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EU worst Brexit fears come true as Brussels warned 'lasting scars' to spark more rebellion

Jean-s said:
I recognized from your first post that you were a Brexiteer when you attempted to tar the rest of Europeans as being infected with the same poison as English euroscepticism. It is good you are happy unlike almost half the British voters. I predict Brexit in no time will be seen by the majority of the English as the dopiest decision by their government in modern times.
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As an Australian, I would benefit personally from a no deal Brexit.

Obviously, you fear such a Brexit because the EU will be even worse off if there is no deal.

I predict that the "English" will sit back and smile knowingly as they see the EU continue to interfere in the local government of its member states.

Will the UK be worse off economically in the short term. Probably. So you will at least have something to gloat over. Enjoy.
 
Ginza said:
"Once put to the people anything could happen and it did."

Wow! You sound like Stalin, Mao or even Saddam Hussein. They would have loved you.

"Not trusting the European Commission (46%) is altogether a different question from wanting to leave."

Er, obviously so. But they are totally unanimous in one thing......their lack of trust in the government of the EU. Surely, even someone as bitter as yourself can't deny that?

"We don't have illegal immigrants in the EU. We do have asylum seekers"

Did you really say something so daft? The EU has millions of people who have entered the EU illegally to seek asylum.

"A new Pew Research Center analysis based on European data sources estimates that at least 3.9 million unauthorized immigrants – and possibly as many as 4.8 million – lived in Europe in 2017. The total is up from 2014, when 3.0 million to 3.7 million unauthorised migrants lived in Europe"

Hmmmm! Seems that Pew are not as "generous" as you are with their words. They are calling these people exactly what they are.
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Enough with the Pew Research outfit. I already demolished their methodology in one of your previous posts. It is American, from a country, like Australia, which has a disgraceful policy toward migrants and asylum seekers. The xenophobic inherent in their governments have generated a way of labeling people as guilty before their cases have been heard. I will not lower my standard by adopting a vocabulary from a country that locks children in cages having separated them from their parents or one that imprisons asylum seekers on foreign Pacific atolls similar to the way the Americans imprison kidnapped people on Cuba so as to avoid legal responsibilities toward individuals who deserve legal protections.
 
Ginza said:
As an Australian, I would benefit personally from a no deal Brexit.

Obviously, you fear such a Brexit because the EU will be even worse off if there is no deal.

I predict that the "English" will sit back and smile knowingly as they see the EU continue to interfere in the local government of its member states.

Will the UK be worse off economically in the short term. Probably. So you will at least have something to gloat over. Enjoy.
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You fail to appreciate that I have concern for my fellow European Union citizens who have been forced out of the EU, losing their EU passports with all the rights and privileges of access to the cultural and economic values and opportunities that had become their birthright. Unfortunately, they find themselves living under the yolk of Westminster. So much for a so-called United Kingdom where two of the four nations voted to remain but were overruled by a knife edge majority (52/48%). Our people living in Scotland, Northern Ireland as well as England and Wales were robbed of a future full of European fellowship, especially the youth. And for what?; to maintain the unity of the English Tory Party in the face of a threat by Little Englander Nigel Farage and Tory eurosceptics.
 
Ginza said:
Lol! I love your use of the word "de facto". It's so misleading. Many nations borrow money. The UK is no different.

In an article by US News, the UK was rated 6th in terms of "Best countries" to live.

The Guardian reported that the UK is the third most respected country : USA tops list of the world's most diplomatically influential countries, with Britain third | Daily Mail Online
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Err its a Daily Mail article, not Guardian... and the Daily Nazi Mail is hardly a reliable source.

Regardless, there is no doubt that the UK has a lot of "soft power" even now due to its historical empire AND its membership of the EU. Now that the EU part is gone, the influence will decrease. Your empire is gone, your military is gone and now your biggest economic hammer is gone. Your former colonies in the commonwealth hate you and see a weak country they WILL try to exploit... something they had not dared before. It is shocking how bad the UK reputation is, when you see that Belgium trades more with India than the UK. And dont even try to blame the EU for that one..

