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Weight Loss for 30 Year Old male

I feel like the carb stuff isn't necessary for big weightlifting workouts. I feel just as good in weight training under low carbs as I did when I ate whatever carbs I wanted. I'm not a runner, but every runner I know definitely loves some carbs before they go on a long run. Maybe there is a difference between the two workouts.

good point

the big thing used to be, calories in, calories out...but new research shows that what the calories are does matter because of the bodies response to certain foods.

it's also good to differentiate between simple carbs and complex carbs...both have their place

simple carbs are a fast burn and long distance running needs simple carbs....when people marathon they have to eat during the run as the body needs that fast burning energy...plus most long distance runners carry little to no extra fat as training for a marathon is a year long process

the idea of running makes me want to sit down and have a bagel... :mrgreen:
 
Cut back on the beer

This

I had no idea until I started using the MyFitnessPal app, which happens to have a library of every beer and their calories, that with my 2-3 Raging Bitches a night made up the exact amount of daily calories (440-660) I needed a deficit of in order to drop 2 lbs per week.

I had already quit sodas (without booze that is), ate better (light breakfast, salad or sushi for lunch, macronutrient completing dinner) and got more active (10k steps per day, 20 flights of stairs at least) but was maintaining weight.

Sucks not having a drink to unwind after work, but man have a begun to make progress now.
 
good point

the big thing used to be, calories in, calories out...but new research shows that what the calories are does matter because of the bodies response to certain foods.

it's also good to differentiate between simple carbs and complex carbs...both have their place

simple carbs are a fast burn and long distance running needs simple carbs....when people marathon they have to eat during the run as the body needs that fast burning energy...plus most long distance runners carry little to no extra fat as training for a marathon is a year long process

the idea of running makes me want to sit down and have a bagel... :mrgreen:
Yea, I am so happy all that calorie in/ calorie out stuff is fading away. Now everybody can eat again! I think running is just so intensive for the body that you really need those carbs in the gas tank. Pushing heavy things around, eh not so much.
 
So anyone got any recommendations? I'm 27 now, but I'm getting closer. I found this website and it seems to have good advice:

Diet & Exercise Plan for a 30-Year-Old Man | LIVESTRONG.COM

Caveat is that I do Brazilian jujitsu 2 days a week. It isn't quite as intense as I need. So I'm going to need to push it. I need to focus on weight loss. I'm already pretty damn strong through. And for a fat guy, I've got good cardio. I'm in the upper 260s now.


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If your BJJ is not "intense as you need", you are at the wrong school.


you need to be rolling live, 3 min rounds, for as long as you can hold out. We go for 2-3 hrs sometimes.
 
I disagree with this low carb high protein diet that everybody is endorsing. I think you should eat a balanced diet. Enforce portion control- one medium plate of food per meal and thats it- no snacks. Eat whole grains- no refined carbs, lean meat, avoid sugar (soda, candy, etc) and anything processed (stick with fresh rather than frozen, instant or canned). Keep it simple.
 
And cut back of sugar.

It is unrealistic though to eliminate ALL sugar on an American diet and I find a small amount of sugar to be WAY more beneficial than most artificial sweeteners that don't add calories but do increase cravings for sweets. I have a huge sweet tooth but a little raw honey or pure maple syrup takes care of what a LOT of processed sugar was once necessary for me to be happy.
 
I feel like the carb stuff isn't necessary for big weightlifting workouts. I feel just as good in weight training under low carbs as I did when I ate whatever carbs I wanted. I'm not a runner, but every runner I know definitely loves some carbs before they go on a long run. Maybe there is a difference between the two workouts.

I'm can't do as many reps when I am carb depleted, although it seems like my strength (as in max lift) doesn't decline that much.
 
I disagree with this low carb high protein diet that everybody is endorsing. I think you should eat a balanced diet. Enforce portion control- one medium plate of food per meal and thats it- no snacks. Eat whole grains- no refined carbs, lean meat, avoid sugar (soda, candy, etc) and anything processed (stick with fresh rather than frozen, instant or canned). Keep it simple.

The only problem I see with the idea of portion control and no snacks is that you are automatically putting pressure on your own willpower. If you have people that you are doing this with it might be manageable for a long time, but alone it would be difficult. Plus, you would be hungry. What's the point of that? The low carb thing works because you lose weight without being hungry. There isn't much nutrition you would get out of some type of grain that you can't make up for with dark greens or a couple vitamins.
 
