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Weight Loss for 30 Year Old male

Getting ready for my semi nightly run (got knee trouble from an older grappling injury so I run about 3 days a week instead of 5.


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I've dropped my carb intake to <20g a day

There are a bunch of desserts that you can make low carb. My wife makes all of them so it is hard for me to really say what is different, but they can be made to taste identical to the regular high carb stuff. It's pretty fantastic. In order to get into ketosis you have to go ultra low with the carbs. It takes some practice, but once you get the routine down you can drop weight without trying. Plus, you're never hungry which is my favorite part.

Got any more info on that? 20g is like, half a banana lol.
 
Got any more info on that? 20g is like, half a banana lol.

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Yea, it's amazing how many carbs are in common foods like bananas or even whole milk. One funny thing is that when you are only working with 20 carbs it gets really intense at the grocery store. I saw some hot dogs on sale earlier today, but they had 4 carbs a link so I just had to walk away.
 
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You seem pretty motivated and don't mind exercise. Have you considered weight training in addition to running or instead of running?

I know it sounds crazy, but people who start weight training tend to have larger losses of fat weight than people who just do cardio. That's because cardio does little to build muscle and weight training builds muscle. Muscle burns calories, thus if you had two people who are otherwise identical (twins maybe?), they both weigh the same thing, except that one has more muscle mass than the other, the guy with more muscle mass can consume more calories without gaining fat than the other guy.

My weight training workouts take between 45 minutes and an hour and fifteen minutes, and I bet that I get 80% of the cardio-vasucular benefit from these workouts of a cardio workout the same length, and probably burn 90% as many calories, but I get a zillion percent more benefit in strength and appearance.

Aside from general health, one of the biggest reasons that we exercise is to look better. There are people who have been going to my gym for the same 4 years that I have been going, they go in and do cardio several times a week, and never look any different.
After years of cardio, they still don't look "athletic" or particularly fit. During that time, just by doing weight training and eating healthier, I've gone from looking like a fat slob to being lean and toned (I've had more than a few people call me "buff"). Weight training is the quickest route to looking better. And with weight training, because you are gradually changing your body composition, you will find that you don't need to lose as much weight to look and feel healthy.
 
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You seem pretty motivated and don't mind exercise. Have you considered weight training in addition to running or instead of running?

I know it sounds crazy, but people who start weight training tend to have larger losses of fat weight than people who just do cardio. That's because cardio does little to build muscle and weight training builds muscle. Muscle burns calories, thus if you had two people who are otherwise identical (twins maybe?), they both weigh the same thing, except that one has more muscle mass than the other, the guy with more muscle mass can consume more calories without gaining fat than the other guy.

My weight training workouts take between 45 minutes and an hour and fifteen minutes, and I bet that I get 80% of the cardio-vasucular benefit from these workouts of a cardio workout the same length, and probably burn 90% as many calories, but I get a zillion percent more benefit in strength and appearance.

Aside from general health, one of the biggest reasons that we exercise is to look better. There are people who have been going to my gym for the same 4 years that I have been going, they go in and do cardio several times a week, and never look any different.
After years of cardio, they still don't look "athletic" or particularly fit. During that time, just by doing weight training and eating healthier, I've gone from looking like a fat slob to being lean and toned (I've had more than a few people call me "buff"). Weight training is the quickest route to looking better. And with weight training, because you are gradually changing your body composition, you will find that you don't need to lose as much weight to look and feel healthy.

I'd like to add that if you want to give yourself a good edge in any form of grappling pick up those weights. You'll be throwing people around in no time if you get into strength training.
 
Caloric intake...period.

Find out what your body needs every day (mine is 3100 calories).

If I eat more than that (all things being equal) - I gain weight.

Eat less than that - I lose weight.


It ain't rocket science - but too many people try and make it out to be. Go to gym and ask 10 people the perfect diet and you will get 9 different answers.
 
I disagree with this low carb high protein diet that everybody is endorsing. I think you should eat a balanced diet. Enforce portion control- one medium plate of food per meal and thats it- no snacks. Eat whole grains- no refined carbs, lean meat, avoid sugar (soda, candy, etc) and anything processed (stick with fresh rather than frozen, instant or canned). Keep it simple.

