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"My Vegan Diet Almost Killed Me!"

that's already been disproven over and over, not to mention that many food is b12 fortified. you're grasping at meat straws.

LOL good luck in finding that fortified crap outside of major metropolitan areas. Veganism is a first world indulgence thats impractical and unhealthy for most people. Thank goodness they're a fringe movement.
 
LOL good luck in finding that fortified crap outside of major metropolitan areas. Veganism is a first world indulgence thats impractical and unhealthy for most people. Thank goodness they're a fringe movement.

You could also argue that deriving B12 from meat sources comes with its own risks. Where are the clams harvested? Poultry...not everyone has land to raise their own natural fowl. Seafood, what are your sources, how is it processed?
Please realize that we have options, and no one option outweighs another. A strict vegan diet may have to rely on fortified foods, but non vegan diets are not without their own risks. Crap, meat and veggies alike fall in that category.
A healthy and balanced diet, derived from trusted sources, is best. And just because you don't care for a vegan diet means that your diet is better or more balances. Consumer choice. Live and let live.
 
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You could also argue that deriving B12 from meat sources comes with its own risks. Where are the clams harvested? Poultry...not everyone has land to raise their own natural fowl. Seafood, what are your sources, how is it processed?
Please realize that we have options, and no one option outweighs another. A strict vegan diet may have to rely on fortified foods, but non vegan diets are not without their own risks. Crap, meat and veggies alike fall in that category.
A healthy and balanced diet, derived from trusted sources, is best. And just because you don't care for a vegan diet means that your diet is better or more balances. Consumer choice. Live and let live.

I eat a balanced diet and its surely better- I dont need to go to specialty stores to buy fortified sludge since I get my B12 vitamins naturally from meat. I eat equal parts meat and vegetables. The fact that kids have died from vegan diets and the fact that many vegans give up their diets because of health reasons only reinforces the fact that it is not a healthier diet than a balanced one.
 
I eat a balanced diet and its surely better- I dont need to go to specialty stores to buy fortified sludge since I get my B12 vitamins naturally from meat. I eat equal parts meat and vegetables. The fact that kids have died from vegan diets and the fact that many vegans give up their diets because of health reasons only reinforces the fact that it is not a healthier diet than a balanced one.

you eat all kinds of fortified foor. and it tons of factory farmed meat

his post humiliates you
 
you eat all kinds of fortified foor. and it tons of factory farmed meat

his post humiliates you

LOLwhut? First of all, Lovebug is a she. Second of all, she says a balanced diet is best and I agreed with her. Looks like your reading comprehension failed... again. :lol:
 
LOLwhut? First of all, Lovebug is a she. Second of all, she says a balanced diet is best and I agreed with her. Looks like your reading comprehension failed... again. :lol:

I don't take diet advice from sick people who eat their way into diabetes.
 
"She explained how the health problems we are plagued with in the Western world are not caused by animal products, far from it. Humans have been consuming animals (in much greater quantities than we do now) for millions of years without ill effect, and historically there has never been a single vegan culture. We need to look at the recent additions to our diet to uncover the causes of our sudden modern plagues: refined sugar, hydrogenated vegetable oils, trans fats, refined flours, chemical toxicity and the industrialized denaturing of all forms of food. According to her, avoiding healthy, organic animal products was not only unnecessary for good health, but in most cases positively detrimental to our well being.

“You see,” she concluded, “for many, if not most, people a totally plant based diet is not a good thing. It obviously is not working for you and that is nothing to be ashamed of. The body has evolved to utilize meat efficiently and healthfully, not tablets or pills. You’ve been taking B12 supplements for years, and you’ve been trying to take iron supplements for weeks, and they haven’t been utilized by your body at all. Supplements are a very poor substitute for whole foods. Taking medication is not the best option and it is not necessary; you could almost certainly regain your health on a balanced diet. It is my recommendation that you try that.”- A Vegan No More - The Story of a Recovering Vegan at Diet & Nutrition Support Forum, with image embedded, topic 1728051
 
Why do you want people to eat unhealthily?
Do you hate humanity?

if you want to eat tons of meat, go ahead. this is a self help section, but only for folks who want it.

a lot of people sabotage the threads by saying they don't care if they die decades earlier. they want the meat, fat, grease, sugar and salt.
 
I'd love to see links to the research on that. I've read quite a bit on the subject, havent come across that.

Wow, that research has been around forever now.

