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Another Nation Trims Meat From Diet Advice | The Plate

Nutrition advisers in the Netherlands took a progressive step this week, one that will likely further stoke conversations about the relationship between a healthy diet and a healthy planet. And their sights are set squarely on meat.

The Netherlands Nutrition Centre says it is recommending people eat just two servings of meat a week, setting an explicit limit on meat consumption for the first time. The recommendations come five years after a government panel weighed the ecological impact of the average Dutch person’s diet, concluding last year that eating less meat is better for human and environmental health.

The Nutrition Centre, a government-funded program responsible for making food-based dietary guidelines, took those conclusions and presented them on Tuesday in its “Wheel of Five”—a graphic distributed to the public, along the lines of the U.S. government’s “MyPlate.”

“The new dietary guidelines are implemented in our new education model … in a way that the total environmental impact of the diet is lower than the current consumption,” explains Corné van Dooren, a sustainable food expert at the center. “We focus on eating a less animal-based and more plant-based diet by the unique advice to consume not more than 500 grams of meat a week.”

Of that 500 grams, or about one pound, only 300 grams should be red, or “high-carbon” meat, van Dooren noted, explaining that the guidelines suggest getting protein from other sources, like one 25-gram portion of unsalted nuts a day and one 135-gram portion of pulses a week. Seafood recommendations also get an update.

“The advice for fish is changed from two portions to one portion a week, due to sustainability issues,” van Dooren adds. “One portion is enough to reach the benefits for coronary heart diseases.”

Over the past decade, a handful of countries have started to more seriously consider environmental factors in their official nutrition advice, including the U.S. That’s out of the more than 60 countries that maintain and update nutrition advice, according to the FAO.

“There are just a very few countries that have taken this issue on,” says Kathleen Merrigan, former deputy secretary at the U.S. Department of Agriculture, now the executive director of sustainability at George Washington University. “It’s a moving target.”

In 2014, Merrigan helped convene a conference on food sustainability, inviting government nutrition advisers from the Netherlands and Brazil, two of the countries that have worked most intensively on the issue. (In 2012, Brazil set new recommendations that factored in “environmental integrity,” fair trade principles and the eating patterns of indigenous food cultures.)

Other countries that have included sustainability into their nutrition advice, or have seriously contemplated doing so, include Germany, Australia, Sweden, and the U.K.
 
Another Nation Trims Meat From Diet Advice | The Plate

Nutrition advisers in the Netherlands took a progressive step this week, one that will likely further stoke conversations about the relationship between a healthy diet and a healthy planet. And their sights are set squarely on meat.

The Netherlands Nutrition Centre says it is recommending people eat just two servings of meat a week, setting an explicit limit on meat consumption for the first time. The recommendations come five years after a government panel weighed the ecological impact of the average Dutch person’s diet, concluding last year that eating less meat is better for human and environmental health.

The Nutrition Centre, a government-funded program responsible for making food-based dietary guidelines, took those conclusions and presented them on Tuesday in its “Wheel of Five”—a graphic distributed to the public, along the lines of the U.S. government’s “MyPlate.”

“The new dietary guidelines are implemented in our new education model … in a way that the total environmental impact of the diet is lower than the current consumption,” explains Corné van Dooren, a sustainable food expert at the center. “We focus on eating a less animal-based and more plant-based diet by the unique advice to consume not more than 500 grams of meat a week.”

Of that 500 grams, or about one pound, only 300 grams should be red, or “high-carbon” meat, van Dooren noted, explaining that the guidelines suggest getting protein from other sources, like one 25-gram portion of unsalted nuts a day and one 135-gram portion of pulses a week. Seafood recommendations also get an update.

“The advice for fish is changed from two portions to one portion a week, due to sustainability issues,” van Dooren adds. “One portion is enough to reach the benefits for coronary heart diseases.”

Over the past decade, a handful of countries have started to more seriously consider environmental factors in their official nutrition advice, including the U.S. That’s out of the more than 60 countries that maintain and update nutrition advice, according to the FAO.