Portion control is important. When you cut the refined carbs and avoid sugar, you are taking a big step towards a healthy low carb diet, even if you are not into that kind of thing. Your suggestion requires less discipline, and taking it further would involve choosing between a diet that keeps some of the good carbs and favors leaner protein, or the diet that cuts all the carbs and favors more fats. There is merit to the diet that you suggest.
 
The only problem I see with the idea of portion control and no snacks is that you are automatically putting pressure on your own willpower. If you have people that you are doing this with it might be manageable for a long time, but alone it would be difficult. Plus, you would be hungry. What's the point of that? The low carb thing works because you lose weight without being hungry. There isn't much nutrition you would get out of some type of grain that you can't make up for with dark greens or a couple vitamins.

Well it might be a struggle in the first couple of weeks, but your body's metabolism will adjust to the smaller portions and you will lose weight accordingly. I would say after a time you won't notice the difference, and you would feel better in the long run too.
 
I'm can't do as many reps when I am carb depleted, although it seems like my strength (as in max lift) doesn't decline that much.

And that's another thing I think important to note. A one-size-fits all diet and/or exercise regime is simply not going to be suitable for every person. We are all unique beings and what is comfortable for one person can be miserable for another. And it is really unusual for any person to stick with something that makes him/her miserable for long. And in my opinion, we don't have to because with a little trial and error, we can all find the lifestyle that works for us to be happy, healthy, and accomplish our goals.
 
Well it might be a struggle in the first couple of weeks, but your body's metabolism will adjust to the smaller portions and you will lose weight accordingly. I would say after a time you won't notice the difference, and you would feel better in the long run too.

I think that's true, but it is a rough way to jump into a change. I did it that way for a while and it wasn't too bad, but I was definitely hungry multiple times a day. The approach I'm taking now has lowered my portion size naturally. I didn't even notice it until recently when I went out for some buffalo wings. I could only eat half the amount I could eat before I started Keto. There are different paths to healthiness though, and I did lose weight with the approach you recommended.
 
I disagree with this low carb high protein diet that everybody is endorsing. I think you should eat a balanced diet. Enforce portion control- one medium plate of food per meal and thats it- no snacks. Eat whole grains- no refined carbs, lean meat, avoid sugar (soda, candy, etc) and anything processed (stick with fresh rather than frozen, instant or canned). Keep it simple.

Agreed.

Low carb/low fiber diets are not at all good for the colon and other parts of the body.

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If you don't agree...ask your doctor. Most will agree with me.
 
Caloric intake...period.

Find out what your body needs every day (mine is 3100 calories).

If I eat more than that (all things being equal) - I gain weight.

Eat less than that - I lose weight.


It ain't rocket science - but too many people try and make it out to be. Go to gym and ask 10 people the perfect diet and you will get 9 different answers.

There are some problems with only looking at calories. It is like only looking at gallons of fuel for a car, without taking into consideration that various fuel types have varying amounts of energy per gallon. A gallon of propane will not get your car as far down the road as a gallon of gasoline, so it is not as simple as how many gallons of fuel you put into a car. Our bodies work in a similar way. If you put in fuel that does not burn as well, your body will "waste" energy trying to burn it, and of course if we fuel our bodies with super efficient fuel such as carbohydrates, our bodies will easily convert that fuel to energy. While we may want efficient fuel for our cars that will get us the highest mpg, we want the least efficient fuel for our bodies- fuel that gets us the least mpg. Fat takes more energy to digest than carbs, and the extra energy that it takes to process the fat is like being on a treadmill. Super efficient fuel like carbs gets processed easily and with less energy, which means that the other foods that you ate with the carbs are not needed and can get stored as fat on your waist line. If you get rid of the efficient carbohydrate fuel and just eat fats and protein, you can waste more inches from your waist than you would eating the same number of calories in carbs.
 