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Every animal on earth is constrained by its energy budget; the calories obtained from food will stretch only so far. And for most human beings, most of the time, these calories are burned not at the gym, but invisibly, in powering the heart, the digestive system and especially the brain, in the silent work of moving molecules around within and among its 100 billion cells. A human body at rest devotes roughly one-fifth of its energy to the brain, regardless of whether it is thinking anything useful, or even thinking at all. Thus, the unprecedented increase in brain size that hominids embarked on around 1.8 million years ago had to be paid for with added calories either taken in or diverted from some other function in the body. Many anthropologists think the key breakthrough was adding meat to the diet. But Wrangham and his Harvard colleague Rachel Carmody think that’s only a part of what was going on in evolution at the time. What matters, they say, is not just how many calories you can put into your mouth, but what happens to the food once it gets there. How much useful energy does it provide, after subtracting the calories spent in chewing, swallowing and digesting? The real breakthrough, they argue, was cooking.


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if you want to eat tons of meat, go ahead. this is a self help section, but only for folks who want it.

a lot of people sabotage the threads by saying they don't care if they die decades earlier. they want the meat, fat, grease, sugar and salt.

It's just a trade-off, actually. Eat what tastes good, or put up with a frustrating diet so that you can live five more years...
 
if you want to eat tons of meat, go ahead. this is a self help section, but only for folks who want it.

a lot of people sabotage the threads by saying they don't care if they die decades earlier. they want the meat, fat, grease, sugar and salt.

The rest of us are advocating a healthy balanced diet. Meat is part of a healthy well balanced diet.
You are the one who was advocating unhealthy dietary choices such as the potato only diet. Thus you are the one advocating an unhealthy diet.

So I ask again why do you want people to eat unhealthily?
Why do you hate humanity?.
 

so die young to help the species evolve? lol, weakest argument yet. the smart thinking is to eat a lot less meat as you age. Of course if you want to die in your 40;s, 50's or 60's, just keep on eating like a teeenage glutton
 
It's just a trade-off, actually. Eat what tastes good, or put up with a frustrating diet so that you can live five more years...

There's no proof that vegans live longer than people who eat balanced meals so he's just lying.
 
so die young to help the species evolve? lol, weakest argument yet. the smart thinking is to eat a lot less meat as you age. Of course if you want to die in your 40;s, 50's or 60's, just keep on eating like a teeenage glutton

Because there is just so many benefits to living to having a body that hurts all the time and has a great deal less ability to function. :lol:

Besides the fact that they're alive exactly what does being eighty offer someone?
 
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There's no proof that vegans live longer than people who eat balanced meals so he's just lying.

I was thinking more along the lines of lacto-ovo vegetarianism with low fat, low salt, no processed grains, and low carbs. IOW, about as healthful as you can get, but a lot less satisfying than a Porterhouse steak.
 
Because there is just so many benefits to living to having a body that hurts all the time and has a great deal less ability to function. :lol:

Besides the fact that they're alive exactly what does being eighty offer someone?

do you want to be 80 in a nursing home on meds, or do you want to be 80 running marathons? you decide if a burger is worth it
 
so die young to help the species evolve? lol, weakest argument yet. the smart thinking is to eat a lot less meat as you age. Of course if you want to die in your 40;s, 50's or 60's, just keep on eating like a teeenage glutton

Once again, the folks who are dying young are the ones who don't have a balanced diet - like vegans. But you are deliberately misunderstanding the point. It was meat, cooked meat, that allowed us to evolve these wonderful brains the way we have. The same brains that now allows you to advocate that we skip a balanced diet in favor of your own ****ty choice in diet.
 
The fact that her body functions went back to normal after she veered away from her vegan diet means... it was her diet.
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It means it was her diet, it does not mean the problem was a vegan diet, the problem was her particular diet. Some of the greatest athletes on earth right now are vegans.
 
It means it was her diet, it does not mean the problem was a vegan diet, the problem was her particular diet. Some of the greatest athletes on earth right now are vegans.

And those athletes were not always vegan, in fact when they were developing their bodies they most likely weren't. They are at a stage in their careers where professional dieticians are available for their use.

You know you can make your own fuel for your vehicle, right? Problems is, unless you get it exactly right you'll damage the vehicle, sometimes severely.

Your own personal vehicle, your body, is designed for meat, animal proteins, as part of it's [balanced] fuel. If you want to go off script and roll your own you had better be the best at formulating that alternative fuel [balance]. Only a very small percentage of folks can do that with any sort of competency.

Why? Especially when there's no need. The OEM fuel for your body can easily be had if you balance your diet.
 
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