Exceptional achievement for a small island with few natural resources.
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That exceptional achievement was achieved centuries ago and was based on war and mass death. This debate is about recent history.. like after WW1 at a minimum, but more like after WW2. In this period there was a massive decline in UK influence and by 1973 the UK was defacto bankrupt. Only access to free trade and later on Thatcher saved the UK economy from become the European Argentina. The direct result was an almost total loss of most industries and what we see today. Now you are losing the free trade aspect, and that will cause massive problems because as you state... you have few natural resources.
 
Ginza said:
Lol! Do you need spoon feeding?

I thought this was an adult forum.
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Clearly not, judging by your juvenile retorts of above and below

Ask Mom to link you
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Ginza said:
Ask Mom to explain to you
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as for the rest of your ramblings, you gonna bring up the pre-war empire next as proof of how well the UK was doing before it joined the EEC? Like after the Armada and all the way to (but not beyond) having held India?:roll:

You've clearly demonstrated that you know absolutely nothing about the AfD and that you also have no interest in explaining the context of the 72 billion that Beck was on about (or the 80 billion, depending on what time of day it is with him).

Where I can fully support the right of those in the UK wanting to leave and consequently the right to having voted in that manner, what I will not waste my time on is those as dis-ingenuous as you, who, in their equally dis-ingenuous blather, serve towards making anyone who voted to leave look like an absolute fool.

In that context it appears worth pointing out that you are in no way representative and with that you are dismissed.
 
Ginza said:
As an Australian, I would benefit personally from a no deal Brexit.

Obviously, you fear such a Brexit because the EU will be even worse off if there is no deal.

I predict that the "English" will sit back and smile knowingly as they see the EU continue to interfere in the local government of its member states.

Will the UK be worse off economically in the short term. Probably. So you will at least have something to gloat over. Enjoy.
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told you before the UK is finished ... Scottish courts watch this space our courts are separate from English courts
 
Godric1970 said:
told you before the UK is finished ... Scottish courts watch this space our courts are separate from English courts
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Er, what do you think the significance is of Scottish courts being seperate to English courts? They always have been

The Scots have already voted in a referendum not to leave the UK.

The Scottish National Party did not receive a majority of votes in the last election.

I would be delighted if the Scots left the UK . It would greatly strengthen the position of the Tory party in the British parliament, not having to deal with the Scottish MP's who are overwhelmingly anti Tory. And nothing would change for the people in the rest of the UK. They would still be able to visit, live and work in Scotland

Currently Scotland exports FOUR times as much to the rest of the UK than it does to the 27 nations in the EU, so the "little Scotlanders" would have to keep this in mind.
 
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Jean-s said:
Enough with the Pew Research outfit. I already demolished their methodology in one of your previous posts. It is American, from a country, like Australia, which has a disgraceful policy toward migrants and asylum seekers. The xenophobic inherent in their governments have generated a way of labeling people as guilty before their cases have been heard. I will not lower my standard by adopting a vocabulary from a country that locks children in cages having separated them from their parents or one that imprisons asylum seekers on foreign Pacific atolls similar to the way the Americans imprison kidnapped people on Cuba so as to avoid legal responsibilities toward individuals who deserve legal protections.
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OK. So now we have a bitter rant against Australia.

Have you not the intelligence to recognise the irony and hypocrisy inherent in a citizen of the EU pointing fingers at Australia, when the most powerful country within the EU has probably the worst record of Xenophobia and mass murder since the beginning of time? Obviously not. Australian citizens helped free Europe from the oppression of fascists and Xenophobes from Europe who murdered millions of people solely because of their race and religion.

In more recent times, in the Balkans, people who are now EU citizens attempted to commit genocidal and Xenophobic crimes against other people who are now EU citizens. You are probably ignorant of the fact that Australians were also involved in stopping these Xenophobes, by serving with the UN.

Ever heard the saying about people in glass houses and throwing stones? Or maybe the saying about the pot calling the kettle black?

Australia and New Zealand are both in the top five in the respected Human Freedom Index. This is higher than ANY country within the EU.

Human Freedom Index | Cato Institute

You really need to stop being so bitter and angry when people disagree with you. It's really childish.
 