There are some problems with only looking at calories. It is like only looking at gallons of fuel for a car, without taking into consideration that various fuel types have varying amounts of energy per gallon. A gallon of propane will not get your car as far down the road as a gallon of gasoline, so it is not as simple as how many gallons of fuel you put into a car. Our bodies work in a similar way. If you put in fuel that does not burn as well, your body will "waste" energy trying to burn it, and of course if we fuel our bodies with super efficient fuel such as carbohydrates, our bodies will easily convert that fuel to energy. While we may want efficient fuel for our cars that will get us the highest mpg, we want the least efficient fuel for our bodies- fuel that gets us the least mpg. Fat takes more energy to digest than carbs, and the extra energy that it takes to process the fat is like being on a treadmill. Super efficient fuel like carbs gets processed easily and with less energy, which means that the other foods that you ate with the carbs are not needed and can get stored as fat on your waist line. If you get rid of the efficient carbohydrate fuel and just eat fats and protein, you can waste more inches from your waist than you would eating the same number of calories in carbs.

You can do what you wish. But what you are talking about is for athletes...not the masses (and I used to pump iron pretty hard for a LONG time).

Imo, unless you work out HARD, watching what type of calories you put in your body (fat, protein or carbs) is not going to make much difference.

And the VAST majority of people do NOT work out hard.

But I do not want to get into a big discussion about it. Everyone has a different idea about dieting.
 
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Keto 101

Yea, it's amazing how many carbs are in common foods like bananas or even whole milk. One funny thing is that when you are only working with 20 carbs it gets really intense at the grocery store. I saw some hot dogs on sale earlier today, but they had 4 carbs a link so I just had to walk away.

Yesterday I thought I had done really good with carbs, but when I checked my totals, I was over 100 grams, was shooting to be less than 50.

Most of the carbs came from two pieces of no sugar whole wheat bread and three taco shells.

I think it's a matter of eating as much meat and eggs as possible, because mean and eggs contain zero carbs. Even one sandwich on white bread can screw up a keto diet.
 
Yesterday I thought I had done really good with carbs, but when I checked my totals, I was over 100 grams, was shooting to be less than 50.

Most of the carbs came from two pieces of no sugar whole wheat bread and three taco shells.

I think it's a matter of eating as much meat and eggs as possible, because mean and eggs contain zero carbs. Even one sandwich on white bread can screw up a keto diet.

One banana has over the daily limit of carbs on keto. Eggs are a really big thing on keto. Cheese and butter are also really big because of their fat content.
 
I think part of the disconnect between some of the posts is due to the word "diet". It can mean two different things.

I can either "go on a diet", or I can have a diet. "Going on a diet" means changing what I eat temporarily for a specific goal, usually weight loss. But having a diet is what I do the rest of the time.

Most of us will not eat the same food composition when we are trying to lose weight (dieting) as we eat in our normal diet.

All three macro-nutrients are important in our normal diet for long term health, but when we are trying to lose weight, we may need to vary that. When we are dieting we might not even be that concerned about long term health because "dieting" is temporary, and it make make sense to us to restrict certain macro-nutrients in order to achieve a calorie deficit. And as someone else pointed out, what may work great for one person may not work well at all for someone else, and the goals of one person may be different than the goals of someone else.

I'm taking a cruise in late feb, so my goal is to lose a good bit of fat while retaining muscle mass, and achieving this prior to my cruise. I really don't care what my weight ends up being, I don't have a specific goal in lbs, but I do want to get rid of the jiggly stuff around my waistline. So since I am concerned about muscle loss, I have a specific need to eat a lot more protein that most dieters would eat. That means I have to cut out most of my dietary fat consumption, or cut out most of my carb consumption, or cut from both carbs and fats without trying to be extreme. I could achieve do it any of those three ways, and I could even alternate in an attempt to figure out which works best for myself. And what works best for me may not work best for someone else.
 
One banana has over the daily limit of carbs on keto. Eggs are a really big thing on keto. Cheese and butter are also really big because of their fat content.

Eggs make me fart, not just regular farts, but the type that can clear out a football stadioum, but I try to eat several a day anyhow.

Never been big on starchy or sugary snacks, but I hate having to give up fruit.
 
You can do what you wish. But what you are talking about is for athletes...not the masses (and I used to pump iron pretty hard for a LONG time).

Imo, unless you work out HARD, watching what type of calories you put in your body (fat, protein or carbs) is not going to make much difference.

And the VAST majority of people do NOT work out hard.

But I do not want to get into a big discussion about it. Everyone has a different idea about dieting.

