that disagree with the LGBT or even the typical promiscuous straight community on their sexual ethics? It's just as much a deed of hate to mock people of faith, apply labels to them out of spite (like bigot, etc), and act holier-than-thou towards those that hold different morals regarding sex and the family. I'm all for not mocking people based on their orientation, but the love and respect should go both ways.

Then again, I also oppose hate speech laws, someone taking offense and branding something as "hate" should not be grounds to infringe upon ones freedom of speech.
 
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haymarket said:
One thing that is obvious to me coming out of the terrible events of a week ago in Orlando is that all the gay bashing and homophobic language in our society contributes to an environment which makes acts like this possible since the perpetrator can rationalize it as somehow justified on a marginalized and outsider group who is openly mocked, scorned and ridiculed by even decent people.

I would hope we lear a valuable lesson from the 49 people killed and the lesson is one thing we all can do is STOP OUR OWN HATE SPEECH.

No more gay jokes.

No more derogatory 'homo' references.

No more attacks on somebody saying they perform homosexual acts. to demean or insult them.

No more. Enough is enough.

I remember being in grade school and there was this boy who was very awkward and had rather large buck teeth and was puny and small and lots of other kids used to tease him rather badly. And I also participated from time to time. And then one day when he stood up to recite something, a kid pulled his chair back and when he sat down he banged his chin on the desk and messed up some teeth pretty badly.

Now this was a Catholic school and there was hell to pay for that as the boy who did it was never seen again after that day being expelled. And the rest of us were lectured with great severity about what happened and how we made it all possible. And that boy was never picked on again as far as I know since we all say that enough is enough.

Lets learn from Orlando and each pledge to abstain from homophobic hate speech even if we think its harmless or just teasing or playing around or any other phony justification we can think up to defend its use.

ENOUGH IS ENOUGH and the solution to the problem starts with each of us.
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I assume this post is sarcasm
 
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No thanks..
 
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haymarket said:
One thing that is obvious to me coming out of the terrible events of a week ago in Orlando is that all the gay bashing and homophobic language in our society contributes to an environment which makes acts like this possible since the perpetrator can rationalize it as somehow justified on a marginalized and outsider group who is openly mocked, scorned and ridiculed by even decent people.

I would hope we lear a valuable lesson from the 49 people killed and the lesson is one thing we all can do is STOP OUR OWN HATE SPEECH.

No more gay jokes.

No more derogatory 'homo' references.

No more attacks on somebody saying they perform homosexual acts. to demean or insult them.

No more. Enough is enough..
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It's not a bad idea to refrain from insulting and demeaning anyone -- for any reason -- but, although I think your heart is in the right place, I fear that we cannot control the fundamentalists in a religion that demands the death penalty for homosexuals. It will take decades, if ever, to successfully denounce those tenets to the extent that they lose their hold.

On a personal level, however, it's a good idea.
 
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haymarket said:
One thing that is obvious to me coming out of the terrible events of a week ago in Orlando is that all the gay bashing and homophobic language in our society contributes to an environment which makes acts like this possible since the perpetrator can rationalize it as somehow justified on a marginalized and outsider group who is openly mocked, scorned and ridiculed by even decent people.
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I think that is total crap and just another example of how leftists like yourself do everything you can to point the finger of blame for any and every evil on Americans.
 
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_Sal said:
I think this is something all good people attempt to curb

but

the desire must come from the heart first

you can't legislate love
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Well said.... I agree - which is why I put this in the form of a plea for a personal pledge from individuals.
 
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Tigerace117 said:
Jokes don't hurt anybody.
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They contribute to an atmosphere that it is acceptable to attack a group for qualities that identify them.
 
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JumpinJack said:
Hmmmmm...I'm not sure you understand what hate speech is.
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I'm sure I don't. I've always thought it was any speech that a liberal didn't like. "Good morning." "Oh, my god, I can't take any more of this."

