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Germany is first major economy to phase out coal and nuclear

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Germany is first major economy to phase out coal and nuclear

BERLIN (AP) — German lawmakers have finalized the country’s long-awaited phase-out of coal as an energy source, backing a plan that environmental groups say isn’t ambitious enough and free marketeers criticize as a waste of taxpayers’ money.

Bills approved by both houses of parliament Friday envision shutting down the last coal-fired power plant by 2038 and spending some 40 billion euros ($45 billion) to help affected regions cope with the transition.

The plan is part of Germany’s ‘energy transition’ - an effort to wean Europe’s biggest economy off planet-warming fossil fuels and generate all of the country’s considerable energy needs from renewable sources. Achieving that goal is made harder than in comparable countries such as France and Britain because of Germany’s existing commitment to also phase out nuclear power by the end of 2022.
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This is the way every one will have to go eventually if we want to continue living on this planet.
 
JacksinPA said:
Germany is first major economy to phase out coal and nuclear

BERLIN (AP) — German lawmakers have finalized the country’s long-awaited phase-out of coal as an energy source, backing a plan that environmental groups say isn’t ambitious enough and free marketeers criticize as a waste of taxpayers’ money.

Bills approved by both houses of parliament Friday envision shutting down the last coal-fired power plant by 2038 and spending some 40 billion euros ($45 billion) to help affected regions cope with the transition.

The plan is part of Germany’s ‘energy transition’ - an effort to wean Europe’s biggest economy off planet-warming fossil fuels and generate all of the country’s considerable energy needs from renewable sources. Achieving that goal is made harder than in comparable countries such as France and Britain because of Germany’s existing commitment to also phase out nuclear power by the end of 2022.
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This is the way every one will have to go eventually if we want to continue living on this planet.
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Meanwhile in American Trump will be back to promising coal jobs are coming back
 
LOL huge problems when it comes to energy storage for renewables, not to mention cost and dubious environmental value. We'll see just how long this little experiment of theirs lasts.
 
JacksinPA said:
Germany is first major economy to phase out coal and nuclear

BERLIN (AP) — German lawmakers have finalized the country’s long-awaited phase-out of coal as an energy source, backing a plan that environmental groups say isn’t ambitious enough and free marketeers criticize as a waste of taxpayers’ money.

Bills approved by both houses of parliament Friday envision shutting down the last coal-fired power plant by 2038 and spending some 40 billion euros ($45 billion) to help affected regions cope with the transition.

The plan is part of Germany’s ‘energy transition’ - an effort to wean Europe’s biggest economy off planet-warming fossil fuels and generate all of the country’s considerable energy needs from renewable sources. Achieving that goal is made harder than in comparable countries such as France and Britain because of Germany’s existing commitment to also phase out nuclear power by the end of 2022.
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You mean relying on Russian natural gas and oil instead of coal and home-built nuclear reactors? Sounds like a grand plan. :roll:

Call me when the Germans also close down Nord Stream and I shall be truly impressed.
 
Felis Leo said:
You mean relying on Russian natural gas and oil instead of coal and home-built nuclear reactors? Sounds like a grand plan. :roll:

Call me when the Germans also close down Nord Stream and I shall be truly impressed.
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Coal is extremly dirty and entire German landscapes got destroyed by coal mining. Our Energy politics are none of your concerns.
 
The problem in Germany is a pack of TV station mass media. These are fattened with 8,000 million euros in compulsory fees per year. So the money is taken from the citizens by force.

There in these TV stations sit only radical Greens. They have been fanatically opposing nuclear power and coal for decades. But also against cars and for mass immigration of poor asylum seekers.

The politicians (the reasonable politicians) are afraid of these mass media. That their propaganda is directed against them if they are adversaries. Result: The citizens have to pay for the green terror with the highest electricity prices in Europe.

(We probably owe this crap to the USA. Who installed such mass media scum in Germany after the war. To whom we have to pay compulsory fees for disgusting propaganda.)
 
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Novalis said:
The problem in Germany is a pack of TV station mass media. These are fattened with 8,000 million euros in compulsory fees per year. So the money is taken from the citizens by force.

There in these TV stations sit only radical Greens. They have been fanatically opposing nuclear power and coal for decades. But also against cars and for mass immigration of poor asylum seekers.

The politicians crawl into the back of the mass media, into their anus. Because they are afraid. And the citizens have to pay for the green terror with the highest electricity prices in Europe.
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They don't have the highest electricity prices in Europe.

Sent from my Honor 8X
 
Higgins86 said:
Meanwhile in American Trump will be back to promising coal jobs are coming back
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Coal jobs are coming back in Alaska. The Usibelli coal mine is the largest in Alaska and currently supplies six of Alaska's coal power plants. It currently produces ~2,500,000 tons of coal annually, much of which is sold to China. It has become so successful that we are opening the 8,000 acre Wishbone Hill coal mine near Sutton, AK.
 
