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    Re: Pledge: no more HATE SPEECH

    Quote Originally Posted by digsbe View Post
    Freedom of speech, if it's about stopping hate why not cease with labeling people of faith as "bigots" or to hate those that disagree with the LGBT or even the typical promiscuous straight community on their sexual ethics? It's just as much a deed of hate to mock people of faith, apply labels to them out of spite (like bigot, etc), and act holier-than-thou towards those that hold different morals regarding sex and the family. I'm all for not mocking people based on their orientation, but the love and respect should go both ways.

    Then again, I also oppose hate speech laws, someone taking offense and branding something as "hate" should not be grounds to infringe upon ones freedom of speech.
    Good on you.

    I was so hoping that this was what the thread was about when I saw the title.

    But no, we cant have that, what we got was more victims culture tripe, as if we dont have way too much of that already.
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    Re: Pledge: no more HATE SPEECH

    Quote Originally Posted by Crovax View Post
    I assume this post is sarcasm
    Oh please let it be.....

    But ya know, after Andy Kaufman there is no excuse for not knowing that the performer has to let the audience in on the joke.
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    Re: Pledge: no more HATE SPEECH

    Quote Originally Posted by Hawkeye10 View Post
    Oh please let it be.....

    But ya know, after Andy Kaufman there is no excuse for not knowing that the performer has to let the audience in on the joke.
    Im still waiting for him to just randomly show up on the tonight show set like nothing ever happened.

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    Re: Pledge: no more HATE SPEECH

    Quote Originally Posted by Crovax View Post
    Im still waiting for him to just randomly show up on the tonight show set like nothing ever happened.
    What a wasted opportunity Kaufman was to be sure, a near miss, the dude was brilliant in a very twisted way, but then all the best comedians are freaks.

    Now I am waiting for Haymarket to explain himself.

    I like the guy, I hope this bad idea is not for real.

    I hope he tells us this is an Andy Kaufman gag.
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    Re: Pledge: no more HATE SPEECH

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    One thing that is obvious to me coming out of the terrible events of a week ago in Orlando is that all the gay bashing and homophobic language in our society contributes to an environment which makes acts like this possible since the perpetrator can rationalize it as somehow justified on a marginalized and outsider group who is openly mocked, scorned and ridiculed by even decent people.

    I would hope we lear a valuable lesson from the 49 people killed and the lesson is one thing we all can do is STOP OUR OWN HATE SPEECH.

    No more gay jokes.

    No more derogatory 'homo' references.

    No more attacks on somebody saying they perform homosexual acts. to demean or insult them.

    No more. Enough is enough.

    I remember being in grade school and there was this boy who was very awkward and had rather large buck teeth and was puny and small and lots of other kids used to tease him rather badly. And I also participated from time to time. And then one day when he stood up to recite something, a kid pulled his chair back and when he sat down he banged his chin on the desk and messed up some teeth pretty badly.

    Now this was a Catholic school and there was hell to pay for that as the boy who did it was never seen again after that day being expelled. And the rest of us were lectured with great severity about what happened and how we made it all possible. And that boy was never picked on again as far as I know since we all say that enough is enough.

    Lets learn from Orlando and each pledge to abstain from homophobic hate speech even if we think its harmless or just teasing or playing around or any other phony justification we can think up to defend its use.

    ENOUGH IS ENOUGH and the solution to the problem starts with each of us.
    Is this really a Freedom of Speech issue? A nice rant but the 1st is about what the gov't can't do. By the way, I'll go along with this if you agree no more hate speech to NRA members.

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    Re: Pledge: no more HATE SPEECH

    Quote Originally Posted by MACS-24 View Post
    Is this really a Freedom of Speech issue? A nice rant but the 1st is about what the gov't can't do. By the way, I'll go along with this if you agree no more hate speech to NRA members.
    I have always felt the vast majority of NRA members are decent and good people and would never direct hate speech at them just because they are members of a badly led organization which has allowed itself to become radically politicized and betray the good public service it had previously provided to the nation.
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    Re: Pledge: no more HATE SPEECH

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    I have always felt the vast majority of NRA members are decent and good people and would never direct hate speech at them just because they are members of a badly led organization which has allowed itself to become radically politicized and betray the good public service it had previously provided to the nation.
    How is your OP a Freedom of Speech issue?

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    Re: Pledge: no more HATE SPEECH

    Quote Originally Posted by MACS-24 View Post
    How is your OP a Freedom of Speech issue?
    People use freedom of speech to spew hate speech which contributes to an environment of hate and intolerance which translated into terrible violence just a week ago.

    I am joining in an effort to ask people to step up and acknowledge this and voluntarily agree to pledge to not use their freedom os speech in this negative and harmful manner.

    It is not only government which limits our behavior - but the intelligent and civilized person knows when to police their own behavior and curb their own negative tendencies. One could make the argument that it is only when good people fail to do just that which then spurs others to advocate for government action.
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    Re: Pledge: no more HATE SPEECH

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    People use freedom of speech to spew hate speech which contributes to an environment of hate and intolerance which translated into terrible violence just a week ago.

    I am joining in an effort to ask people to step up and acknowledge this and voluntarily agree to pledge to not use their freedom os speech in this negative and harmful manner.

    It is not only government which limits our behavior - but the intelligent and civilized person knows when to police their own behavior and curb their own negative tendencies. One could make the argument that it is only when good people fail to do just that which then spurs others to advocate for government action.
    This all good and well (except this part "It is not only government which limits our behavior...") but you're leaving out important parts that makes your argument fall apart further. By tying this to Orlando you leave out the fact that radical Islam terrorism is involved, poor view of the Western ways, and, most importantly, apparently the killer himself had homosexual tendencies.

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    Re: Pledge: no more HATE SPEECH

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    One thing that is obvious to me coming out of the terrible events of a week ago in Orlando is that all the gay bashing and homophobic language in our society contributes to an environment which makes acts like this possible since the perpetrator can rationalize it as somehow justified on a marginalized and outsider group who is openly mocked, scorned and ridiculed by even decent people.

    I would hope we lear a valuable lesson from the 49 people killed and the lesson is one thing we all can do is STOP OUR OWN HATE SPEECH.

    No more gay jokes.

    No more derogatory 'homo' references.

    No more attacks on somebody saying they perform homosexual acts. to demean or insult them.

    No more. Enough is enough.

    I remember being in grade school and there was this boy who was very awkward and had rather large buck teeth and was puny and small and lots of other kids used to tease him rather badly. And I also participated from time to time. And then one day when he stood up to recite something, a kid pulled his chair back and when he sat down he banged his chin on the desk and messed up some teeth pretty badly.

    Now this was a Catholic school and there was hell to pay for that as the boy who did it was never seen again after that day being expelled. And the rest of us were lectured with great severity about what happened and how we made it all possible. And that boy was never picked on again as far as I know since we all say that enough is enough.

    Lets learn from Orlando and each pledge to abstain from homophobic hate speech even if we think its harmless or just teasing or playing around or any other phony justification we can think up to defend its use.

    ENOUGH IS ENOUGH and the solution to the problem starts with each of us.
    This hate speech business is a two-way street (or is it?). If we ban homosexual slurs, then what about banning "Bible-thumper", "Tali-bornagain", "Holy Roller" and such things? Or is just another "targeted" right for "protected classes"? You do realize that the concept of a "protected class" amounts to royalty and destroys the concept of equal protection under the law? The result of what you propose is a passive-aggressive society where no one explains their actions or gives a false reason for their actions.

    If all else fails, there's "I just don't like that person", or would you prohibit that too?
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