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Xelor

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Fletch is now the second member who's remarked to me that clicking the links I provide to DP posts do not take him to the same destination post to which clicking on the same link takes me.

Fletch's remark (shown below in blue) suggests to that DP somehow uses a page identifier as part of the address for a given post. I examined the underlying address for the tinyurl link I provided for post 78. That address contains "https://www." followed by "debatepolitics.com/general-political-discussion/328297-white-house-counsel-has-spent-30-hours-sharing-detailed-accounts-mueller-report-3.html#post1068923303". My reading of that address is as follows:

  • 328297 --> Unique thread identifier
  • 1068923303 --> Unique portion of a post identifier
  • debatepolitics.com/ --> Unique domain ("town") identifier
  • general-political-discussion/ --> Unique name or identifier of a "neighborhood" within the domain ("town")
  • white-house-counsel-has-spent-30-hours-sharing-detailed-accounts-mueller-report-3 --> "plain language" thread name ("street name" -- no uniqueness constraint)
I don't see anything that explicitly references a page number, so Fletch's remark doesn't reconcile with my understanding of the web address I see for post 78.

Given the above, would one of the mods or SysAdms please explain what, if anything is causing Fletch to, upon clicking the hyperlink I provided, being taken to a page that has "nothing there?"

Xelor said:
How droll of you to attempt to shift to me a burden of proof regarding a conjecture you put forth (see red text -- it's what I commented on). The burden of proof is on you to show your conjecture's soundness/cogency, not on me to show the conjecture holds no water.
Fletch said:
And what was my 'conjecture?'

Xelor said:
Pink:
"Effin' A!" You made it! Do you not the difference between a positive assertion and an conjecture?

Click the hyperlink shown above, read the red text in the quoted passage you see at the link destination. That's your conjecture.

Fletch said:
Your hyperlink takes me to page 3. There is nothing there.
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Blue:
The relevant post, post 78, is on page 3 for me too.

My DP settings display 30 posts per page. The thread, as of your comment above, has 90 posts.
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Xelor said:
Fletch is now the second member who's remarked to me that clicking the links I provide to DP posts do not take him to the same destination post to which clicking on the same link takes me.

Fletch's remark (shown below in blue) suggests to that DP somehow uses a page identifier as part of the address for a given post. I examined the underlying address for the tinyurl link I provided for post 78. That address contains "https://www." followed by "debatepolitics.com/general-political-discussion/328297-white-house-counsel-has-spent-30-hours-sharing-detailed-accounts-mueller-report-3.html#post1068923303". My reading of that address is as follows:

  • 328297 --> Unique thread identifier
  • 1068923303 --> Unique portion of a post identifier
  • debatepolitics.com/ --> Unique domain ("town") identifier
  • general-political-discussion/ --> Unique name or identifier of a "neighborhood" within the domain ("town")
  • white-house-counsel-has-spent-30-hours-sharing-detailed-accounts-mueller-report-3 --> "plain language" thread name ("street name" -- no uniqueness constraint)
I don't see anything that explicitly references a page number, so Fletch's remark doesn't reconcile with my understanding of the web address I see for post 78.

Given the above, would one of the mods or SysAdms please explain what, if anything is causing Fletch to, upon clicking the hyperlink I provided, being taken to a page that has "nothing there?"

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I don't think you can link to post #s. Maybe he's just too lazy to scroll down.
 
NeverTrumpGOP said:
I don't think you can link to post #s. Maybe he's just too lazy to scroll down.
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I've done it quite a bit and haven't heard of any problems. I just right click (Mac style) on the number of the post, select, "Copy Link Address", then paste.

So to copy the link to your post above, I'd put the cursor on "#2" at your post, Copy Link Address, then paste.

https://www.debatepolitics.com/feed...nistrators-post1068925731.html#post1068925731

Or "https://www.debatepolitics.com/feedback-suggestions/328397-question-moderators-and-system-administrators-post1068925731.html#post1068925731"
 
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Xelor said:
Fletch is now the second member who's remarked to me that clicking the links I provide to DP posts do not take him to the same destination post to which clicking on the same link takes me.

Fletch's remark (shown below in blue) suggests to that DP somehow uses a page identifier as part of the address for a given post. I examined the underlying address for the tinyurl link I provided for post 78. That address contains "https://www." followed by "debatepolitics.com/general-political-discussion/328297-white-house-counsel-has-spent-30-hours-sharing-detailed-accounts-mueller-report-3.html#post1068923303".
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When I do it, I put the cursor on "#78" at the top right of the post, Mac right click (two finger on the track pad), select "Copy Link Address" and get a different URL.

https://www.debatepolitics.com/gene...ler-report-post1068923303.html#post1068923303

here's the full address

"https://www.debatepolitics.com/general-political-discussion/328297-white-house-counsel-has-spent-30-hours-sharing-detailed-accounts-mueller-report-post1068923303.html#post1068923303"

Seems to work for me.
 
