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What the Health? -- on Netflix

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Has anyone seen it? What do you think?

It's about animal protein (meat, dairy and eggs) being the cause of diabetes, heart disease and other chronic illnesses.

 
Josie said:
Has anyone seen it? What do you think?

It's about animal protein (meat, dairy and eggs) being the cause of diabetes, heart disease and other chronic illnesses.
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I tread lightly when I scroll through Netflix titles, there's quite a bit of propaganda for some reason.

That said, my doctor seems pretty convinced that a exponential increase in the consumption of sugars and carbohydrates combined with sedentary lifestyles is the primary cause of the rise in type 2 diabetees
 
Fenton said:
I tread lightly when I scroll through Netflix titles, there's quite a bit of propaganda for some reason.

That said, my doctor seems pretty convinced that a exponential increase in the consumption of sugars and carbohydrates combined with sedentary lifestyles is the primary cause of the rise in type 2 diabetees
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The doctor in this documentary who spoke about diabetes said "Diabetes is not and has not ever been caused by eating a diet high in carbs and sugars." He said the high fat content in animal protein creates insulin resistance.
 
Josie said:
The doctor in this documentary who spoke about diabetes said "Diabetes is not and has not ever been caused by eating a diet high in carbs and sugars." He said the high fat content in animal protein creates insulin resistance.
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He's wrong.

The type of diet you eat probably has little effect upon the development of diabetes, especially compared to the other huge risk factors at play.

source: Pharmacist who has been lecturing about and researching diabetes drugs for decades, and has probably logged more hours at ADA educational sessions than most people spend in college classrooms their entire career.
 
Threegoofs said:
He's wrong.

The type of diet you eat probably has little effect upon the development of diabetes, especially compared to the other huge risk factors at play.

source: Pharmacist who has been lecturing about and researching diabetes drugs for decades, and has probably logged more hours at ADA educational sessions than most people spend in college classrooms their entire career.
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Then what does cause diabetes if not your diet? We're talking type 2 here, I'm assuming.
 
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Josie said:
The doctor in this documentary who spoke about diabetes said "Diabetes is not and has not ever been caused by eating a diet high in carbs and sugars." He said the high fat content in animal protein creates insulin resistance.
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Human beings have been consuming meat and dairy products for millenia, sugar not so much.

There has been a dramtic rise in type 2 diabetees the world over in just the last couple of decades, and its been tied to a increase in sugar and carbohydrate consumption along with a more sedentary lifestyle.

Now children and teens are being diagnosed with adult type 2 diabetees

Did you know one can of Dr Pepper has the equivalent of over 10 tea spoons of sugar in it ? ( 1 tea spoon = 5g and there's 64g of sugar in a Dr Pepper )

Mountain Dew has the most with 77g of sugar per 12oz can.
 
Josie said:
The doctor in this documentary who spoke about diabetes said "Diabetes is not and has not ever been caused by eating a diet high in carbs and sugars." He said the high fat content in animal protein creates insulin resistance.
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Ok, I just found it on Net Flix and Ill take a look at it later
 
Fenton said:
Human beings have been consuming meat and dairy products for millenia, sugar not so much.

There has been a dramtic rise in type 2 diabetees the world over in just the last couple of decades, and its been tied to a increase in sugar and carbohydrate consumption along with a more sedentary lifestyle.

Now children and teens are being diagnosed with adult type 2 diabetees

Did you know one can of Dr Pepper has the equivalent of over 10 tea spoons of sugar in it ? ( 1 tea spoon = 5g and there's 64g of sugar in a Dr Pepper )

Mountain Dew has the most with 77g of sugar per 12oz can.
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I don't know who is right -- I just find these kind of documentaries fascinating. It wasn't without some hyperbolic graphics, descriptions and opinions (including, of course, how the government nutrition info is racist because it calls for eating/drinking dairy - yep). Back in college I read Marilu Henner's book about how dairy is horrible for you - I've been interested in things like that ever since.
 
Josie said:
Then what does cause diabetes if not your diet? We're talking type 2 here, I'm assuming.
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Yes, T2DM.

Genetics are huge.

Weight is another one- which obviously is linked to diet, but if you are a pastatarian that weighs 350lbs or a meat eater that weighs 350....you're probably gonna develop T2DM.
 
Josie said:
Has anyone seen it? What do you think?

It's about animal protein (meat, dairy and eggs) being the cause of diabetes, heart disease and other chronic illnesses.
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I'm not going to pretend to know any major details about how this stuff works, but I know multiple people that have had diabetes and gone Keto (High fat, low carb and sugar) and their symptoms have virtually disappeared. It seems like a 180 from what you are talking about.
 
Weight loss with exercise can reverse type 2 diabetes. There are all manner of diets that can lead to that weight loss. Different people will find different diets easier to stick to. And most diets work...if you stick to them.
 
Threegoofs said:
Yes, T2DM.

Genetics are huge.

Weight is another one- which obviously is linked to diet, but if you are a pastatarian that weighs 350lbs or a meat eater that weighs 350....you're probably gonna develop T2DM.
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I'm not sure I believe the genetics one. I think it's much more about habits being handed down. If you have type 2 diabetes in your family, but you didn't pick up the unhealthy eating and sedentary habits and are a healthy weight and eat well you can still have type 2 diabetes? That doesn't make sense to me. I've never heard of a person who eats healthy and exercises regularly having type 2 diabetes.
 
Skeptic Bob said:
Weight loss with exercise can reverse type 2 diabetes. There are all manner of diets that can lead to that weight loss. Different people will find different diets easier to stick to. And most diets work...if you stick to them.
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That's what the American Diabetes Association head said in the documentary. The "host" was interviewing him and was trying to start a debate about what you should actually be eating and the doctor stopped the interview. I agree that diets work if you stick to them - and you'll lose weight and improve your health. I don't believe what this documentary is trying to say -- that only with a plant-based diet will you truly be healthy.
 
Josie said:
I'm not sure I believe the genetics one. I think it's much more about habits being handed down. If you have type 2 diabetes in your family, but you didn't pick up the unhealthy eating and sedentary habits and are a healthy weight and eat well you can still have type 2 diabetes? That doesn't make sense to me. I've never heard of a person who eats healthy and exercises regularly having type 2 diabetes.
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Well, facts don't really care what you believe.

Genetics play a huge role.

And diabetes does exist in thin individuals with good diets. It's not common in the US, but you'll see it in other nations around the world.

In fact, my paternal grandmother had T2DM, and she probably weighed about 100 lbs.

Diet and exercise play a large role, of course, which is why we are seeing an explosion of diabetes in the US and many other developed nations.
 
Native Americans if I recall correctly have a high incidence rate of type 2. Now I believe it has been associated with the dramatic increase in sugars their diet has seen compared to their ancestors. Of course if their ancestors had it as well it would not have been known about
 
Lord Tammerlain said:
Native Americans if I recall correctly have a high incidence rate of type 2. Now I believe it has been associated with the dramatic increase in sugars their diet has seen compared to their ancestors. Of course if their ancestors had it as well it would not have been known about
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The genetic basis for Native American T2DM is well known- lots of great data comes from the Pima Indian population.

It isn't sugar in this case- it's general increased caloric intake and a relatively sedentary lifestyle. They are prone to marked obesity because they are genetically predisposed to store excess calories efficiently.
 
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