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Jean-s said:
You fail to appreciate that I have concern for my fellow European Union citizens who have been forced out of the EU, losing their EU passports with all the rights and privileges of access to the cultural and economic values and opportunities that had become their birthright. Unfortunately, they find themselves living under the yolk of Westminster. So much for a so-called United Kingdom where two of the four nations voted to remain but were overruled by a knife edge majority (52/48%). Our people living in Scotland, Northern Ireland as well as England and Wales were robbed of a future full of European fellowship, especially the youth. And for what?; to maintain the unity of the English Tory Party in the face of a threat by Little Englander Nigel Farage and Tory eurosceptics.
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You still don't seem capable of understanding that it was the people of the UK that voted in a majority to leave the EU. The Tory government did not make that decision. The government merely honoured the decision of ALL UK voters.

You can cry and moan all you like, but Brexit will not change. The British people no longer want to be part of your EU club. Why not respect that decision with grace instead of anger? Yes, you may be a little worse off economically, as may be the UK, but the EU will most probably survive as most EU citizens feel safer being in a pact. And considering Europe's history, I can understand why.
 
Godric1970 said:
see here ... yet again you keep mentioning the "B" word most people in Englonde know the union will be no more soon ... London does not speak for Scotland
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We can but hope that the Scots will do the decent thing and go away. But, just like last time, when even the dimmest came to understand that independence can only come with a huge financial cost, their enthusiasm will wane. What a pity.
 
PeteEU said:
Err its a Daily Mail article, not Guardian... and the Daily Nazi Mail is hardly a reliable source.

Regardless, there is no doubt that the UK has a lot of "soft power" even now due to its historical empire AND its membership of the EU. Now that the EU part is gone, the influence will decrease. Your empire is gone, your military is gone and now your biggest economic hammer is gone. Your former colonies in the commonwealth hate you and see a weak country they WILL try to exploit... something they had not dared before. It is shocking how bad the UK reputation is, when you see that Belgium trades more with India than the UK. And dont even try to blame the EU for that one..

That exceptional achievement was achieved centuries ago and was based on war and mass death. This debate is about recent history.. like after WW1 at a minimum, but more like after WW2. In this period there was a massive decline in UK influence and by 1973 the UK was defacto bankrupt. Only access to free trade and later on Thatcher saved the UK economy from become the European Argentina. The direct result was an almost total loss of most industries and what we see today. Now you are losing the free trade aspect, and that will cause massive problems because as you state... you have few natural resources.
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"Daily Nazi Mail is hardly a reliable source"

You also don't seem capable of comprehending the irony and hypocrisy of your own post. So now the Daily Mail is Nazi? What a ludicrous and juvenile thing to say. The EU is where the Nazis were born and where they prospered until the Allies (including the UK) put paid to their fascist, genocidal and Xenophobic murdering of tens of millions of people. For the home of the Nazis to level accusations against the same people who helped defeat the Nazis, is laughable. Probably just the result of someone wanting to be insulting.

I agree that the UK ran into a poor time economically when it decided to let its colonies become independent and when Socialism and militant Unionism affected the economy. Can you name a single country in history that has not had its ups and downs? Unlike some nations in the EU, who have invaded others, committed genocide etc, the UK has an exceptional record. It's not all about personal wealth an economics. It's also about having pride in yourself, your community and your country. There are many millions of people within the EU who cannot feel the same pride (with any justification) after taking into account the recent history of the place.

As for losing the "free trade aspect". You obviously haven't heard that the EU and UK are currently negotiating a free trade deal. The US has expressed a desire for a free trade deal with the UK, as has my own country, Australia. Countless other nations have expressed the same desire.

Germany exports 900 000 cars a year to the UK. Their motor industry is already struggling. Do you really think they want to lose that business? The EU exports far more to the UK than vice versa. It has far more to lose. If there is a No Deal, I will be delighted as my country will benefit, as will many other nations like the US, Canada, New Zealand, South Africa, India etc which have historical, cultural, ancestral and language links to the UK, that no EU country has.

I totally agree that the UK will have difficulty economically whilst extracting itself from the EU and building up new trade relations with other nations, but the long term effects will be great. Just having the independence to have decisions that affect British people made by British people will be worth billions of pounds a year. The freedom to control its own borders and prevent excessive immigration will also greatly benefit the nation. In fact, both legal and illegal immigration is already down.

