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'Veg-friendly’ Barcelona joins Meat Free Monday' [W:52]

blackjack50 said:
The diet that keeps me strong? Lots of protein.
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you must not read much, plenty of protein in a plant based diet

I promise this page isn’t scary or mean!

Despite rumors to the contrary, I’m actually not on a rabid, foaming-at-the-mouth, steak-fueled mission to unveganize the world. My own diet is mostly plants, and I benefit in no way—financially or otherwise—if you decide to put an egg in your mouth instead of a lump of texturized vegetable protein. My sole goal with this blog is to squash out bad science and give folks access to accurate information about diet. What you decide to do with the stuff I say here is completely up to you.

As a former decade-long vegetarian (and vegan for the last few years of that), I understand and respect that food choices are sometimes based on more than our own health. Maybe you’re ethically opposed to killing animals for any reason, are concerned about the treatment of livestock on farms, or simply developed a crippling case of carnophobia after getting locked in a meat freezer when you were five (worst game of hide-and-seek ever). If this is you, I’m not here to talk you out of your choices or values—and even if we disagree on the specifics, I encourage you to live your life in whatever way you find most fulfilling.

Even though I don’t believe strict vegan diets are optimal from a health perspective, I do think there are ways to make the best out of a meatless, eggless, and dairyless situation. I’d like to offer some of those ideas on this page so that anybody personally committed to veganism can maximize their chance of staying healthy, and hopefully avoid the most common pitfalls us annoying ex-vegans blather on about. (Please note that this isn’t an endorsement for current omnivores to convert to veganism, and there’s no guarantee you’ll truly thrive even if you follow all the suggestions below—but I do think these guidelines will give vegans the best chance possible for warding off health problems.)

In no particular order of importance, here’s a summary of the list, followed by a more detailed version of each point:

Eat real food—no fake meats, processed soy products, vegan junk food, etc.
Avoid high omega-6 vegetable oils and take a vegan DHA supplement.
Supplement with vitamin K2.
Supplement with a vegan form of vitamin D3.
Enhance your beta carotene absorption and conversion.
Properly prepare any grains, legumes, or nuts you eat.
Maximize iron absorption using vitamin-C-rich foods.
Keep your thyroid in good shape.
Take vitamin B12.
Try going gluten-free.
Eat some fermented foods.
Supplement with taurine.
Consider adding oysters or other non-sentient bivalves to your diet.

For Vegans | Raw Food SOS
 
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Militant_Vegan_ said:
In his video, Paul asked: “If you heard that meat production was one of the biggest contributors to greenhouse gases in our atmosphere, what would you do? Would you just ignore that fact, or would you want to do something and find a solution?”
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Paul, the action that is needed is to reduce world population so all may what the world offers. I doubt you would be willing to do that.
 
Veg-friendly is a silly term. Is there a town or a city in the world that hates vegetables?
 
Militant_Vegan_ said:
Most Spaniards laugh at Americans, what they eat, and the state of their health. I doubt if they are afraid of meatless mondays like you are.

Do you go to threads about movies and croak "I don't go to movies" too?
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I am not American and I am not afraid of meatless Mondays, I do find the idea ludicrous.
 
Lovebug said:
The thread is only to highlight that some Spaniards celebrate meat free Mondays. No one is forcing anyone to do anything they don't like.
So unless someone is forced to travel to Spain ( please do), and abstain from meat entirely, what is the problem?
Not everyone loves meat. Some do.
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I guess my problem is when someone calles themselves militant I immediately assume they are well militant ;)
AS to the Spanish, they havent opted for anything some politicians have just wasted some time promoting nonsense and our resident veg head has run with it as if it has some great meaning or will somehow change the world.
Neither is true.
 
joG said:
On meat free days they like to serve fish and do it quite tastilly.
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Fish is good too, the idea of promoting a silly idea like meat free Monday is moronic however. If you want meat eat meat, want fish eat fish, etc etc...
 
zyzygy said:
Veg-friendly is a silly term. Is there a town or a city in the world that hates vegetables?
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My kids hate Brussel sprouts it is a vegetable and named after a town does that count?
BTW they love broccoli.
 
in other news, meat-friendly taco tuesday sees a surge.
 
joG said:
On meat free days they like to serve fish and do it quite tastilly.
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The Spanish do not have meat-free days. Some of them have meat-free days just like the rest of us.
 
Quag said:
Fish is good too, the idea of promoting a silly idea like meat free Monday is moronic however. If you want meat eat meat, want fish eat fish, etc etc...
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wow. that's the most childish thing I've read today.
 
Militant_Vegan_ said:
in other news, obesity and bad health have been surging for decades.
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A steady diet potatoes fried in vegetable oil and sodas is vegan and will likely result in obesity.
 
Quag said:
A steady diet potatoes fried in vegetable oil and sodas is vegan and will likely result in obesity.
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that was incoherent.

An estimated 38% of Americans have prediabetes—a precursor to type 2 diabetes. Animal protein, especially red and processed meat, has been shown in study after study to increase the risk of type 2 diabetes. In the Adventist population, omnivores have double the rate of diabetes compared with vegans, even accounting for differences in body weight. In fact, in this population, eating meat once a week or more over a 17-year period increased the risk of diabetes by 74%! Similarly, in the Health Professionals Follow-up Study and Nurses Health Study, increasing red meat intake by more than just half a serving per day was associated with a 48% increased risk in diabetes over 4 years.

Why would meat cause type 2 diabetes? Several reasons: animal fat, animal-based (heme) iron, and nitrate preservatives in meat have been found to damage pancreatic cells, worsen inflammation, cause weight gain, and impair the way our insulin functions.