This

I had no idea until I started using the MyFitnessPal app, which happens to have a library of every beer and their calories, that with my 2-3 Raging Bitches a night made up the exact amount of daily calories (440-660) I needed a deficit of in order to drop 2 lbs per week.

I had already quit sodas (without booze that is), ate better (light breakfast, salad or sushi for lunch, macronutrient completing dinner) and got more active (10k steps per day, 20 flights of stairs at least) but was maintaining weight.

Sucks not having a drink to unwind after work, but man have a begun to make progress now.

When I'm logging my diet into that app, I consistantly lose weight, when I stop logging, then I tend to gain weight. yea, I think most people would be better off keeping up with their macros.
 
Just stop eating so much you greedy slobbery guts!:lamo
 
I'm can't do as many reps when I am carb depleted, although it seems like my strength (as in max lift) doesn't decline that much.

When I initially went low carb I had a noticeable lack of energy. When I added in high fat I still lost the weight, but I also gained energy back to my normal levels. I never really max out reps though when it comes to weights, I work out alone, so I haven't noticed a loss of reps personally.
 
good point

the big thing used to be, calories in, calories out...but new research shows that what the calories are does matter because of the bodies response to certain foods.

it's also good to differentiate between simple carbs and complex carbs...both have their place

simple carbs are a fast burn and long distance running needs simple carbs....when people marathon they have to eat during the run as the body needs that fast burning energy...plus most long distance runners carry little to no extra fat as training for a marathon is a year long process

the idea of running makes me want to sit down and have a bagel... :mrgreen:

Food quality matters for health reasons, but you still have to run a calorie deficit to lose weight.

The concept that calories don't matter comes from the observation that going on a low carb diet can cause immediate weight loss that exceeds what conventional weight loss theory tells us we should have.

What everyone is missing is that our body stores nutrients other than fat, and we we start eating low carb, our body will burn large amounts of glucose that is stored in the body, and for every gram of glucose we store we also store 4 grams of water (or something like that) - so loosing 1 lb of glucose can result in a total of five lbs of weight loss, plus when we go on a low carb diet we tend to eat less food and thus at any one given time we will have less undigested food working it's way through our system, and we will drop a few more lbs due to that. So a low carb diet can result in a total loss of 3-5% of our bodyweight in ten days or less - without actually burning one oz of fat.

On a low carb diet, it's only after we are pretty much fully carb depleted that we go into ketoses and start burning fat. And we can regain that first 3-5% nearly instantly if we go off the low carb diet (but that's not particularly bad, it's weight gain but not fat gain).

Even if we don't realize that we are eating less calories, we are, and that's why we eventually start loosing weight on any diet that restricts certain food items. When we restrict our diet from certain foods (or to certain foods) we naturally eat fewer calories.

Yesterday I had a friend to "inform" me that you can eat all the fatty foods that you want to, regardless of calories, and still lose weight, as long as you didn't eat any carbs. While there is some bases for eating a high fat moderate protein near zero carb diet, it's simply not true that carbs don't matter.

There are a ton of people out there trying to sell some weightloss product, claiming that calories don't matter, but that's a sales spiel, that's what people WANT to hear, but it's not the truth.

All that said, I advocate for a high protein, moderately low carb AND moderately low fat diet when trying to lose weight, and high protein moderate carb and fat when trying to maintain.

At least that's my take on it, I've read just about everything I can on the subject, and there is a lot of bro-science out there. We have to filter through the bullcrap to figure out what the truth is.
 
When I initially went low carb I had a noticeable lack of energy. When I added in high fat I still lost the weight, but I also gained energy back to my normal levels....

I've had some other people tell me that, and it makes sense to me.

My issue with eating a high fat diet is that each gram of fat has 8 calories, while a gram of protein or carbs only has 4 calories, so eating a high fat diet can put you into a calories surplus much quicker than a moderate fat diet would. I would think that if someone isn't eating enough calories, they are going to have a lack of energy, so increasing their calories in the form of extra protein may result in the same increase of energy as eating more fat does (not sure about that, just a theory). Plus, since fat isn't water soluble, high fat foods tend to have less total volume, and thus might not be as satisfying as the same number of calories in higher volume foods (think a quarter of a teaspoon of vegetable oil verses three sticks of celery).