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JasperL said:
I've done it quite a bit and haven't heard of any problems. I just right click (Mac style) on the number of the post, select, "Copy Link Address", then paste.

So to copy the link to your post above, I'd put the cursor on "#2" at your post, Copy Link Address, then paste.

https://www.debatepolitics.com/feed...nistrators-post1068925731.html#post1068925731

Or "https://www.debatepolitics.com/feedback-suggestions/328397-question-moderators-and-system-administrators-post1068925731.html#post1068925731"
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Test.

https://www.debatepolitics.com/feed...and-system-administrators.html#post1068925854
 
JasperL said:
I've done it quite a bit and haven't heard of any problems. I just right click (Mac style) on the number of the post, select, "Copy Link Address", then paste.

So to copy the link to your post above, I'd put the cursor on "#2" at your post, Copy Link Address, then paste.
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When you click on any of the hyperlinks in this thread's OP, does it take you to post 78 in the titled "White House counsel has spent 30 hours sharing detailed accounts with Mueller: report?"


What you've described (in both your posts) is
  1. How to obtain the web address of a given post, and
  2. How you present that web address in a post.
I'll refer to the second of those two things as pasting an "explicit link." I nearly never do that; I "hyperlink" text just as one finds on many a webpage. To "hyperlink" text, I use the "globe with a link" tool the forum provides and paste the link there. That tool looks roughly like this:

hyperlink-10864164.jpg

Each of the emboldened and underlined passages of text in this thread's OP is hyperlinked text.
 
JasperL said:
I've done it quite a bit and haven't heard of any problems. I just right click (Mac style) on the number of the post, select, "Copy Link Address", then paste.

So to copy the link to your post above, I'd put the cursor on "#2" at your post, Copy Link Address, then paste.

https://www.debatepolitics.com/feed...nistrators-post1068925731.html#post1068925731

Or "https://www.debatepolitics.com/feedback-suggestions/328397-question-moderators-and-system-administrators-post1068925731.html#post1068925731"
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You can get even fancier, if you wish. You can highlight a piece of text, and use the 'World Link' tool bar button to add a link to that highlighted text.

For example:
This is a link to Post #3
 
Xelor said:
When you click on any of the hyperlinks in this thread's OP, does it take you to post 78 in the titled "White House counsel has spent 30 hours sharing detailed accounts with Mueller: report?"
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No, your original link takes me to page 3 of that thread, but my settings are 10/page, not the 30 you use, so the post at the top of your link is #21....


What you've described (in both your posts) is
  1. How to obtain the web address of a given post, and
  2. How you present that web address in a post.
I'll refer to the second of those two things as pasting an "explicit link." I nearly never do that; I "hyperlink" text just as one finds on many a webpage. To "hyperlink" text, I use the "globe with a link" tool the forum provides and paste the link there. That tool looks roughly like this:
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Right, I was just posting the bare/explicit link because we were talking about how to refer to specific posts in this thread. Otherwise, I've have referred your post at #78

I thought posting it bare would show the whole link, so I could demonstrate it's a different one than you used. But DP shortened that and left out a bunch of characters, so I edited the post and used "" to force the system to show the entire link.
 
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eohrnberger said:
You can get even fancier, if you wish. You can highlight a piece of text, and use the 'World Link' tool bar button to add a link to that highlighted text.

For example:
This is a link to Post #3
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BTW, I learned a little trick, for me at least. If you have the link copied, you highlight the text in the post, click on the globe, then immediately "command V/CTRL V" and "return" - so no need to click inside the box that comes up when you hit the globe, and no need to use the cursor and mouse or track pad to hit "OK" next to the box.

I'm old so the youngsters are probably going - no duh grandpa! - but I'd been dutifully clicking inside the box for years, pasting the link, then using the cursor to then hit "OK" until just a few months ago. :roll:
 
JasperL said:
I've done it quite a bit and haven't heard of any problems. I just right click (Mac style) on the number of the post, select, "Copy Link Address", then paste.