My own children will benefit as it has already been announced that it will be made easier for people from Australia to work in the UK. Those that come in from English speaking nations will fit in far easier to British society and the British workplace than EU people.

It's a win win for all except EU citizens. That's a pity, but there are 27 or so nations within the EU. They can get by without the UK. Just as they did before 1973....except for the odd war or two. Lol!
 
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Ginza said:
You still don't seem capable of understanding that it was the people of the UK that voted in a majority to leave the EU. The Tory government did not make that decision. The government merely honoured the decision of ALL UK voters.

You can cry and moan all you like, but Brexit will not change. The British people no longer want to be part of your EU club. Why not respect that decision with grace instead of anger? Yes, you may be a little worse off economically, as may be the UK, but the EU will most probably survive as most EU citizens feel safer being in a pact. And considering Europe's history, I can understand why.
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Good post. Though it is Nato (which Germany now want's to abolish) which has kept the peace in Europe, not the EU.

True, the UK may be a little worse off because of Brexit. But it may, on the other hand, be vastly better off. Only one thing is certain: Britain will once again be a free independent self-governing democratic country.
 
Sweden said:
Good post. Though it is Nato (which Germany now want's to abolish) which has kept the peace in Europe, not the EU.

True, the UK may be a little worse off because of Brexit. But it may, on the other hand, be vastly better off. Only one thing is certain: Britain will once again be a free independent self-governing democratic country.
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You are correct about NATO keeping Europe peaceful....not the EU.

One can only wonder why Germany and other EU states are in favour of the EU having its own army when NATO already exists.
 
Ginza said:
You are correct about NATO keeping Europe peaceful....not the EU.

One can only wonder why Germany and other EU states are in favour of the EU having its own army when NATO already exists.
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The answer is obvious - to me anyway - the hated Anglo Saxons, the US and Britain, are members of Nato.

Less certain is my idea that Germany is working, slowly and cautiously, towards an alliance with Russia to be achieve sometime over the next fifteen or twenty years, by which time Germany's control over the EU will be complete.
 
Ginza said:
"Daily Nazi Mail is hardly a reliable source"

You also don't seem capable of comprehending the irony and hypocrisy of your own post. So now the Daily Mail is Nazi? What a ludicrous and juvenile thing to say.
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The Daily Mail supported Hitler and fascist in the UK before the war.. hence they are and always will be linked to the Nazis. That the Daily Mail was not closed after the war shows how little justice there was in the UK against its own Nazi and fascist movements. News of the World was punished harder for spying on a dead girl, than a newspaper that openly supported mass murderers....

The EU is where the Nazis were born and where they prospered until the Allies (including the UK) put paid to their fascist, genocidal and Xenophobic murdering of tens of millions of people. For the home of the Nazis to level accusations against the same people who helped defeat the Nazis, is laughable. Probably just the result of someone wanting to be insulting.
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Only partial correct. The idea of modern eugenics, a fundamental part of Nazi ideology based on racial purity, was in fact "founded" in the UK and taken up seriously in the US, Sweden and Germany. So what is laughable is you attempt to paint mainland Europe as the sole culprit of the Nazi horrors... Churchill was among many things, a racist anti-Semite.. and let millions starve to death in India during the war... but hey they were only brown people.

I agree that the UK ran into a poor time economically when it decided to let its colonies become independent and when Socialism and militant Unionism affected the economy.
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It did not decide anything.. it was forced. Primarily by the US. Same goes for France. Also the colonies were getting too expensive to maintain and were a burden on the UK economy by the end of WW1

Can you name a single country in history that has not had its ups and downs?
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Of course no.

Unlike some nations in the EU, who have invaded others, committed genocide etc, the UK has an exceptional record.
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Oh boy.... The UK is in the nr. 1 spot of invading countries. It invented the concentration camp and committed many war crimes and crimes against humanity over its history and that includes some as late as the 1960s and 1970s.