Lol, you are correct that everybody has a different way. I was simply pointing out that not all calories are the same. I lift on a regular schedule, so these things are more important to me as you pointed out. If we are talking about the masses, most could make out very well by simply identifying what "bad carbs" are, and then simply eliminating those specific ones. The masses do not realize what bad carbs even are, or just how bad they are.
 
Yesterday I thought I had done really good with carbs, but when I checked my totals, I was over 100 grams, was shooting to be less than 50.

Most of the carbs came from two pieces of no sugar whole wheat bread and three taco shells.

I think it's a matter of eating as much meat and eggs as possible, because mean and eggs contain zero carbs. Even one sandwich on white bread can screw up a keto diet.

I like the 50 number a lot. I can have some good carbs with a goal of 50, and the rest of the time I eat green above ground veggies and meat. You can stay under 20 with green veggies and meat, but once you get there it is nice to be able to add some good carbs in there. I have long since reached my goals, and have even more good carbs and have changed my protein to fat ratio to be a little heavier on the protein, since I lift at the gym on a regular schedule. Stick with it!
 
Eggs make me fart, not just regular farts, but the type that can clear out a football stadioum, but I try to eat several a day anyhow.

Never been big on starchy or sugary snacks, but I hate having to give up fruit.

You might want to change that...the AHA and the Mayo Clinic recommend no more than 300mg of cholesterol per day. And one large egg contains about 169 grams of cholesterol.

https://www.bing.com/search?q=chole...-19&sk=&cvid=ED03BD87B9674BC2A4E24AF2CCFE01B1

How Many Milligrams of Cholesterol Should I Have a Day? | LIVESTRONG.COM

Just sayin'...
 
You seem pretty motivated and don't mind exercise. Have you considered weight training in addition to running or instead of running?

I know it sounds crazy, but people who start weight training tend to have larger losses of fat weight than people who just do cardio. That's because cardio does little to build muscle and weight training builds muscle. Muscle burns calories, thus if you had two people who are otherwise identical (twins maybe?), they both weigh the same thing, except that one has more muscle mass than the other, the guy with more muscle mass can consume more calories without gaining fat than the other guy.

My weight training workouts take between 45 minutes and an hour and fifteen minutes, and I bet that I get 80% of the cardio-vasucular benefit from these workouts of a cardio workout the same length, and probably burn 90% as many calories, but I get a zillion percent more benefit in strength and appearance.

Aside from general health, one of the biggest reasons that we exercise is to look better. There are people who have been going to my gym for the same 4 years that I have been going, they go in and do cardio several times a week, and never look any different.
After years of cardio, they still don't look "athletic" or particularly fit. During that time, just by doing weight training and eating healthier, I've gone from looking like a fat slob to being lean and toned (I've had more than a few people call me "buff"). Weight training is the quickest route to looking better. And with weight training, because you are gradually changing your body composition, you will find that you don't need to lose as much weight to look and feel healthy.

Yes actually. Unfortunately my gym is kinda crappy. Limited equipment and too many people. I do get in their sometimes, but I need to do more for sure. I've never been a weight lifter though. The one thing I have to be concerned about with weight lifting is losing flexibility.

It is really important to maintain flexibility for jujitsu. Mainly so you don't get injured. I'm surprisingly flexible for a dude my size. But I do need to maintain a weight routine that benefits my shape. More core strength and so on.


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You might want to change that...the AHA and the Mayo Clinic recommend no more than 300mg of cholesterol per day. And one large egg contains about 169 grams of cholesterol.

https://www.bing.com/search?q=chole...-19&sk=&cvid=ED03BD87B9674BC2A4E24AF2CCFE01B1

How Many Milligrams of Cholesterol Should I Have a Day? | LIVESTRONG.COM

Just sayin'...

I probably should have said "egg whites"...out of a carton. I pour five servings into a big cup, add about that much more water, a scoop of protein isolate, and drink. That's 55 grams of protein, 3 grams of carbs, 1.5 grams of fat total. One of these for breakfast, one an hour before my workout, and the same thing just before bed - except that I use a slower digesting protein powder so that I don't wake up starving.
 
Yes actually. Unfortunately my gym is kinda crappy. Limited equipment and too many people. I do get in their sometimes, but I need to do more for sure. I've never been a weight lifter though. The one thing I have to be concerned about with weight lifting is losing flexibility.

