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My recipe for Pho Ga

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(Pho Ga)
Pho Ga is basically Vietnamese chicken noodle soup but it has a very distinctive Asian flavor to the broth compared to It’s western cousin. Pho is a very popular street food in Vietnam. Unlike western type soups Pho is all about the garnishes, you purchase your basic bowl and then add in what you like, fresh veggies , herbs, hot peppers, bean sprouts etc. This also makes a great family meal , it’s served separated, meaning broth in one bowel, noodles in another and so on, sort of a build your own soup salad bar.
To make the broth:
In a large stock pot:
16- cups of water ( 3.7854L)
4”- of ginger root. ( see note)
1- medium onion. ( see note)
2 and 1/2 tablespoons sea salt.
2- tablespoons of sugar.
1- chicken cut up.
Note on aromatics, onion and ginger.
The ginger and onion need to be roasted, Slice ginger lengthwise and place on a cooking sheet, 1/2 the onion and also place on sheet. Broil until roasted, a little char is ok, also there is no need to peel the ginger or onion.
With the water heating on high temp add in the salt and sugar. Once to a boil add in the ginger and onion and carefully add in the chicken. Cover pot and cook for about ten minutes. Uncover and skim off the foam/fat scum and reduce heat to medium. Continue to cook until chicken is done skimming as needed, once cooked remove the chicken to let cool until it’s comfortable enough to handle and de-bone. Discard any small bones but place the larger ones back to the pot. Do not shred the meat, fork size chunks or larger are best. Cover meat and set aside.
( spices)
Note: these are whole spices, they will need to be placed in a Bouquet gami, french for spices wrapped in cheese cloth and tied. I use an extra large tea steeping ball for this.
1- tablespoon coriander seed
5- star anise
1- cinnamon stick broken into thirds
7-cloves
1/3 teaspoon cumin seeds
1- teaspoon whole pepper corns
In a small fry pan on medium heat, heat the spices to release the oils, stirring and swirling often. Once they first become fragrant( three to five minutes) take them off heat to cool, don’t over do this. Place the spice mix in your steeper or tied cheese cloth ball and place in the pot. At this time also add in two tablespoons of (Thai fish sauce). Let this cook for a time, thirty minutes minimum but the longer the better it adds depth of flavor. Once your comfortable with the flavor strain the broth to remove any bones and aromatics and you end up with Pho broth gold. ( note: strain broth well, I line my colander with cheese cloth)
(Noodles)
This is served with Pho noodles which are just rice noodles that are not translucent. They typically come in two sizes, the standard pasta version or the wider type, I prefer the wider.
( Garnishes)
As I said Pho is all about the garnishes, there are no rules with this, add anything you like. I would suggest keeping your broth clean though, meaning not adding in anymore layers of flavor. If you use larger veggies like broccoli florets, snap peas, carrots or anything semi large like that I would blanch them 1/2 cooked first. There are a few items that are almost always served with Pho Ga. A small salad type topping made with red onion and cilantro. Thai basil or mint as a substitute and wedges of lime to squeeze on the soup are also standard as well. Sriracha hot chili sauce and hoisin sauce are also common as are fresh hot chilies. I prefer mine with bean sprouts, pea shoots, Thai basil and the hot sauce and of course the chicken and noodles.
Enjoy,
 
Shortcut for the Pho Ga:

Some folks just aren’t into spending most of the day making soup, I get that. These shortcuts are fine, the soup will lack a bit of depth though.

Most markets sell cooked chickens, de-bone one and toss the carcass and larger bones into a quality store bought stock.
 
Sorry for the multiple posts but I take my Pho seriously, in fact I always save some broth as sort of a base for the next batch. I have been doing that for 7+ years now. I was reading of a restaurant in Vietnam that has had the same ongoing stock for 25 years, each day it is added too, never frozen nor refrigerated.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pho
 
Sorry for the multiple posts but I take my Pho seriously, in fact I always save some broth as sort of a base for the next batch. I have been doing that for 7+ years now. I was reading of a restaurant in Vietnam that has had the same ongoing stock for 25 years, each day it is added too, never frozen nor refrigerated.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pho
Interesting.

I've heard of some old-line bakeries & pizza joints claiming the same for their starter doughs.

No idea if it's true, but it makes for great PR!

BTW - In my city restaurant Pho usually has beef, though I'm not sure what the broth is; I assumed it was beef.
 
