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Plant-Based Food Isn’t Just Helping the Planet, It’s Helping the U.S. Economy[W:47]

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SMTA said:
Impressive.

I knew the logic to be true, but I did not know why.

Thank you for a clear explanation.
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I used my google-fu. :) that and I am on a very strict diet right now a so I have to very careful as to what I eat, to keep my body in ketosis. Ol fat boy needs to lose weight on a more permanent basis. That means a diet change. I am a Coca-Cola, and sugar addict. Going cold turkey. That means I have to avoid sugar in almost any quantity, carbohydrates in almost any quantity, so no pasta, grains and cereals. No processed sugar or fruits. I have to eat grass fed beef and other naturally raised meats with minimal processing and higher fat content, lots of nuts and oils and lower sugar vegetables along with plenty of dairy and fish and eggs. Believe it or not it is harder to do than one would think. I cant eat more than 4 grams of sugar a day or I lose ketosis, and it takes about 3 to 4 days for me to get back into it.
 
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PirateMk1 said:
I used my google-fu. :) that and I am on a very strict diet right now a so I have to very careful as to what I eat, to keep my body in ketosis. Ol fat boy needs to lose weight on a more permanent basis. That means a diet change. I am a Coca-Cola, and sugar addict. Going cold turkey. That means I have to avoid sugar in almost any quantity, carbohydrates in almost any quantity, so no pasta, grains and cereals. No processed sugar or fruits. I have to eat grass fed beef and other naturally raised meats with minimal processing and higher fat content, lots of nuts and oils and lower sugar vegetables along with plenty of dairy and fish and eggs. Believe it or not it is harder to do than one would think. I cant eat more than 4 grams of sugar a day or I lose ketosis, and it takes about 3 to 4 days for me to get back into it.
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Yea, dump that pop crap for a bunch of reasons.

After a couple of bouts with kidney stones, the doc told me to dump the pop.

I have an occasional Vernors, but love ice water, which is cool.

I had cancer surgery last year, and damn near died afterword.

I was in and out of a coma for about 3 weeks, and was allowed no ice water.

Drove me insane!

ETA - good luck to you.
 
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Militant_Vegan_ said:
in what way is it dishonest? let's start there. LOL
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It's blatantly dishonest.

I have no interest in trying to teach you Basic Nutrition 101.

Read a little bit and see if you cant see where I'm coming from. It's obviously an intense interest of yours- you'd think you'd want to learn it.
 
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PirateMk1 said:
Your chart is very misleading. Plant based protein, especially as shown in the chart is not complete and lacks certain amino acids in the amounts and ratios necessary for human health, as compared to animal based protein which has ALL the essential amino acids in the quantities and ratios needed. Soy is "complete" but only by definition. It has very low quantities of 2 amino acids that human health requires and is impractical and bad for ones health to consume large quantities of, not to mention it is one of the most engineered plants on the planet.
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This is true, but that's not even close to why this chart is so misleading.
 
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Militant_Vegan_ said:
I don't believe that for a moment. People all over the planet have been vegans and vegetarians forever and don't suffer from eating plant based protein in comparison to animal protein.
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For your edification. https://authoritynutrition.com/animal-vs-plant-protein/

A quote
About 20% of the human body is made up of protein.
Because your body doesn’t store protein, it’s important to get enough from your diet each day.
You can get protein from many food sources, including plants and animals.
Some people claim that the source of the protein, whether animal or plant, shouldn’t matter.
Others suggest that plant protein is superior to animal protein.
This article compares animal and plant proteins.
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The Amino Acid Profile Varies Between Plant and Animal Proteins
When eaten, protein is broken down into amino acids.
Proteins and amino acids are used for almost every metabolic process in the body.
However, different proteins can vary greatly in the types of amino acids they contain.
While animal proteins tend to contain a good balance of all the amino acids that we need, some plant proteins are low in certain amino acids.
For example, some key plant proteins are often low in methionine, tryptophan, lycine and isoleucine.
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Note this is one of many sites. That said nutrition in our country is as much art as science, but it is improving as a science. The science currently says that you basically have to supplement if you wish to have a completely vegan diet with no animal derived sources of nutrition whatsoever. The more animal sources the less you have to supplement. To a point. My diet is exactly opposite of yours in many respects, and I am doing it because I have been a long time sugar addict and so need to eliminate that out of my diet so I lose weight and improve my health. There is no one correct way to eat, just varying degrees of correct, some more so than others depending on ones goals and lifestyle.
 
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Threegoofs said:
It's blatantly dishonest.

I have no interest in trying to teach you Basic Nutrition 101.

Read a little bit and see if you cant see where I'm coming from. It's obviously an intense interest of yours- you'd think you'd want to learn it.
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so you're walking away with no proof. about what I expected.
 
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Threegoofs said:
This is true, but that's not even close to why this chart is so misleading.
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Do tell.
 
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Threegoofs said:
This is true, but that's not even close to why this chart is so misleading.
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I going by what a particular site said and my own education on the matter and directly addressing the claim made. I am sure there are plenty of other reasons as well the chart is misleading.
 
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Militant_Vegan_ said:
so you're walking away with no proof. about what I expected.
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Be careful how you caste that turd - you have done nothing to back up the chart in question that you posted.

The burden is on you to provide additional evidence to support your chart. Period.
 
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SMTA said:
Be careful how you caste that turd - you have done nothing to back up the chart in question that you posted.

The burden is on you to provide additional evidence to support your chart. Period.
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what's your question?
 
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Militant_Vegan_ said:
so you're walking away with no proof. about what I expected.
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LOL.

Here's a clue: what is the percentage supposed to be?