Not to mention the fact that our body expends almost no calories converting ingested fat to bodyfat, while it burns much more calories when it converts carbohydrates or proteins to fat. Seems to me that I'm better off on having a little too much protein or carbs than a little too much fat.
 
The only problem I see with the idea of portion control and no snacks is that you are automatically putting pressure on your own willpower. If you have people that you are doing this with it might be manageable for a long time, but alone it would be difficult. Plus, you would be hungry. What's the point of that? The low carb thing works because you lose weight without being hungry. There isn't much nutrition you would get out of some type of grain that you can't make up for with dark greens or a couple vitamins.

I agree.

Particularly if we are just looking to maintain our weight (rather than lose weight). When we snack, we pretty much burn the food as we eat it, thus there is little or no fat storage. When we eat large meals, we can't burn all the calories at once, thus we tend to store those calories as fat, and since our body really doesn't like to give up it's fat, we will become hungry and eat more, rather than to burn the fat we stored after large meals.

Almost everyone who is very obese eats large meals, but since they only eat two or three meals a day, they don't recognize just how much food they are consuming total (my sister in-law can eat a couple thousand calories per meal - and she is a 400+ pounder). Skinny people often snack all day long, to the point that they seem like they are constantly eating, which explains why they sometimes say "I just can't seem to gain any weight" or why people will say "he sure does eat a lot for such a skinny feller".

When our parents told us not to snack before our meal, they were totally wrong about that. We should actually eat a little BEFORE we get hungry, thus we will eat in moderation and that "I'm starving to death" signal, which makes us overeat at mealtimes, never happens.

Bodybuilders will often eat every two hours or so, even when they are dieting for a competition trying to lose every oz of bodyfat that they can. The top end bodybuilders will often lose 30-50lbs lbs for a competition (after purposely bulking to gain muscle) and they can lose that much in just a few months. They have dieting down to a science, and if we are looking for someone who's had amazing results at dieting, we should be following what they do, mimicking their success.
 
I've had some other people tell me that, and it makes sense to me.

My issue with eating a high fat diet is that each gram of fat has 8 calories, while a gram of protein or carbs only has 4 calories, so eating a high fat diet can put you into a calories surplus much quicker than a moderate fat diet would. I would think that if someone isn't eating enough calories, they are going to have a lack of energy, so increasing their calories in the form of extra protein may result in the same increase of energy as eating more fat does (not sure about that, just a theory). Plus, since fat isn't water soluble, high fat foods tend to have less total volume, and thus might not be as satisfying as the same number of calories in higher volume foods (think a quarter of a teaspoon of vegetable oil verses three sticks of celery).

Not to mention the fact that our body expends almost no calories converting ingested fat to bodyfat, while it burns much more calories when it converts carbohydrates or proteins to fat. Seems to me that I'm better off on having a little too much protein or carbs than a little too much fat.

The idea behind the keto diet is that you change the fuel your body uses for energy. If you regularly eat carbs throughout the day your body will run off of them because they are so easy to transform into usable energy. When there are no carbs your body will break down fat to use as energy. That's why for the first week or two when you start a low carb diet you feel tired and a little off. Your body is going through a transition. When your body becomes fat adapted you can basically eat as much fat as you want because your body becomes efficient at transforming it into energy. I've dropped my carb intake to <20g a day and dramatically increased my fat intake by adding tons of cheese, butter, and fatty meats. My energy level now is higher than it was before I started, and I'm still losing weight. It's just that now I can eat hamburgers, hotdogs, and cheesecake without feeling like I'm screwing up somehow.
 
For weight loss, diet is absolutely key. I repeat, for weight loss, diet is absolutely key.

Find a diet plan that works for you, what worked for me, and my work schedule was zero carbs, just veggies and proteins. My breakfast everyday was 3 eggs with a sausage. For lunch I got chicken, and for dinner it wassome sort of beef. While obviously home meals are preferred but if you're eating out or eating fast food stick with something hefty in protein and veggies, avoid bread, soda, and beer at all costs. From there,you can be a bit more liberal with your diet as long as you also maintain that same level of exercise.