(Pho Ga)
Pho Ga is basically Vietnamese chicken noodle soup but it has a very distinctive Asian flavor to the broth compared to It’s western cousin. Pho is a very popular street food in Vietnam. Unlike western type soups Pho is all about the garnishes, you purchase your basic bowl and then add in what you like, fresh veggies , herbs, hot peppers, bean sprouts etc. This also makes a great family meal , it’s served separated, meaning broth in one bowel, noodles in another and so on, sort of a build your own soup salad bar.
To make the broth:
In a large stock pot:
16- cups of water ( 3.7854L)
4”- of ginger root. ( see note)
1- medium onion. ( see note)
2 and 1/2 tablespoons sea salt.
2- tablespoons of sugar.
1- chicken cut up.
Note on aromatics, onion and ginger.
The ginger and onion need to be roasted, Slice ginger lengthwise and place on a cooking sheet, 1/2 the onion and also place on sheet. Broil until roasted, a little char is ok, also there is no need to peel the ginger or onion.
With the water heating on high temp add in the salt and sugar. Once to a boil add in the ginger and onion and carefully add in the chicken. Cover pot and cook for about ten minutes. Uncover and skim off the foam/fat scum and reduce heat to medium. Continue to cook until chicken is done skimming as needed, once cooked remove the chicken to let cool until it’s comfortable enough to handle and de-bone. Discard any small bones but place the larger ones back to the pot. Do not shred the meat, fork size chunks or larger are best. Cover meat and set aside.
( spices)
Note: these are whole spices, they will need to be placed in a Bouquet gami, french for spices wrapped in cheese cloth and tied. I use an extra large tea steeping ball for this.
1- tablespoon coriander seed
5- star anise
1- cinnamon stick broken into thirds
7-cloves
1/3 teaspoon cumin seeds
1- teaspoon whole pepper corns
In a small fry pan on medium heat, heat the spices to release the oils, stirring and swirling often. Once they first become fragrant( three to five minutes) take them off heat to cool, don’t over do this. Place the spice mix in your steeper or tied cheese cloth ball and place in the pot. At this time also add in two tablespoons of (Thai fish sauce). Let this cook for a time, thirty minutes minimum but the longer the better it adds depth of flavor. Once your comfortable with the flavor strain the broth to remove any bones and aromatics and you end up with Pho broth gold. ( note: strain broth well, I line my colander with cheese cloth)
(Noodles)
This is served with Pho noodles which are just rice noodles that are not translucent. They typically come in two sizes, the standard pasta version or the wider type, I prefer the wider.
( Garnishes)
As I said Pho is all about the garnishes, there are no rules with this, add anything you like. I would suggest keeping your broth clean though, meaning not adding in anymore layers of flavor. If you use larger veggies like broccoli florets, snap peas, carrots or anything semi large like that I would blanch them 1/2 cooked first. There are a few items that are almost always served with Pho Ga. A small salad type topping made with red onion and cilantro. Thai basil or mint as a substitute and wedges of lime to squeeze on the soup are also standard as well. Sriracha hot chili sauce and hoisin sauce are also common as are fresh hot chilies. I prefer mine with bean sprouts, pea shoots, Thai basil and the hot sauce and of course the chicken and noodles.
Enjoy,

While I admire your dedication, I think I'd just rather go to a Vietnamese restaurant and order a bowl of Pho than have to go through all of this... ;)
 
Interesting.

I've heard of some old-line bakeries & pizza joints claiming the same for their starter doughs.

No idea if it's true, but it makes for great PR!

BTW - In my city restaurant Pho usually has beef, though I'm not sure what the broth is; I assumed it was beef.

Beef bones are used as a stock flavor, but I have stuck to tradition, chickens are plentiful in Vietnam but beef, not so much. And yes, the very same concept with the elder yeast applies to the Pho broth. Within foodie circles that make Pho the age of the base is all important and gives bragging wrights.
 
Beef bones are used as a stock flavor, but I have stuck to tradition, chickens are plentiful in Vietnam but beef, not so much. And yes, the very same concept with the elder yeast applies to the Pho broth. Within foodie circles that make Pho the age of the base is all important and gives bragging wrights.

And then there's the centuries old mold in the caves of Roquefort ...
 
While I admire your dedication, I think I'd just rather go to a Vietnamese restaurant and order a bowl of Pho than have to go through all of this... ;)


I’m sorry you feel this way about the Pho, cooking can be ether a passion or a chore. For me an all day recipe is a relaxing Zen type experience. In my opinion the best bites take time, smoking meat, soups and sauces with depth are examples. I can spend all day or two on a red sauce ( pasta sauce) to achieve perfection. The effort is as a said, a passion, or for you a silly hobby. In the end, the bites and food will be phenomenal if effort and love went into it.
 