What's the denominator?
 
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Militant_Vegan_ said:
what's your question?
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You need to address the questions that the others have asked.

The lack of accuracy of your chart has been questioned - you either support it with additional evidence,or admit that it is wrong.

This should be known if you had been listening to the challenges.
 
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knock it off...if you want to eat meat then eat meat but do you have to come into every GD vegan thread with the meat slabs

it's fing tiresome
 
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_Sal said:
knock it off...if you want to eat meat then eat meat but do you have to come into every GD vegan thread with the meat slabs

it's fing tiresome
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Bye, bye!
 
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Threegoofs said:
LOL.

Here's a clue: what is the percentage supposed to be?

What's the denominator?
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Hmmm.....crickets.....are they considered meat?
 
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_Sal said:
knock it off...if you want to eat meat then eat meat but do you have to come into every GD vegan thread with the meat slabs

it's fing tiresome
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and childish
 
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Militant_Vegan_ said:
and childish
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amen

I am not vegan, I am not even vegetarian but I love reading about anything which points me in a new direction for learning or just another point of view I have never considered

we do eat meat but we are well aware of GMOs and carcinogens and the deplorable state that many animals are kept in and the way in which they are slaughtered...it is despicable...we should at the very least try to do our part by eating meat with no hormones and eggs that come from free range chickens....

otherwise I don't take their opinions as anything but emotional crap based on lack of research and ignorance

if people are so okey dokey and feel they know everything about diet and nutrition they wouldn't be so defensive
 
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_Sal said:
amen

I am not vegan, I am not even vegetarian but I love reading about anything which points me in a new direction for learning or just another point of view I have never considered

we do eat meat but we are well aware of GMOs and carcinogens and the deplorable state that many animals are kept in and the way in which they are slaughtered...it is despicable...we should at the very least try to do our part by eating meat with no hormones and eggs that come from free range chickens....

otherwise I don't take their opinions as anything but emotional crap based on lack of research and ignorance

if people are so okey dokey and feel they know everything about diet and nutrition they wouldn't be so defensive
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Well, given the ridiculous protein content graphic that was posted, I wouldn't count on learning things that are actually true.

Spinach does not contain twice the protein of beef. Really.
 
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Threegoofs said:
Well, given the ridiculous protein content graphic that was posted, I wouldn't count on learning things that are actually true.

Spinach does not contain twice the protein of beef. Really.
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okay but for instance

if you juice a 100 calories of spinach it does have more protein than eating 100 calories worth of beef

it is merely understanding what one is reading

I find meat eaters so freaking defensive about meat and frankly as a meat eater, I don't understand why.

and why do the same people here keep throwing meat into vegan threads IF they are so certain they are right why don't they just throw the facts out there?

I don't understand why people aren't curious to learn about nutrition given that it provides our health :shrug:

I have researched nutrition for decades and frankly the ignorance displayed by many in some of these threads is appalling

I don't really care if they want to suck up food I wouldn't feed to my cat but are people really that unconcerned about their well being....I think they are and that is why they get so defensive no?
 
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Threegoofs said:
Well, given the ridiculous protein content graphic that was posted, I wouldn't count on learning things that are actually true.

Spinach does not contain twice the protein of beef. Really.
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by the same token there was an assertion that fruits and vegetables provide no protein. pretty laughable.
 
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_Sal said:
okay but for instance

if you juice a 100 calories of spinach it does have more protein than eating 100 calories worth of beef

it is merely understanding what one is reading

I find meat eaters so freaking defensive about meat and frankly as a meat eater, I don't understand why.

and why do the same people here keep throwing meat into vegan threads IF they are so certain they are right why don't they just throw the facts out there?

I don't understand why people aren't curious to learn about nutrition given that it provides our health :shrug:

I have researched nutrition for decades and frankly the ignorance displayed by many in some of these threads is appalling

I don't really care if they want to suck up food I wouldn't feed to my cat but are people really that unconcerned about their well being....I think they are and that is why they get so defensive no?
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100 calories of beef has about 26 grams of protein.

100 calories of spinach has 2.9 grams of protein.

That's a tenfold difference, and not in favor of spinach.

Your graphic states something like spinach is 50% protein and beef is 35%.

Misleading to the point of blatant lying.
 
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Threegoofs said:
100 calories of beef has about 26 grams of protein.

100 calories of spinach has 2.9 grams of protein.

That's a tenfold difference, and not in favor of spinach.

Your graphic states something like spinach is 50% protein and beef is 35%.

Misleading to the point of blatant lying.
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no 100 calories of beef has 10 grams of protein

100 calories of spinach has 12 grams of protein...if juiced it is far more nutritious on multiple levels

and it's not MY graph

and don't accuse me of lying it is rude...

I'm done...get your facts straight
 
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_Sal said:
no 100 calories of beef has 10 grams of protein

100 calories of spinach has 12 grams of protein...if juiced it is far more nutritious on multiple levels

and it's not MY graph

and don't accuse me of lying it is rude...

I'm done...get your facts straight
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Sorry- meant 100 grams. My error.

That means to get your daily protein requirements, you'll need to eat a couple kg of spinach per day.
 
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Threegoofs said:
Sorry- meant 100 grams. My error.

Or a few kilograms of total vegetables. big whoop.


what about nuts, nut milk, beans and avocados?

woops
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Militant_Vegan_ said:
Threegoofs said:
Sorry- meant 100 grams. My error.

Or a few kilograms of total vegetables. big whoop.


what about nuts, nut milk, beans and avocados?

woops
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Sorry...why does the protein content of other foods have anything to do with the misleading chart you posted?
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