“There are just a very few countries that have taken this issue on,” says Kathleen Merrigan, former deputy secretary at the U.S. Department of Agriculture, now the executive director of sustainability at George Washington University. “It’s a moving target.”

In 2014, Merrigan helped convene a conference on food sustainability, inviting government nutrition advisers from the Netherlands and Brazil, two of the countries that have worked most intensively on the issue. (In 2012, Brazil set new recommendations that factored in “environmental integrity,” fair trade principles and the eating patterns of indigenous food cultures.)

Other countries that have included sustainability into their nutrition advice, or have seriously contemplated doing so, include Germany, Australia, Sweden, and the U.K.
If I didn't know better, I would say that pipe you are smoking in your avatar is ivory.
 
Another Nation Trims Meat From Diet Advice | The Plate

Nutrition advisers in the Netherlands took a progressive step this week, one that will likely further stoke conversations about the relationship between a healthy diet and a healthy planet. And their sights are set squarely on meat.

The Netherlands Nutrition Centre says it is recommending people eat just two servings of meat a week, setting an explicit limit on meat consumption for the first time. The recommendations come five years after a government panel weighed the ecological impact of the average Dutch person’s diet, concluding last year that eating less meat is better for human and environmental health.

The Nutrition Centre, a government-funded program responsible for making food-based dietary guidelines, took those conclusions and presented them on Tuesday in its “Wheel of Five”—a graphic distributed to the public, along the lines of the U.S. government’s “MyPlate.”

“The new dietary guidelines are implemented in our new education model … in a way that the total environmental impact of the diet is lower than the current consumption,” explains Corné van Dooren, a sustainable food expert at the center. “We focus on eating a less animal-based and more plant-based diet by the unique advice to consume not more than 500 grams of meat a week.”

Of that 500 grams, or about one pound, only 300 grams should be red, or “high-carbon” meat, van Dooren noted, explaining that the guidelines suggest getting protein from other sources, like one 25-gram portion of unsalted nuts a day and one 135-gram portion of pulses a week. Seafood recommendations also get an update.

“The advice for fish is changed from two portions to one portion a week, due to sustainability issues,” van Dooren adds. “One portion is enough to reach the benefits for coronary heart diseases.”

Over the past decade, a handful of countries have started to more seriously consider environmental factors in their official nutrition advice, including the U.S. That’s out of the more than 60 countries that maintain and update nutrition advice, according to the FAO.

“There are just a very few countries that have taken this issue on,” says Kathleen Merrigan, former deputy secretary at the U.S. Department of Agriculture, now the executive director of sustainability at George Washington University. “It’s a moving target.”

In 2014, Merrigan helped convene a conference on food sustainability, inviting government nutrition advisers from the Netherlands and Brazil, two of the countries that have worked most intensively on the issue. (In 2012, Brazil set new recommendations that factored in “environmental integrity,” fair trade principles and the eating patterns of indigenous food cultures.)

Other countries that have included sustainability into their nutrition advice, or have seriously contemplated doing so, include Germany, Australia, Sweden, and the U.K.

I dislike people making propaganda against my tastes. I think it legitimate. Don't doubt it. But it reminds me i had real meat only in two meals today and Wurst for breakfast. I will have a t--bone in the morning.
 
Oh GOD, does anyone listen to these idiots who think they know what we should eat? The "experts" know almost nothing about general rules about what we should and should not eat, anyone who says different is lying. And boy to they lie, they have been telling us for 15 years that we can drink all the fruit juice we want because it is juice and is good for us. No, it is almost all sugar water, and when I drink sugar water I would rather have a soda TYVM, which has about the same affect on the body as juice does.

But hell, they lost me when they got me to switch to margarine during the early 80's then a half dozen years later come out with " oh wait, you were better off with butter". I like butter, I made the sacrifice, for nothing, because claims of knowledge from the elite turn out to false. As per usual they hardly even tried to find out what the truth was before they ran around claiming to know more than we do.