It's not all about personal wealth an economics. It's also about having pride in yourself, your community and your country. There are many millions of people within the EU who cannot feel the same pride (with any justification) after taking into account the recent history of the place.
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Oh here the UK are near the top.. proud of their history and some still believe the UK matters...

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As for losing the "free trade aspect". You obviously haven't heard that the EU and UK are currently negotiating a free trade deal. The US has expressed a desire for a free trade deal with the UK, as has my own country, Australia. Countless other nations have expressed the same desire.
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You have not been following the news. The EU-UK talks are all but dead, the US has been pushing for unacceptable conditions on its trade deal,.. so bad that Boris cant even swallow it. When Trump leaves at the end of the year, the negotiations restart. As for your own country..Australia has the desire, but has clearly stated that the UKs status with the EU has to be resolved first. That is the standard statement from most countries as these countries do not want to jeopardise their trading with the EU.

Germany exports 900 000 cars a year to the UK. Their motor industry is already struggling. Do you really think they want to lose that business? The EU exports far more to the UK than vice versa. It has far more to lose. If there is a No Deal, I will be delighted as my country will benefit, as will many other nations like the US, Canada, New Zealand, South Africa, India etc which have historical, cultural, ancestral and language links to the UK, that no EU country has.
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LOL talk about delusional. This argument has been made so many times by the Brexit crowd and it is still not true. Yes the UK car market is an important market.. however you Brexit people dont understand international trade. Unless you want to leave the WTO, then the rules are simple. Any tariffs you place on one nation, you have to place on all nations... UNLESS you have WTO schedules done.. but guess what, the rest of the planet has to agree to those, so at the moment, they aint done. So that means, you want to put tariffs on German cars.. then it goes on French, American, Japanese and others cars as well. End result, cars become more expensive in the UK.. congrats! And as a bonus you lose one of your biggest manufacturing industries because the cars that are made in the UK, are exported to the EU (80+%) and no reason for those companies to stay in the UK with a tariff war going on.

I totally agree that the UK will have difficulty economically whilst extracting itself from the EU and building up new trade relations with other nations, but the long term effects will be great. Just having the independence to have decisions that affect British people made by British people will be worth billions of pounds a year.
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You already had that. Now you have to bow to the big boys on the block... the US, China, Russia, EU, India and so on. Before you were protected by the EU.. The US wants the UK to privatise the NHS and accept chlorinated chicken and most likely also lower their standards on pretty much everything...

The freedom to control its own borders and prevent excessive immigration will also greatly benefit the nation. In fact, both legal and illegal immigration is already down.
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Nope.. both are up. Well EU immigration is way down, but non EU immigration is wayyyyy up.

My own children will benefit as it has already been announced that it will be made easier for people from Australia to work in the UK.
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Good for you.. but the UK leaving the EU has nothing to do with this. UK immigration rules between Australia and the UK are and has always been a matter of the UK vs Australia. The EU was never involved. Also it is Australia that wants it, not so much the UK. Most commonwealth nations want it as a the main point of any trade negotiations and the UK has so far said no.

Those that come in from English speaking nations will fit in far easier to British society and the British workplace than EU people.
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Ahh good old British colonial racism. And NOTHING prevented the good "English speaking" people from going to the UK other than UK laws and rules that she could change anytime she wanted.
 
Jean-s said:
Your sensitivity at being identified as English suggests to me that you are a typical English Eurosceptic. I notice that you use an English spelling for the American Pew Research Center. Now, how do you suppose that happened, I wonder. Maybe you live in Wales. Ha! Ha!
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I would think it an honour to be thought a typical English Eurosceptic. That is: a freedom loving democrat who desires nothing more or less than the independence of his country.

Sticking "Ha! Ha!" on the end of your post will not serve to convince anyone that you possess even a trace of a sense of humour.
 
Ginza said:
OK. So now we have a bitter rant against Australia.

Have you not the intelligence to recognise the irony and hypocrisy inherent in a citizen of the EU pointing fingers at Australia, when the most powerful country within the EU has probably the worst record of Xenophobia and mass murder since the beginning of time? Obviously not. Australian citizens helped free Europe from the oppression of fascists and Xenophobes from Europe who murdered millions of people solely because of their race and religion.