You will dramatically lessen your chances of getting type 2 diabetes by leaving animal products off of your plate and eating a diet based in whole plant foods. This is especially true if you eat whole grains, which are highly protective against type 2 diabetes. You read that right: carbs actually protect you from diabetes! Also, a plant-based diet can improve or even reverse your diabetes if you’ve already been diagnosed.

6. You’ll get the right amount—and the right type—of protein.
The average omnivore in the US gets more than 1.5 times the optimal amount of protein, most of it from animal sources.

Contrary to popular perception, this excess protein does not make us stronger or leaner. Excess protein is stored as fat or turned into waste, and animal protein is a major cause of weight gain, heart disease, diabetes, inflammation, and cancer.

On the other hand, the protein found in whole plant foods protects us from many chronic diseases. There is no need to track protein intake or use protein supplements with plant-based diets; if you are meeting your daily calorie needs, you will get plenty of protein. The longest-lived people on Earth, those living in the “Blue Zones,” get about 10% of their calories from protein, compared with the US average of 15-20%.

7. You’ll make a huge impact on the health of our planet and its inhabitants.
Animal agriculture is extremely destructive to the planet. It is the single largest contributor to greenhouse gas emissions, and is a leading cause of land and water use, deforestation, wildlife destruction, and species extinction. About 2,000 gallons of water are needed to produce just one pound of beef in the U.S. Our oceans are rapidly becoming depleted of fish; by some estimates, oceans may be fishless by 2048. The current food system, based on meat and dairy production, also contributes to world hunger—the majority of crops grown worldwide go toward feeding livestock, not feeding people.

Equally important, animals raised for food are sentient beings who suffer, whether raised in industrial factory farms or in farms labeled “humane.” Eating a plant-based diet helps us lead a more compassionate life. After all, being healthy is not just about the food we eat; it’s also about our consciousness—our awareness of how our choices affect the planet and all of those with whom we share it.

7 Things That Happen When You Stop Eating Meat
 
Militant_Vegan_ said:
that was incoherent.

An estimated 38% of Americans have prediabetes—a precursor to type 2 diabetes. Animal protein, especially red and processed meat, has been shown in study after study to increase the risk of type 2 diabetes. In the Adventist population, omnivores have double the rate of diabetes compared with vegans, even accounting for differences in body weight. In fact, in this population, eating meat once a week or more over a 17-year period increased the risk of diabetes by 74%! Similarly, in the Health Professionals Follow-up Study and Nurses Health Study, increasing red meat intake by more than just half a serving per day was associated with a 48% increased risk in diabetes over 4 years.

Why would meat cause type 2 diabetes? Several reasons: animal fat, animal-based (heme) iron, and nitrate preservatives in meat have been found to damage pancreatic cells, worsen inflammation, cause weight gain, and impair the way our insulin functions.

You will dramatically lessen your chances of getting type 2 diabetes by leaving animal products off of your plate and eating a diet based in whole plant foods. This is especially true if you eat whole grains, which are highly protective against type 2 diabetes. You read that right: carbs actually protect you from diabetes! Also, a plant-based diet can improve or even reverse your diabetes if you’ve already been diagnosed.

6. You’ll get the right amount—and the right type—of protein.
The average omnivore in the US gets more than 1.5 times the optimal amount of protein, most of it from animal sources.

Contrary to popular perception, this excess protein does not make us stronger or leaner. Excess protein is stored as fat or turned into waste, and animal protein is a major cause of weight gain, heart disease, diabetes, inflammation, and cancer.

On the other hand, the protein found in whole plant foods protects us from many chronic diseases. There is no need to track protein intake or use protein supplements with plant-based diets; if you are meeting your daily calorie needs, you will get plenty of protein. The longest-lived people on Earth, those living in the “Blue Zones,” get about 10% of their calories from protein, compared with the US average of 15-20%.

7. You’ll make a huge impact on the health of our planet and its inhabitants.
Animal agriculture is extremely destructive to the planet. It is the single largest contributor to greenhouse gas emissions, and is a leading cause of land and water use, deforestation, wildlife destruction, and species extinction. About 2,000 gallons of water are needed to produce just one pound of beef in the U.S. Our oceans are rapidly becoming depleted of fish; by some estimates, oceans may be fishless by 2048. The current food system, based on meat and dairy production, also contributes to world hunger—the majority of crops grown worldwide go toward feeding livestock, not feeding people.

Equally important, animals raised for food are sentient beings who suffer, whether raised in industrial factory farms or in farms labeled “humane.” Eating a plant-based diet helps us lead a more compassionate life. After all, being healthy is not just about the food we eat; it’s also about our consciousness—our awareness of how our choices affect the planet and all of those with whom we share it.

7 Things That Happen When You Stop Eating Meat
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French fries and soda are far more likely culprits of type 2 diabetes and they are Vegan.
 
zyzygy said:
The Spanish do not have meat-free days. Some of them have meat-free days just like the rest of us.
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Spain is a Catholic country. Traditionally they do not eat meat on Fridays but fish.
 
Quag said:
No you are just putting your fingers in your ears and pretending a vegan diet cant be bad for you.
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Once again MV ignores a point about a balanced diet.
 
zyzygy said:
Some people do,not the entire country.
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As in all generalizations their are those that break the pattern. Very good!
 
Quag said:
No you are just putting your fingers in your ears and pretending a vegan diet cant be bad for you.
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no, you're just going aound laying turds in threads.
 
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