I agree with this. Exercise alone can get you strength and stamina. But to lose the weight you have to modify your diet.
Better food as you are mentioning is important. For me also I like to get a baseline of calories so I know about how much I can eat to reach a goal.
The place to start with that is calculating your base metabolic rate, adjust but your activity level and then you will know about how many calories you burn every day.
Then you can figure out a diet.
 
So anyone got any recommendations? I'm 27 now, but I'm getting closer. I found this website and it seems to have good advice:

Diet & Exercise Plan for a 30-Year-Old Man | LIVESTRONG.COM

Caveat is that I do Brazilian jujitsu 2 days a week. It isn't quite as intense as I need. So I'm going to need to push it. I need to focus on weight loss. I'm already pretty damn strong through. And for a fat guy, I've got good cardio. I'm in the upper 260s now.


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Lotta good advice for you in thread. I'm a terrible person to give you advice because i've always been skinny. I have difficulty with appetite which controls my intake and allows me to eat garbage without gaining a lot of weight. I was 6' tall and 120 lbs for about a decade, now i'm about 160 lbs.

Weight loss is supposed to be simple math- calories in, calories out. If you want to burn fat, you need to eat less than you expend. Some people believe that fasting can help, that it allows our immune system to go into a maintenance phase (something that it doesn't really get when we rarely go more than 9 hours without eating). Fasting can be difficult for those on a high-sugar diet because the metabolism is not tooled to burn fat, however, for those on a high-fat, low-sugar diet, it can be beneficial.

There's also gut bacteria. All the carbohydrates we ingest (bread, sugar, etc.) are great food for bad bacteria in our digestive tract. Feeding these bacteria can increase inflammation and bloating. Acid reflux is a common issue because the bacteria eats the carbs and outputs gas, that gas increases pressure until the esophageal flap opens up and acid reflux results. Ordinarily, our stomach acid and diet should keep this bacterial growth in check, but going on antacids can actually make this worse by reducing the ability of the stomach acid to kill the bacteria. So we can treat the symptom but worsen the underlying cause in some cases.

My advice is a high produce/protein diet, regular exercise, but, perhaps most importantly, a realistic schedule. What's most important is to persevere with what plan you coke up with. Making it unrealistically difficult can erode your chances of success.

In any case, you clearly have the willpower, and i wish you well!!
 
...I've dropped my carb intake to <20g a day...

That's crazy low. I've been struggling to keep my carbs at 60-100g/day. I could probably do better, but eating too many eggs (zero carbs but lots of protein and fat) makes me fart really bad.

Isn't cheesecake packed full of carbs, or do you make a low/no carb version of it? I could deal with eating some cheesecake.
 
Food quality matters for health reasons, but you still have to run a calorie deficit to lose weight.

The concept that calories don't matter comes from the observation that going on a low carb diet can cause immediate weight loss that exceeds what conventional weight loss theory tells us we should have.

What everyone is missing is that our body stores nutrients other than fat, and we we start eating low carb, our body will burn large amounts of glucose that is stored in the body, and for every gram of glucose we store we also store 4 grams of water (or something like that) - so loosing 1 lb of glucose can result in a total of five lbs of weight loss, plus when we go on a low carb diet we tend to eat less food and thus at any one given time we will have less undigested food working it's way through our system, and we will drop a few more lbs due to that. So a low carb diet can result in a total loss of 3-5% of our bodyweight in ten days or less - without actually burning one oz of fat.

On a low carb diet, it's only after we are pretty much fully carb depleted that we go into ketoses and start burning fat. And we can regain that first 3-5% nearly instantly if we go off the low carb diet (but that's not particularly bad, it's weight gain but not fat gain).

Even if we don't realize that we are eating less calories, we are, and that's why we eventually start loosing weight on any diet that restricts certain food items. When we restrict our diet from certain foods (or to certain foods) we naturally eat fewer calories.

Yesterday I had a friend to "inform" me that you can eat all the fatty foods that you want to, regardless of calories, and still lose weight, as long as you didn't eat any carbs. While there is some bases for eating a high fat moderate protein near zero carb diet, it's simply not true that carbs don't matter.

There are a ton of people out there trying to sell some weightloss product, claiming that calories don't matter, but that's a sales spiel, that's what people WANT to hear, but it's not the truth.

All that said, I advocate for a high protein, moderately low carb AND moderately low fat diet when trying to lose weight, and high protein moderate carb and fat when trying to maintain.