In more recent times, in the Balkans, people who are now EU citizens attempted to commit genocidal and Xenophobic crimes against other people who are now EU citizens. You are probably ignorant of the fact that Australians were also involved in stopping these Xenophobes, by serving with the UN.

Ever heard the saying about people in glass houses and throwing stones? Or maybe the saying about the pot calling the kettle black?

Australia and New Zealand are both in the top five in the respected Human Freedom Index. This is higher than ANY country within the EU.

Human Freedom Index | Cato Institute

You really need to stop being so bitter and angry when people disagree with you. It's really childish.
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Quit with the American right-wing bias in your choice of resources such as the Cato Institute. Please have the decency not to include a progressive humanistic country like New Zealand in the same category as racist Australia. Australians ought to hang their heads in shame for the way their government policy of transferring asylum seekers Papua New Guinea and Nauru. "... Australia has gone from being a country that once welcomed newcomers to a world leader in treating refugees with brazen cruelty." (Human Rights Watch)
Seven Years of Suffering for Australia’s Asylum Seekers, Refugees | Human Rights Watch
 
Ginza said:
You still don't seem capable of understanding that it was the people of the UK that voted in a majority to leave the EU. The Tory government did not make that decision. The government merely honoured the decision of ALL UK voters.

You can cry and moan all you like, but Brexit will not change. The British people no longer want to be part of your EU club. Why not respect that decision with grace instead of anger? Yes, you may be a little worse off economically, as may be the UK, but the EU will most probably survive as most EU citizens feel safer being in a pact. And considering Europe's history, I can understand why.
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48% (including the Scottish and Irish) wanted to remain - about half. But math is not your strong suit, is it?
 
Brexit backers Tate & Lyle set to gain £73m
A company that backed Brexit and has donated to the Conservatives is in line to save £73m as the only direct beneficiary of a post-Brexit trade reform. Under plans that will come into force at the end of the year, the government has confirmed that companies will be able to import 260,000 tonnes of raw sugar cane from anywhere in the world, tariff-free. The only company that currently imports raw sugar cane, however, is Tate & Lyle Sugars – one of the only large employers that publicly backed Brexit. Its name also adorned the lanyards worn by attendees of the 2017 Tory conference. The sponsorship is recorded as an £8,000 donation by the Electoral Commission.
Brexit backers Tate & Lyle set to gain PS73m from end of EU trade tariffs | Business | The Guardian

Make no mistake about it, eurosceptic capitalist Tories had their reasons to see the end of some European Community regulations such as the protection of English farmers who produce beets for the manufacture of sugar. Tate & Lyle makes sugar from cheaper imported raw cane. Rejecting the livelihoods of English farmers in preference for corporate profits was at the heart of Brexit.
 
Jean-s said:
48% (including the Scottish and Irish) wanted to remain - about half. But math is not your strong suit, is it?
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Maths is indeed my strong point.

I know that 48% is a minority.

You obviously haven't worked this out yet.
 
Jean-s said:


Make no mistake about it, eurosceptic capitalist Tories had their reasons to see the end of some European Community regulations such as the protection of English farmers who produce beets for the manufacture of sugar. Tate & Lyle makes sugar from cheaper imported raw cane. Rejecting the livelihoods of English farmers in preference for corporate profits was at the heart of Brexit.
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Make no mistake about it, your unsubstantiated opinion is nonsense as the vast majority of British businessmen wanted to remain part of the EU :

Unlike yourself, I have valid reasons to post what I do :

"A recent YouGov poll found that senior executives at big businesses prefer to remain in the EU by an overwhelming majority of 93% to 7%."

Surely even your poor mathematical ability can work out that 93% is a massive majority?

Brexit: forget the FTSE 100 – what do small businesses think?
 
Ginza said:
Maths is indeed my strong point.

I know that 48% is a minority.

You obviously haven't worked this out yet.
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Only England had a majority is a narrowly decided advisory f-referendum blighted by fraud, dark financing, and Russian interference in a chilling foretaste of Trump's installation. Scotland Wales and Northern Ireland voted overwhelmingly to remain. The Disunited Kingdom is falling apart.
 