So to copy the link to your post above, I'd put the cursor on "#2" at your post, Copy Link Address, then paste.

https://www.debatepolitics.com/feed...nistrators-post1068925731.html#post1068925731

Or "https://www.debatepolitics.com/feedback-suggestions/328397-question-moderators-and-system-administrators-post1068925731.html#post1068925731"
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Test, just did that on windows 10, lets see.

https://www.debatepolitics.com/feed...nistrators-post1068925854.html#post1068925854
 
JasperL said:
BTW, I learned a little trick, for me at least. If you have the link copied, you highlight the text in the post, click on the globe, then immediately "command V/CTRL V" and "return" - so no need to click inside the box that comes up when you hit the globe, and no need to use the cursor and mouse or track pad to hit "OK" next to the box.

I'm old so the youngsters are probably going - no duh grandpa! - but I'd been dutifully clicking inside the box for years, pasting the link, then using the cursor to then hit "OK" until just a few months ago. :roll:
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LOL. Yeah, been working computers for some 30 years, and old habits are sometimes hard to break!
(especially when there's a buffer at your wrist between your brain and your fingers which 'does stuff' you don't know about) :lamo
 
I hardly ever use the built-in editor here. I usually format everything via keyboard/mouse and BBCode.

Just what I'm used to doing.
 
Xelor said:
When you click on any of the hyperlinks in this thread's OP, does it take you to post 78 in the titled "White House counsel has spent 30 hours sharing detailed accounts with Mueller: report?"


What you've described (in both your posts) is
  1. How to obtain the web address of a given post, and
  2. How you present that web address in a post.
I'll refer to the second of those two things as pasting an "explicit link." I nearly never do that; I "hyperlink" text just as one finds on many a webpage. To "hyperlink" text, I use the "globe with a link" tool the forum provides and paste the link there. That tool looks roughly like this:

hyperlink-10864164.jpg

Each of the emboldened and underlined passages of text in this thread's OP is hyperlinked text.
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It did not work for me. For that link to work, hit reply, then copy link.Try that as I am sure it would solve the problem.
 
JANFU said:
It did not work for me. For that link to work, hit reply, then copy link.Try that as I am sure it would solve the problem.
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I have no idea of what "it" you're talking about.
 
Not affiliated with the forum in any way, just a bored web developer :cool: ;

Xelor said:
I don't see anything that explicitly references a page number, so Fletch's remark doesn't reconcile with my understanding of the web address I see for post 78.
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Your link does specify a page number. It’s the “-3” after the words “…-mueller-report”. That form of URL doesn’t work when people have different settings for number of posts per page, even when the specific post ID is specified too (the #post1068923303). That looks like a simple bug in the underlying software the forum uses.

If you right-click on the post number at the top right of the post you want to link and select “Copy Link” (or similar, depending on which browser you're using), that gives the slightly different formatted URL just specifying the post number, not the page. You should be able to paste the copied link directly in to other posts and anyone would get to the correct target. When they click on that link, it automatically redirects to the version with the page number though (based on their own page settings).

Alternatively, you could switch back to 10 posts-per-page default that I suspect pretty much everyone else uses but I appreciate you might prefer more posts-per-page. :)
 
HonestJoe said:
Not affiliated with the forum in any way, just a bored web developer :cool: ;

Your link does specify a page number. It’s the “-3” after the words “…-mueller-report”. That form of URL doesn’t work when people have different settings for number of posts per page, even when the specific post ID is specified too (the #post1068923303). That looks like a simple bug in the underlying software the forum uses.

If you right-click on the post number at the top right of the post you want to link and select “Copy Link” (or similar, depending on which browser you're using), that gives the slightly different formatted URL just specifying the post number, not the page. You should be able to paste the copied link directly in to other posts and anyone would get to the correct target. When they click on that link, it automatically redirects to the version with the page number though (based on their own page settings).

Alternatively, you could switch back to 10 posts-per-page default that I suspect pretty much everyone else uses but I appreciate you might prefer more posts-per-page. :)
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Red:
Thank you. That explains what's going on, and I understand. Again, thank you.

To be sure, that is not the only bug I've encountered in this site's vBulletin implementation; however, it is the first one for which someone has provided a clear explanation of what's going on.

I have a couple friends who participate in other forums that use vBulletin. Out of curiosity, I'm going to ask them whether they've encountered the same bug. Perhaps they have; but I'll be surprised to learn they have. From previous chats with them about web forums, I was moved to check the version on DP's version of vBulletin. As indicated at the bottom of this page, DP uses vBulletin 4.2.3; however, the most recent stable version of vBulletin is 5.4.1.

I have no idea though whether the software version has anything to do with the problem. It could as easily be a matter of unapplied patches. I just don't know.

The other web forum software with which I'm familiar is Xenforo, which, in my limited experience, is vastly superior.
 
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