I don't accept homophobic comments, I don't let them pass without a comment, I don't laugh at the jokes, but I'm rather glad the nitwits can say what they want so I know who they are.
 
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haymarket said:
They contribute to an atmosphere that it is acceptable to attack a group for qualities that identify them.
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As long as the joke wasn't meant with malicious intent I don't see the problem.

There was this guy I played baseball with a few years ago. He was Jewish and still constantly told Jew jokes.
 
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Tigerace117 said:
As long as the joke wasn't meant with malicious intent I don't see the problem.

There was this guy I played baseball with a few years ago. He was Jewish and still constantly told Jew jokes.
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And if the use of homosexual jokes or attacks clearly is malicious?
 
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haymarket said:
And if the use of homosexual jokes or attacks clearly is malicious?
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Well,it depends. Humor sometimes walks a fine line between being funny and offensive.
 
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digsbe said:
Freedom of speech, if it's about stopping hate why not cease with labeling people of faith as "bigots" or to hate those that disagree with the LGBT or even the typical promiscuous straight community on their sexual ethics? It's just as much a deed of hate to mock people of faith, apply labels to them out of spite (like bigot, etc), and act holier-than-thou towards those that hold different morals regarding sex and the family. I'm all for not mocking people based on their orientation, but the love and respect should go both ways.

Then again, I also oppose hate speech laws, someone taking offense and branding something as "hate" should not be grounds to infringe upon ones freedom of speech.
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Good on you.

I was so hoping that this was what the thread was about when I saw the title.

But no, we cant have that, what we got was more victims culture tripe, as if we dont have way too much of that already.
 
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Crovax said:
I assume this post is sarcasm
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Oh please let it be.....

But ya know, after Andy Kaufman there is no excuse for not knowing that the performer has to let the audience in on the joke.
 
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Hawkeye10 said:
Oh please let it be.....

But ya know, after Andy Kaufman there is no excuse for not knowing that the performer has to let the audience in on the joke.
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Im still waiting for him to just randomly show up on the tonight show set like nothing ever happened.
 
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Crovax said:
Im still waiting for him to just randomly show up on the tonight show set like nothing ever happened.
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What a wasted opportunity Kaufman was to be sure, a near miss, the dude was brilliant in a very twisted way, but then all the best comedians are freaks.

Now I am waiting for Haymarket to explain himself.

I like the guy, I hope this bad idea is not for real.

I hope he tells us this is an Andy Kaufman gag.
 
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haymarket said:
One thing that is obvious to me coming out of the terrible events of a week ago in Orlando is that all the gay bashing and homophobic language in our society contributes to an environment which makes acts like this possible since the perpetrator can rationalize it as somehow justified on a marginalized and outsider group who is openly mocked, scorned and ridiculed by even decent people.

I would hope we lear a valuable lesson from the 49 people killed and the lesson is one thing we all can do is STOP OUR OWN HATE SPEECH.

No more gay jokes.

No more derogatory 'homo' references.

No more attacks on somebody saying they perform homosexual acts. to demean or insult them.

No more. Enough is enough.

I remember being in grade school and there was this boy who was very awkward and had rather large buck teeth and was puny and small and lots of other kids used to tease him rather badly. And I also participated from time to time. And then one day when he stood up to recite something, a kid pulled his chair back and when he sat down he banged his chin on the desk and messed up some teeth pretty badly.

Now this was a Catholic school and there was hell to pay for that as the boy who did it was never seen again after that day being expelled. And the rest of us were lectured with great severity about what happened and how we made it all possible. And that boy was never picked on again as far as I know since we all say that enough is enough.

Lets learn from Orlando and each pledge to abstain from homophobic hate speech even if we think its harmless or just teasing or playing around or any other phony justification we can think up to defend its use.

ENOUGH IS ENOUGH and the solution to the problem starts with each of us.
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Is this really a Freedom of Speech issue? A nice rant but the 1st is about what the gov't can't do. By the way, I'll go along with this if you agree no more hate speech to NRA members.
 
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