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    Re: The "plateau"

    Quote Originally Posted by lurchadams View Post
    What are you doing at the gym 4 days a week? There is no way, my enemy if you are doing at least an hour workout (30 cardio and 30 weights) and you're eating healthy that you won't lose weight. If all else is normal with you, healthwise, there is no reason! Have you spoken with a doctor about it? There might be something else going on with you healthwise <-- I'm serious!
    It depends quite a bit on one's starting weight. The only diets that work properly are permanent and gradual changes. Otherwise, your body fights tooth and claw to keep weight by basically slowing your metabolism until you're practically at starvation level. It adjusts over a long period of time, sure, but it isn't easy.

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    Re: The "plateau"

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    This. I have been working out more than I ever have, and I am barely keeping in shape due to my body reaching middle age. In my younger days I didnt even bother to work out and could eat as much as I want and still remained thin. When you hit 35 your metabolism changes dramatically- you may have to work out twice as hard just to stay healthy. Everyone is different, so there's no universal way to keep in shape except by experimentation.
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    Re: The "plateau"

    Quote Originally Posted by Mr Person View Post
    It depends quite a bit on one's starting weight. The only diets that work properly are permanent and gradual changes. Otherwise, your body fights tooth and claw to keep weight by basically slowing your metabolism until you're practically at starvation level. It adjusts over a long period of time, sure, but it isn't easy.
    I mean - I've gained and lost weight several times. As long as I've stuck to my program (and even with limited, "cheating") I've always made my goal - and then of course gained it all back in order to do it again. I need to stop doing that - the "falling back into bad habits" part.
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    Re: The "plateau"

    Quote Originally Posted by Cardinal View Post
    Seriously, explain the plateau in a concrete, coherent way. No mushy "maybe it's because" or "perhaps it's due to" responses. This is a mathematical problem, and it deserves a near-mathematical response.
    A pound is 3500 calories. If I'm losing 500 calories per day, my weight should be going down incrementally. It should not be staying at the same number.
    So again...in a completely cogent and intellectual way, explain the "plateau."
    The human body is the most complex system in the known universe. The idea that we should know it to mathematical-level precision, is so far from reality that I'll assume you meant it in jest. It should be a goal, and we don't spend near the resource we should to achieve it, but even a scientist specializing in the body, knows very little in terms of math, as related to the human body.

    Here is an attempt to use simple math:

    Metabolism + activity = calories per day to maintain.
    Metabolism is a variable that changes both with activity and changes to diet, and even the change itself is not linear.

    So if you're losing weight at 1800 calorie intake, and stop losing weight, your numbers might look like this:
    1500 metabolism + 150 activity + 150 digestion = 1800/day.

    You can typically reduce your calories and/or increase your activity.

    As you know, you probably don't want calories to go below 1500 to be safe (1200 min?).
    And if you are sedentary, that's a health risk like smoking, so you don't want to cut activity.
    Ideally you want to exercise in a way that is long-term healthy, and adjust calories during this time to lose weight. Once you hit goal, maintain. Over time, diet/body usually adjust so that you can manager you diet by feel rather than calculations. I don't know much about dieting personally (I am ideal BMI without effort, I cannot take credit for it), but I think you want to get your body burning your fat reserves, and then return to a maintenance exercise/diet.


    Examples that describe x-files phenomenon.

    If you start exercising your body may need more calories to fuel the activity (the muscle movements, breathing, etc.)
    However, it may also need more to fuel the creation of muscle mass, so it take some extra calories to build muscles.
    Over time, you will no longer need to add muscle mass at the same exercise level, so your body will stop using those calories (a mini plateau)
    Depending on the exercise, your muscles may get more efficient as they respond to your activity level, and essentially may be able to give you the same work output, for less caloric intake. (another mini plateau)

    So just "starting a constant exercise regime", results in a non-linear change in calories used, over time, in at least two significant ways.
    Similarly when you lose weight, you go through various non-linear changes in metabolism, where your body gets the calories (from your body or digestion), etc.
    Last edited by Mach; 03-03-19 at 12:45 PM.

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