And then there's the centuries old mold in the caves of Roquefort ...


It’s a wonderful cheese, a bit hard to find in the US-(Real Roquefort) It has a sting/tang that is unmistakable, well for me it does. I’m trying to think of some French wines that want to own the name and location, some help.
 
I’m sorry you feel this way about the Pho, cooking can be ether a passion or a chore. For me an all day recipe is a relaxing Zen type experience. In my opinion the best bites take time, smoking meat, soups and sauces with depth are examples. I can spend all day or two on a red sauce ( pasta sauce) to achieve perfection. The effort is as a said, a passion, or for you a silly hobby. In the end, the bites and food will be phenomenal if effort and love went into it.

No offense but having had Pho when I was in Vietnam I can say that there's no way for me to replicate what the local Vietnamese people can do so I feel its just better if I go ahead and have them do it for me. But if youre passionate about it then by all means keep cooking. I cook myself, but I just make simple food. :2wave:
 
(Pho Ga)
Pho Ga is basically Vietnamese chicken noodle soup but it has a very distinctive Asian flavor to the broth compared to It’s western cousin. Pho is a very popular street food in Vietnam. Unlike western type soups Pho is all about the garnishes, you purchase your basic bowl and then add in what you like, fresh veggies , herbs, hot peppers, bean sprouts etc. This also makes a great family meal , it’s served separated, meaning broth in one bowel, noodles in another and so on, sort of a build your own soup salad bar.
To make the broth:
In a large stock pot:
16- cups of water ( 3.7854L)
4”- of ginger root. ( see note)
1- medium onion. ( see note)
2 and 1/2 tablespoons sea salt.
2- tablespoons of sugar.
1- chicken cut up.
Note on aromatics, onion and ginger.
The ginger and onion need to be roasted, Slice ginger lengthwise and place on a cooking sheet, 1/2 the onion and also place on sheet. Broil until roasted, a little char is ok, also there is no need to peel the ginger or onion.
With the water heating on high temp add in the salt and sugar. Once to a boil add in the ginger and onion and carefully add in the chicken. Cover pot and cook for about ten minutes. Uncover and skim off the foam/fat scum and reduce heat to medium. Continue to cook until chicken is done skimming as needed, once cooked remove the chicken to let cool until it’s comfortable enough to handle and de-bone. Discard any small bones but place the larger ones back to the pot. Do not shred the meat, fork size chunks or larger are best. Cover meat and set aside.
( spices)
Note: these are whole spices, they will need to be placed in a Bouquet gami, french for spices wrapped in cheese cloth and tied. I use an extra large tea steeping ball for this.
1- tablespoon coriander seed
5- star anise
1- cinnamon stick broken into thirds
7-cloves
1/3 teaspoon cumin seeds
1- teaspoon whole pepper corns
In a small fry pan on medium heat, heat the spices to release the oils, stirring and swirling often. Once they first become fragrant( three to five minutes) take them off heat to cool, don’t over do this. Place the spice mix in your steeper or tied cheese cloth ball and place in the pot. At this time also add in two tablespoons of (Thai fish sauce). Let this cook for a time, thirty minutes minimum but the longer the better it adds depth of flavor. Once your comfortable with the flavor strain the broth to remove any bones and aromatics and you end up with Pho broth gold. ( note: strain broth well, I line my colander with cheese cloth)
(Noodles)
This is served with Pho noodles which are just rice noodles that are not translucent. They typically come in two sizes, the standard pasta version or the wider type, I prefer the wider.
( Garnishes)
As I said Pho is all about the garnishes, there are no rules with this, add anything you like. I would suggest keeping your broth clean though, meaning not adding in anymore layers of flavor. If you use larger veggies like broccoli florets, snap peas, carrots or anything semi large like that I would blanch them 1/2 cooked first. There are a few items that are almost always served with Pho Ga. A small salad type topping made with red onion and cilantro. Thai basil or mint as a substitute and wedges of lime to squeeze on the soup are also standard as well. Sriracha hot chili sauce and hoisin sauce are also common as are fresh hot chilies. I prefer mine with bean sprouts, pea shoots, Thai basil and the hot sauce and of course the chicken and noodles.
Enjoy,

You got the broth wrong. To make Pho Ga' broth, you need to use chicken feet. Lots of them, lots of tendons and all that. Once you have the broth, you can throw them out. Also, you are missing fresh jalapeno slices on the side plate, its a must. I live for a good pho ga', you got most of it right. But..chicken feet....you will know if you made the broth right if you refrigerate it and the fat forms on the top......mmmmm
 
You got the broth wrong. To make Pho Ga' broth, you need to use chicken feet. Lots of them, lots of tendons and all that. Once you have the broth, you can throw them out. Also, you are missing fresh jalapeno slices on the side plate, its a must. I live for a good pho ga', you got most of it right. But..chicken feet....you will know if you made the broth right if you refrigerate it and the fat forms on the top......mmmmm

Ive seen the Vietnamese put all sorts of things that I cant even identify when they started boiling the broth- its the broth thats the most important thing in Pho. Ive never seen them refrigerate it either.
 