Now they say " DONT EAT MEAT!" because it is supposed to be tied to global warming. BLAH BLAH..I like meat, I am eating meat, and when/if anyone comes up with science that beef is bad FOR ME and the science sticks for 10 years then I will take up the issue.

Not before.
 
Oh GOD, does anyone listen to these idiots who think they know what we should eat? The "experts" know almost nothing about general rules about what we should and should not eat, anyone who says different is lying. And boy to they lie, they have been telling us for 15 years that we can drink all the fruit juice we want because it is juice and is good for us. No, it is almost all sugar water, and when I drink sugar water I would rather have a soda TYVM, which has about the same affect on the body as juice does.

But hell, they lost me when they got me to switch to margarine during the early 80's then a half dozen years later come out with " oh wait, you were better off with butter". I like butter, I made the sacrifice, for nothing, because claims of knowledge from the elite turn out to false. As per usual they hardly even tried to find out what the truth was before they ran around claiming to know more than we do.

Now they say " DONT EAT MEAT!" because it is supposed to be tied to global warming. BLAH BLAH..I like meat, I am eating meat, and when/if anyone comes up with science that beef is bad FOR ME and the science sticks for 10 years then I will take up the issue.

Not before.


some people care about their personal health, others say it's worth it to die early for the flavor of meat/eggs (shrug).

But we're talking about kids here, it's a chance to break the chain of ignorance.
 
Another Nation Trims Meat From Diet Advice | The Plate

Nutrition advisers in the Netherlands took a progressive step this week, one that will likely further stoke conversations about the relationship between a healthy diet and a (1)healthy planet. And their sights are set squarely on meat.

The Netherlands Nutrition Centre says it is recommending people eat just two servings of meat a week, setting an explicit limit on meat consumption for the first time. The recommendations come five years after a government panel weighed the ecological impact (2) of the average Dutch person’s diet, concluding last year that eating less meat is better for human and environmental health.

The Nutrition Centre, a government-funded program responsible for making food-based dietary guidelines, took those conclusions and presented them on Tuesday in its “Wheel of Five”—a graphic distributed to the public, along the lines of the U.S. government’s “MyPlate.”

“The new dietary guidelines are implemented in our new education model … in a way that the total (3)environmental impact of the diet is lower than the current consumption,” explains Corné van Dooren, a sustainable food expert at the center. “We focus on eating a less animal-based and more plant-based diet by the unique advice to consume not more than 500 grams of meat a week.”

Of that 500 grams, or about one pound, only 300 grams should be red, or “high-carbon” meat, van Dooren noted, explaining that the guidelines suggest getting protein from other sources, like one 25-gram portion of unsalted nuts a day and one 135-gram portion of pulses a week. Seafood recommendations also get an update.

“The advice for fish is changed from two portions to one portion a week,(4) due to sustainability issues,” van Dooren adds. “One portion is enough to reach the benefits for coronary heart diseases.”

Over the past decade, a handful of countries have started to more seriously consider environmental factors in their official nutrition advice, including the U.S. That’s out of the more than 60 countries that maintain and update nutrition advice, according to the FAO.

“There are just a very few countries that have taken this issue on,” says Kathleen Merrigan, former deputy secretary at the U.S. Department of Agriculture, now the executive director of sustainability(5) at George Washington University. “It’s a moving target.”

In 2014, Merrigan helped convene a conference on food (6)sustainability, inviting government nutrition advisers from the Netherlands and Brazil, two of the countries that have worked most intensively on the issue. (In 2012, Brazil set new recommendations that factored in (7)“environmental integrity,” fair trade principles and the eating patterns of indigenous food cultures.)

Other countries that have included (8)sustainability into their nutrition advice, or have seriously contemplated doing so, include Germany, Australia, Sweden, and the U.K.