At least that's my take on it, I've read just about everything I can on the subject, and there is a lot of bro-science out there. We have to filter through the bullcrap to figure out what the truth is.

I think you misunderstood my post. I have never claimed that calories don't matter. However, the calories in calories/out is completely misleading, it is simply not that easy.

And neither is healthy eating. I recommend google and research as what we understood as correct a decade ago has changed significantly. We stay on top of things and have for decades.

When I see posts in here mocking veggies and advocating high fat meat I just shrug...they know nothing about nutrition or their own health...good luck to them as they are abusing their bodies.

Any thinking being should realize we have one body in this life, it deserves respect.

Kudos to you and your interest and your reading...it is rare which is why most people are fat. :thumbs:
 
That's crazy low. I've been struggling to keep my carbs at 60-100g/day. I could probably do better, but eating too many eggs (zero carbs but lots of protein and fat) makes me fart really bad.

Isn't cheesecake packed full of carbs, or do you make a low/no carb version of it? I could deal with eating some cheesecake.
There are a bunch of desserts that you can make low carb. My wife makes all of them so it is hard for me to really say what is different, but they can be made to taste identical to the regular high carb stuff. It's pretty fantastic. In order to get into ketosis you have to go ultra low with the carbs. It takes some practice, but once you get the routine down you can drop weight without trying. Plus, you're never hungry which is my favorite part.
 
So anyone got any recommendations? I'm 27 now, but I'm getting closer. I found this website and it seems to have good advice:

Diet & Exercise Plan for a 30-Year-Old Man | LIVESTRONG.COM

Caveat is that I do Brazilian jujitsu 2 days a week. It isn't quite as intense as I need. So I'm going to need to push it. I need to focus on weight loss. I'm already pretty damn strong through. And for a fat guy, I've got good cardio. I'm in the upper 260s now.


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I lost 70 lbs at 62. It's a simple matter of exercise and diet. Take the stairs instead of the escalator, walk for an hour after dinner, eat a healthy breakfast.....

The dieticians in my diabetes clinic say 'eat like a king in the morning, average at mid day and a pauper at night.

Forego 'empty calories' like pop and candy etc.

But, and this is the most important, allow yourself to cheat once a week....but only if you have been rigorous through the week. I get a slice of cheesecake or a chocolate chip cookie once a week.

And lastly, be patient and don't weigh yourself until you're into reduction as you will gain a few pounds at first as muscle weighs more than fat and even walking builds muscle. Instead use your belt....set a goal to cinch in one loop [about an inch] at a certain date.

With hard work I managed to lose about 10 lbs a month, which my doc said was fast but still good. It stayed off for the most part as I made what I did to lose weight my new way of life.

Term diets never work...as soon as you go back to your old ways, the fat comes back
 
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When I see posts in here mocking veggies and advocating high fat meat I just shrug...

Me also. But that's a huge part of the popularity of the Keto/Atkins type diet - people just want to believe that a plate full of lard is better than a plate full of veggies. Ha!
 
There are a bunch of desserts that you can make low carb. My wife makes all of them so it is hard for me to really say what is different, but they can be made to taste identical to the regular high carb stuff. It's pretty fantastic. In order to get into ketosis you have to go ultra low with the carbs. It takes some practice, but once you get the routine down you can drop weight without trying. Plus, you're never hungry which is my favorite part.

Can I borrow your wife for a few weeks? She seems handy to have around.
 
Me also. But that's a huge part of the popularity of the Keto/Atkins type diet - people just want to believe that a plate full of lard is better than a plate full of veggies. Ha!
if they are eating lard and veggies and nothing else they are likely fine...the problem is also food combos...

unless one puts the effort and time into researching like you do, like I do...they are going simply on emotion and what feels good to eat

can you believe this...after one has experienced a major medical event that can be controlled by diet, 3 months after the event there is only a 10% compliance...basically that means they value chowing down on crap more than their own health

that is some messed up stuff...stupidity at it's finest...and what you hear from them is...it tastes good

UNbelievable... but that's human stupidity...fast gratification ...
 
Can I borrow your wife for a few weeks? She seems handy to have around.

I'm pretty lucky. When she first told me about keto I laughed at her. 37 pounds later I'm feeling pretty good about it. She makes it real easy to keep on track.
 
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