Ive seen the Vietnamese put all sorts of things that I cant even identify when they started boiling the broth- its the broth thats the most important thing in Pho. Ive never seen them refrigerate it either.

Well, I made a helluva lot of it, and it was just me eating it...I couldn't leave it out, had to throw in the fridge.

I've been to Vietnam twice, Pho for breakfast lunch and dinner. Such a wonderful and complex mix.
 
I’m sorry you feel this way about the Pho, cooking can be ether a passion or a chore. For me an all day recipe is a relaxing Zen type experience. In my opinion the best bites take time, smoking meat, soups and sauces with depth are examples. I can spend all day or two on a red sauce ( pasta sauce) to achieve perfection. The effort is as a said, a passion, or for you a silly hobby. In the end, the bites and food will be phenomenal if effort and love went into it.

I love cooking a soup all day. A few years ago a friend gave me one of those chopping gizmos advertised on TV because, she said, she felt so sorry for me doing all that chopping and cooking. I LOVE chopping by hand and really do find it a Zen experience, and the gizmo has never been out of the box.

But I will admit that after searching high and low for fresh lemon grass, I'd just as soon buy McCormick's dried little kibbles. Bah, just thinking about fresh lemon grass frustrates me. If you have a shortcut, please share it.
 
I love cooking a soup all day. A few years ago a friend gave me one of those chopping gizmos advertised on TV because, she said, she felt so sorry for me doing all that chopping and cooking. I LOVE chopping by hand and really do find it a Zen experience, and the gizmo has never been out of the box.

But I will admit that after searching high and low for fresh lemon grass, I'd just as soon buy McCormick's dried little kibbles. Bah, just thinking about fresh lemon grass frustrates me. If you have a shortcut, please share it.

I have a lemon grass plant in a pot on my porch, gonna plant it very soon. It grows like a weed here. And its easy to find fresh in the Vietnamese markets around here.
 
I love cooking a soup all day. A few years ago a friend gave me one of those chopping gizmos advertised on TV because, she said, she felt so sorry for me doing all that chopping and cooking. I LOVE chopping by hand and really do find it a Zen experience, and the gizmo has never been out of the box.

But I will admit that after searching high and low for fresh lemon grass, I'd just as soon buy McCormick's dried little kibbles. Bah, just thinking about fresh lemon grass frustrates me. If you have a shortcut, please share it.

please, no
those dried flakes are nothing like fresh lemongrass
go to an asian food store (or fresh market) and ask for lemongrass. it will likely be in a refrigerator as a bundle of stalks. cheap, too
and here is a marinade recipe that is bodacious for grilled chicken (bone-in thighs work best for me):

Lemongrass Marinade
Ingredients:

3 fresh lemongrass stalks, chopped (finely chop almost like a spring onion, cutting the white tip/edge off then discarding it and then continuing until there is no more white core remaining)

2 tbsp. finely chopped green onion

1 tbsp. minced garlic

1 tsp. dried hot pepper flakes (optional - to taste)

1 tbsp. soy sauce

1 tbsp. sugar

4 1/2 tsp. fish sauce

1 1/2 tsp. kosher salt

Mix together and marinate 2-4 pounds of chicken. Marinate 4 hours. if much longer, it will negatively affect the texture of the chicken meat


THANKS to the OP. will try your recipe tomorrow. was wondering whether i was going to turn the chicken in the fridge into chicken and dumplings or chicken and rice soup. it will now become pho
 
I have a lemon grass plant in a pot on my porch, gonna plant it very soon. It grows like a weed here. And its easy to find fresh in the Vietnamese markets around here.

You're fortunate that it's readily available. I know where to find it now--not in my community, LOL, and I do frequent Asian markets with all the dried minnow snacks--but cooking it is a huge drag.
 
please, no
those dried flakes are nothing like fresh lemongrass
go to an asian food store (or fresh market) and ask for lemongrass. it will likely be in a refrigerator as a bundle of stalks. cheap, too

I agree that dried flakes are nothing like fresh, but I found working with fresh a great hassle--not easily choppable at all.
 
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