I count 8 references to this revision being done based on a subjective view of the environment, and 0 for actual health guidelines.
 
some people care about their personal health, others say it's worth it to die early for the flavor of meat/eggs (shrug).

But we're talking about kids here, it's a chance to break the chain of ignorance.

No one is dying early because of eggs and meat. no one. It's refined sugars and simple carbohydrates that cause obesity and diabetes. Raw meat products do not contain either of those.
 
Oh GOD, does anyone listen to these idiots who think they know what we should eat? The "experts" know almost nothing about general rules about what we should and should not eat, anyone who says different is lying. And boy to they lie, they have been telling us for 15 years that we can drink all the fruit juice we want because it is juice and is good for us. No, it is almost all sugar water, and when I drink sugar water I would rather have a soda TYVM, which has about the same affect on the body as juice does.

But hell, they lost me when they got me to switch to margarine during the early 80's then a half dozen years later come out with " oh wait, you were better off with butter". I like butter, I made the sacrifice, for nothing, because claims of knowledge from the elite turn out to false. As per usual they hardly even tried to find out what the truth was before they ran around claiming to know more than we do.

Now they say " DONT EAT MEAT!" because it is supposed to be tied to global warming. BLAH BLAH..I like meat, I am eating meat, and when/if anyone comes up with science that beef is bad FOR ME and the science sticks for 10 years then I will take up the issue.

Not before.

Fortunately modern medical science is confirming what we knew all along. Simple products are better for you then refined/hydrogenated ones.

and that whole food products are just fine, it's like how many people bought the idea that egg yolks raise your cholesterol? that was health advice for decades and we now know it's bunk, same with milkfat, we now know whole milk is better for you then skim (and tastes better) and that butter is likewise better for you then margerine. and you know what's stupid? while people were being told this crap, for decades the role of transfats, refined sugars, and simple carbs were not pushed to the public same as the eggs, butter, and whole milk/cream.

it's the big three, Trans fat, simple carb, refined sugar, that cause health problems, you can eat as much steak/bacon and eggs as you want, you can dump heavy cream in your coffee. avoid trans fats and sugar and processed white flour and white rice.
 
No one is dying early because of eggs and meat. no one.

plenty of people die from clogged arteries, and colon cancer. too much meat also causes diabetes which cause many many more diseases including diabetes.
 
Fortunately modern medical science is confirming what we knew all along. Simple products are better for you then refined/hydrogenated ones.

and that whole food products are just fine, it's like how many people bought the idea that egg yolks raise your cholesterol? that was health advice for decades and we now know it's bunk, same with milkfat, we now know whole milk is better for you then skim (and tastes better) and that butter is likewise better for you then margerine. and you know what's stupid? while people were being told this crap, for decades the role of transfats, refined sugars, and simple carbs were not pushed to the public same as the eggs, butter, and whole milk/cream.

it's the big three, Trans fat, simple carb, refined sugar, that cause health problems, you can eat as much steak/bacon and eggs as you want, you can dump heavy cream in your coffee. avoid trans fats and sugar and processed white flour and white rice.


no one ever said sugar or processed food is good for you. lol
 
Fortunately modern medical science is confirming what we knew all along. Simple products are better for you then refined/hydrogenated ones.

and that whole food products are just fine, it's like how many people bought the idea that egg yolks raise your cholesterol? that was health advice for decades and we now know it's bunk, same with milkfat, we now know whole milk is better for you then skim (and tastes better) and that butter is likewise better for you then margerine. and you know what's stupid? while people were being told this crap, for decades the role of transfats, refined sugars, and simple carbs were not pushed to the public same as the eggs, butter, and whole milk/cream.

it's the big three, Trans fat, simple carb, refined sugar, that cause health problems, you can eat as much steak/bacon and eggs as you want, you can dump heavy cream in your coffee. avoid trans fats and sugar and processed white flour and white rice.

