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William Rea

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Can we add 'Anarchist' to the leans? I feel that 'Left-Libertarian' does not represent this lean.
 
William Rea said:
Can we add 'Anarchist' to the leans? I feel that 'Left-Libertarian' does not represent this lean.
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Side note: you could change your user title (under name) to 'Antifa Warrior' or something like that.
 
All political anarchists are left-libertarians. But all left-libertarians are not political anarchists. I feel like this requests has been made before but never went anywhere. I do think it merits its lean label, though.
 
Skeptic Bob said:
All political anarchists are left-libertarians. But all left-libertarians are not political anarchists. I feel like this requests has been made before but never went anywhere. I do think it merits its lean label, though.
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Here in the states, we don't know what left-libertarian is. Wouldn't that just be a liberal? Left wing both social and economic issues?
 
ecofarm said:
Here in the states, we don't know what left-libertarian is. Wouldn't that just be a liberal? Left wing both social and economic issues?
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Maybe they have conservative tendencies?
 
ecofarm said:
Here in the states, we don't know what left-libertarian is. Wouldn't that just be a liberal? Left wing both social and economic issues?
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The ends of left-libertarians and liberals are largely in-line with regards to social issues and economics but the means are quite different. Left-libertarians, in general, believe any governmental authority should be as localized as possible. We are the true "states' rights" group, though we actually think the hub of power should be even more localized, like down to the city level.

While left-libertarians tend not to view taxation as an attack on the individual, we do favor individual liberty more than liberals. Left-libertarians tend to believe in a person's right to arm themselves and a business owner's right to run their business as they see fit,as examples.

Again, left-libertarianism encompasses many things, but I think most would agree with what I have said. The most important feature being that the hub of power is local.
 
Skeptic Bob said:
The ends of left-libertarians and liberals are largely in-line with regards to social issues and economics but the means are quite different. Left-libertarians, in general, believe any governmental authority should be as localized as possible. We are the true "states' rights" group, though we actually think the hub of power should be even more localized, like down to the city level.

While left-libertarians tend not to view taxation as an attack on the individual, we do favor individual liberty more than liberals. Left-libertarians tend to believe in a person's right to arm themselves and a business owner's right to run their business as they see fit,as examples.

Again, left-libertarianism encompasses many things, but I think most would agree with what I have said. The most important feature being that the hub of power is local.
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I agree, but there are so many branches of anarchism that don't fit well into the left-libertarian lean. You're sorta describing anarcha-capitalists and syndicalists, which is, if anything, are almost an outlier in the anarchist world.

Like ancoms. Where do they go? Or tech-based anarchists? Or the various liberationist strands of anarchism? Or the prison abolitionists?

There's lot of them that either have communist leanings, or, on the opposite side, a totally horizontal rule ideal that would be too decentralized even for a libertarian pool.

Some branches of anarchism do sort of share a space with libertarianism, but there are some branches of anarchism that share a space with literally everything, from communism to tribalism.

So, I do think it warrants its own lean.
 
SmokeAndMirrors said:
I agree, but there are so many branches of anarchism that don't fit well into the left-libertarian lean. You're sorta describing anarcha-capitalists and syndicalists, which is, if anything, are almost an outlier in the anarchist world.

Like ancoms. Where do they go? Or tech-based anarchists? Or the various liberationist strands of anarchism? Or the prison abolitionists?

There's lot of them that either have communist leanings, or, on the opposite side, a totally horizontal rule ideal that would be too decentralized even for a libertarian pool.

Some branches of anarchism do sort of share a space with libertarianism, but there are some branches of anarchism that share a space with literally everything, from communism to tribalism.

So, I do think it warrants its own lean.
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Yeah, there are a lot. But I would say Anarcho-capitalists would fall under Right-Libertarians, though not all Right-Libertarians are anarcho-capitalists. They share our views on individual liberty but they view taxation as an attack on the individual, and hence oppose many of the social programs many Left-Libertarians favor, even if administered locally. Granted, most every other flavor of anarchist do not view anarcho-capitalists as anarchists.
 
Skeptic Bob said:
Yeah, there are a lot. But I would say Anarcho-capitalists would fall under Right-Libertarians, though not all Right-Libertarians are anarcho-capitalists. They share our views on individual liberty but they view taxation as an attack on the individual, and hence oppose many of the social programs many Left-Libertarians favor, even if administered locally. Granted, most every other flavor of anarchist do not view anarcho-capitalists as anarchists.
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Yeah, I can sorta see how it could fit into that. But in the fact that it's so hard to define both within the libertarian world, and the right/left world, I think that's proof that the foundational aspects of anarchism are fundamentally different from both libertarianism, and traditional American right/left, and deserve a lean of their own.
 
Skeptic Bob said:
All political anarchists are left-libertarians. But all left-libertarians are not political anarchists. I feel like this requests has been made before but never went anywhere. I do think it merits its lean label, though.
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You might have unpack the bolded part a bit.

On a wild tangent, for some reason I'm reminded of reading the back of the box for a bad Christopher Lambert movie version of Beowulf, which was futuristic. It described the world as a "techno-futile" society. I got a hearty chuckle out of it.
 
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