PeteEU said:
You have not been following the news. The EU-UK talks are all but dead, the US has been pushing for unacceptable conditions on its trade deal,.. so bad that Boris cant even swallow it. When Trump leaves at the end of the year, the negotiations restart. As for your own country..Australia has the desire, but has clearly stated that the UKs status with the EU has to be resolved first. That is the standard statement from most countries as these countries do not want to jeopardise their trading with the EU.



LOL talk about delusional. This argument has been made so many times by the Brexit crowd and it is still not true. Yes the UK car market is an important market.. however you Brexit people dont understand international trade. Unless you want to leave the WTO, then the rules are simple. Any tariffs you place on one nation, you have to place on all nations... UNLESS you have WTO schedules done.. but guess what, the rest of the planet has to agree to those, so at the moment, they aint done. So that means, you want to put tariffs on German cars.. then it goes on French, American, Japanese and others cars as well. End result, cars become more expensive in the UK.. congrats! And as a bonus you lose one of your biggest manufacturing industries because the cars that are made in the UK, are exported to the EU (80+%) and no reason for those companies to stay in the UK with a tariff war going on.



You already had that. Now you have to bow to the big boys on the block... the US, China, Russia, EU, India and so on. Before you were protected by the EU.. The US wants the UK to privatise the NHS and accept chlorinated chicken and most likely also lower their standards on pretty much everything...



Nope.. both are up. Well EU immigration is way down, but non EU immigration is wayyyyy up.



Good for you.. but the UK leaving the EU has nothing to do with this. UK immigration rules between Australia and the UK are and has always been a matter of the UK vs Australia. The EU was never involved. Also it is Australia that wants it, not so much the UK. Most commonwealth nations want it as a the main point of any trade negotiations and the UK has so far said no.



Ahh good old British colonial racism. And NOTHING prevented the good "English speaking" people from going to the UK other than UK laws and rules that she could change anytime she wanted.
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Your nonsense talk about "British colonial racism" is rather amusing coming from someone who is part of the EU, whose largest and most powerful member attempted to enslave the rest of Europe in recent times. I wonder if you really know what the term "hypocrite" means.

I guess that your obvious hatred for the "English" is blinding you to your own hypocrisy.

'EU immigration is way down, but non EU immigration is wayyyyy up'

Lol! This is really getting funny now. This is exactly why Brits wanted Brexit. Again, you don't seem capable of understanding Brexit. Brits want to be able to choose which immigrants come into their country. You obviously are ignorant of the fact that the EU is an area of free movement.

"The EU-UK talks are all but dead"

You obviously know little about negotiations. As much as I hope they are dead and a no deal results, I know that brinkmanship is taking place (Google the word). The EU has too much to lose by not doing a free trade deal with the UK. It has to weigh up the loss to Germany of losing massive amounts of motor vehicle sales which will cripple an industry already suffering against giving the UK a deal which is so good that other EU members will want to lose. The EU is in a difficult position and will weaken has it has done every few months since the UK voted to leave the EU.

"So that means, you want to put tariffs on German cars"

Again, absolutely no intelligent understanding whatsoever on your part. The UK does NOT want to put tariffs on German cars. But it will not put tariffs on cars from Asia which are currently subject to EU import tariffs. This will affect German car sales to some degree but a no deal may devastate the German car industry. German car makers have been predicting this disaster for years:

German carmakers warn hard Brexit would be 'fatal' - Reuters

"You already had that. Now you have to bow to the big boys on the block"

You don't seem capable of understanding that by taking on the EU, the UK has shown without doubt that the British do not bow to anyone, unlike the member states of the EU.
 
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Jean-s said:
Without question, English Eurosceptics have the most to answer for with Brexit, the topic of this thread. Although they attempted to spread their poison to the other 27 member states, they have met with failure. With regularity the English conservative 'newspapers' predict the collapse of the European Union (EU) and happily carry articles written by a Greek economist here or a Hungarian nationalist there which foresee the demise of the Union. The English prime minister made a living at one stage mocking the EU in his Daily Telegraph columns. These people are a known breed.
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That poster complains about being called a racist while calling everyone they disagree with a bigot hmmmmmm....
 
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