Your blood values do better on a meat, fat but light on carbohydrates diet than on one you have carbohydrates but reduce fat intake. So enjoy the eggs and pork chops and don't spare red meat.
 
plenty of people die from clogged arteries, and colon cancer. too much meat also causes diabetes which cause many many more diseases including diabetes.

Carbohydrates seem to clog more than meat and fat.
 
plenty of people die from clogged arteries, and colon cancer. too much meat also causes diabetes which cause many many more diseases including diabetes.

Meat does not cause diabetes.

You get diabetes two ways, either genetically, or from consuming too many carbohydrates which are converted to glucose, overtime your body loses the ability to produce insulin to regulate your blood sugar from high blood sugar levels. raw unprocessed meats do not contain sugar or simple carbs.
 
no one ever said sugar or processed food is good for you. lol

But they weren't villified like egg yolks and butter and saturated fats until the 90s from what I can find.
 
Meat does not cause diabetes.

You get diabetes two ways, either genetically, or from consuming too many carbohydrates which are converted to glucose, overtime your body loses the ability to produce insulin to regulate your blood sugar from high blood sugar levels. raw unprocessed meats do not contain sugar or simple carbs.

you eat a lot of raw meat then? sounds healthy
 
you eat a lot of raw meat then? sounds healthy

Muscle cuts is just fine. I actually make steaks rare to have with breakfast. you can buy thin cut flank at the grocery store, throw it on a pan just long enough to grey the exterior.

The steel mill workers of the early 20th century in Pittsburgh had a great thing going, the took raw steaks and drop them on recently forged steel beams that were still glowing, then immediately flipped them and took them off. seared and burnt skin, but raw and juicy inside. perfect meal for 12 hours on your feet.

but it doesn't need to be raw, rare is fine, you only need to cook ground meats well done, and pork for trichinosis. raw steaks are perfectly safe unless you have a compromised immune system. farm laid eggs are ok raw too. mine are still runny on top when I eat them, and I'm perfectly healthy. in fact I have to be medically cleared every two years to do my job, if I get diabetes and need to shoot insulin I lose my job.
 
are you on your feet for 12 hours per day working a tough job like a steel mill?
 
do you think potatoes and brown rice clog arteries and butter doesn't?

White flour products and transfats from processed oils are what clog arteries. Transfats clog arteries.

Cholesterol in food does not raise your cholesterol levels unless you are already diabetic or hyper sensetive to cholesterol. in the general population you can eat as much butter and as many eggs as you want. you body cannot possibly absorb enough cholesterol to raise levels. you have iron in your blood, if you ate shavings of iron it would not increase your iron levels. fats in food do not become fat in your body. these things do not get directly converted. the cholesterol in eggs and butter are not a form your body can easily use.
 
are you on your feet for 12 hours per day working a tough job like a steel mill?

10 hours a day, my job used to be sedentary, I now work a different job that's highly active.
 
White flour products and transfats from processed oils are what clog arteries. Transfats clog arteries.

Cholesterol in food does not raise your cholesterol levels unless you are already diabetic or hyper sensetive to cholesterol. in the general population you can eat as much butter and as many eggs as you want. you body cannot possibly absorb enough cholesterol to raise levels. you have iron in your blood, if you ate shavings of iron it would not increase your iron levels. fats in food do not become fat in your body. these things do not get directly converted. the cholesterol in eggs and butter are not a form your body can easily use.


where did any vegan say to eat processed food? I'd love to pay you live on eggs for a whole year.
 
where did any vegan say to eat processed food? I'd love to pay you live on eggs for a whole year.

I'm not going to live on a single food for a year. or a month (which is what you originally started on), I was using an illustrative example. my diet works fine for me. save your dough. just not the dough, that's bad for you.
 
where did any vegan say to eat processed food? I'd love to pay you live on eggs for a whole year.

I never claimed a vegan said that.

I'm saying that's what causes the health maladies you're claiming are caused by meat, eggs, and butter, when that's not factually accurate. A vegan diet is not the only route to prevent cardiovascular disease or diabetes.
 
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