It is really important to maintain flexibility for jujitsu. Mainly so you don't get injured. I'm surprisingly flexible for a dude my size. But I do need to maintain a weight routine that benefits my shape. More core strength and so on.


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I doubt you would lose much flexibility, especially if you are already well over 250 lbs. Since lifting weights involves stretching muscles/tendons, and ideally a full range of motion, I would think that most people actually gain flexibility.

My gym is often crowed also, especially this week, but even so, it's rare that I have to wait on equipment more than a few minutes. Honestly, I often walk up to a particular piece of equipment and they look at me and leave, I dunno if I'm just that ugly or if most people only do one set, either way it works for me. If they don't leave I will just select and alternative exercise for that bodypart.
 
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So anyone got any recommendations? I'm 27 now, but I'm getting closer. I found this website and it seems to have good advice:

Diet & Exercise Plan for a 30-Year-Old Man | LIVESTRONG.COM

Caveat is that I do Brazilian jujitsu 2 days a week. It isn't quite as intense as I need. So I'm going to need to push it. I need to focus on weight loss. I'm already pretty damn strong through. And for a fat guy, I've got good cardio. I'm in the upper 260s now.


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Here's what I started to do at the end of college when I was starting to become overweight:

I can say what worked for me, which I found particularly easy after a short time:

- Cut out all caloric drinks other than stuff like milk, tomato juice, V8, booze. (Basically, sodas and fruit juices)
- Stop buying snack foods entirely.
- Don't buy pre-prepared foods like frozen meals, even frozen veggies with sauce (they usually load it with calories). Cook your meals and use "raw ingredients" as others have mentioned.
- Stop eating dessert.


Within a month, I didn't miss a thing. Now, I actively despise the taste of all that. (My wife will often order a desert when we're out and ask me to try some. Tastes overpoweringly sweet these days. Yuck). If it sounds like too much at once, start with one of the things. And add more as time goes on.

I never paid attention to portions. Just stuck with meals I cooked for myself (start easy, with whole chickens, roasts, etc, if you don't currently cook).

Combining with exercise won't hurt, even if it is just going on walks (multiple miles).







Basically, you'll end up eating more whole fruit, veggies, meat, and less carbs - especially the worst kind (sugar or 'fructose corn syrup', which is also sugar). May take longer to see results than a diet, but results will be permanent so long as you don't cheat.



As for exercise, up to this point I try to alternate between running (2.7 or 5.4 mi) one day (or 20 min on rowing machine ~175+ watts/pull avg) and lifting (full 80m upper-body workout with free weights in basement).

My equipment allows me to do this:

The usual free weight workout in my basement. (So convenient)



Stage 1 rotation: 2-hand curls, 1-hand rows (braced against bench), whatever its called when you hold a dumbell in each hand and slowly bring from waist to shoulder-level while keeping the arm straight and back down, and weighted dips.

Stage 2 rotation: 2-hand skull crushers, flies, reverse flies, horizontal pull-ups (my ceiling is too low for a proper stand, and the door frames down there aren't good for it), weighted dips at lighter weight.

1 round of warm-ups for each exercise and 3 sets of full-weight reps.

The idea is to move continuously through each rotation at a fast enough speed that I exhaust the muscles and keep a heart rate around near where it is in a proper aerobic workout.

Caveat: In stage one, I meant "flies" when I said "whatever its called when you hold a dumbell in each hand and slowly bring from waist to shoulder-level while keeping the arm straight and back down"......




After all that, I've started alternating rapid sets of dips and horizontal pull-ups, taking 10 lbs off the added weights to dips each set until I'm down to no weights. Then I alternate incline pushups (aka, hands on ground, feet up on the steps down to the basement) until I can't get more than 10 in one go.

But then, I've decided to try to push it for a year and see what increases remain reasonably possible. I'm mid-30s.
 
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But basically, the diet did the most work. Immediately after the dietary changes, I entered law school. I worked out more than ever because I had multiple ****-tons of stress to work off. Then I slowed down for a while but kept running. Now, a decade or so later, I've been trying to ramp it back up.



Basically, I want to be the 100 year old who runs a marathon, even it takes 9 hours.....



Perhaps I will change my mind later.
 
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