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Rostocker said:
Coal is extremly dirty and entire German landscapes got destroyed by coal mining. Our Energy politics are none of your concerns.
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Coal can be made to burn cleanly, but it requires a government that is more interested in serving the interests of its people than serving its industry. Good luck finding one.
 
Rostocker said:
Coal is extremly dirty and entire German landscapes got destroyed by coal mining. Our Energy politics are none of your concerns.
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Nonsense, wonderful new landscapes are created by lignite mining. It's called renaturation. Lakes and hills and lots of forest are being planted. More beautiful than before! Good that some rotten cow villages (with inbreeding damaged inhabitants) have disappeared!
 
I'm waiting for Greta Thunberg to weigh in and tell me what to think.

Wait. What? Russian oil?!? I think that's bad.

I'm sure there was a newspaper article. Greta?!? Help me Obama Jesus!
 
Glitch said:
Coal can be made to burn cleanly, but it requires a government that is more interested in serving the interests of its people than serving its industry. Good luck finding one.
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Have you ever seen a german coal mining area?

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I think you have no clue what you talk about. It means total collapse of local habitats which can never be replaced.

Beside that its not the government but the people who demand a stop of this. In Germany the people storm coal mines and block them. The people are no longer willing to see their home being destroyed.

Beside that, coal is highly radioactive, enriched by radium and the ash actually is more radioactive than some nuclear waste. The river Spree more and more got poisoned through coal mining.
 
Novalis said:
Nonsense, wonderful new landscapes are created by lignite mining. It's called renaturation. Lakes and hills and lots of forest are being planted. More beautiful than before! Good that some rotten cow villages (with inbreeding damaged inhabitants) have disappeared!
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Renaturation is bull****. The lakes are unnatural and dead. They are like rift valley lakes with no natural shoreline. Poor in species and no adequate habitat. Same counts for teh "forests". What they make is tree plantage and nothing else. Thats not a forest. I agree though that NRW in general is no big loss. Its the worst state of Germany.
 
Rostocker said:
Renaturation is bull****. The lakes are unnatural and dead. They are like rift valley lakes with no natural shoreline. Poor in species and no adequate habitat. Same counts for teh "forests". What they make is tree plantage and nothing else. Thats not a forest. I agree though that NRW in general is no big loss. Its the worst state of Germany.
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So many gravel pits are usually beautiful nature reserves after a few decades out of operation. But it does take a little time.
A forest does not grow in 2 years.
 
JacksinPA said:
Germany is first major economy to phase out coal and nuclear

BERLIN (AP) — German lawmakers have finalized the country’s long-awaited phase-out of coal as an energy source, backing a plan that environmental groups say isn’t ambitious enough and free marketeers criticize as a waste of taxpayers’ money.

Bills approved by both houses of parliament Friday envision shutting down the last coal-fired power plant by 2038 and spending some 40 billion euros ($45 billion) to help affected regions cope with the transition.

The plan is part of Germany’s ‘energy transition’ - an effort to wean Europe’s biggest economy off planet-warming fossil fuels and generate all of the country’s considerable energy needs from renewable sources. Achieving that goal is made harder than in comparable countries such as France and Britain because of Germany’s existing commitment to also phase out nuclear power by the end of 2022.
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So, back in some random Trump thread a last year, I scolded the political hacks on both sides of whatever the crisis-of-the-day was to instead focus on issues that are actually important. My example at the time was of graphene and how it's about to revolutionize battery technology and change the world.

So here we are in 2020 with Germany starting to switch over to hydrogen power, a technology only economically viable thanks to how graphene is vastly improving battery technology.

The world is actually a pretty neat place once you set politics aside and focus on what's really going on.
 
Higgins86 said:
Meanwhile in American Trump will be back to promising coal jobs are coming back
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America will need a significantly different plan to switch over to hydrogen. Trump can promise, and deliver coal jobs to Americans because it'll be 20 years AT LEAST before we see enough hydrogen power to allow us to begin cutting back on coal. 20 years, and Trump will be long since retired by then.
 
Novalis said:
So many gravel pits are usually beautiful nature reserves after a few decades out of operation. But it does take a little time.
A forest does not grow in 2 years.
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How many black storks, fish otters ect do you see at former gravel pits? I tell you, zero. Its just like craters filled with water.
 
Rostocker said:
The link is fake. Some mines are still operating in the Lausitz region and we want them shut down.
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I don't know about 'fake' but a cursory Google search tells me that Germany does still have coal mines running, with a plan to shut them down over the next few years.

The challenge of shutting down a coal mine is how cheap coal energy is. The replacement technology has to at least come close to coal market prices or coal mines will eventually be reopened.

The challenge of shutting down a nuke is not only the lower price per kilowatt-hour, but also convincing investors to stop cashing in on the very heavy cost they risked to build the nuke in the first place.
 
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