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German special forces KSK to be dissolved

german hick said:
German Special Forces unit to be dissolved, source says, after reported far-right links | WorldMagazine NewsPaper Online

had a lot of discussions with friends here "we are digging our own grave"

for me, I rather have no special forces than a bunch of top trained extreme right idiots with guns...
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It depends whether "far-right" just means conservative. I think we are living in a time where anti terror special forces will be essential.

I wonder if the unit would be dis-banded if it was left-wing?
 
Big Eye said:
It depends whether "far-right" just means conservative. I think we are living in a time where anti terror special forces will be essential.

I wonder if the unit would be dis-banded if it was left-wing?
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Likely has something to do with this

Day X plot - Wikipedia

“The Day X plot refers to an alleged conspiracy by soldiers of the Kommando Spezialkräfte (Special Forces Command) of Germany's Bundeswehr in 2017. According to media reports, the objective of the operation was the assassination of Die Linke party leader Dietmar Bartsch and other left-leaning politicians. Information about the plot came to law enforcement attention in 2017 during the investigation of a different alleged plot by German military officers to assassinate the President of Germany. The planned killings were made public in November 2018.”

You can’t have a special forces unit running around planning to assassinate local politicians.
 
Big Eye said:
It depends whether "far-right" just means conservative. I think we are living in a time where anti terror special forces will be essential.

I wonder if the unit would be dis-banded if it was left-wing?
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I have no problem wirh conservatives and even far right people as long as they respect our "Verfassung" have a right to say what they think - this all ends when they (no matter if right or left) plan to use force to achieve their goals.
 
Big Eye said:
It depends whether "far-right" just means conservative. I think we are living in a time where anti terror special forces will be essential.

I wonder if the unit would be dis-banded if it was left-wing?
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Of course you are correct; the term conservative is commonly a euphemism for neo-Nazi.
 
Jean-s said:
Of course you are correct; the term conservative is commonly a euphemism for neo-Nazi.
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bull**** - there is enough polarisation in our societies - it´s not necessary to feed them. Most conservatives I know personally are very nice people - same with the left - only the far ends of both sides suck.
 
I agree with you both, that you can't allow insurrection, however sometimes I think these "far-right" plots come to the surface when there is a chance of a terror attack from other groups, it acts as a deflection. It wouldn't surprise me if German anti terror units are aware that something may be about to happen.

I saw that the Russian's are suggesting that jihadist groups may be deliberately spreading Covid 19...perhaps something like that will come to the surface?
 
You wonder (with regard to the OP) how much these hardcore alt-righties in the military have links with others in other foreign military units. In the UK military, there have been ongoing problems for quite a while especially with National Action members - one of whom was a Fin that had joined the Royal Anglians.

‘Outstanding’ soldier who wanted to recruit from within armed forces convicted of National Action membership | ITV News

german hick said:
bull**** - there is enough polarisation in our societies - it´s not necessary to feed them. Most conservatives I know personally are very nice people - same with the left - only the far ends of both sides suck.
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The problem with extremes is they don't recognise their extremism or they try and hide it under forum labels like "very Conservative" but at least you can have a decent discussion with the ones who are honest enough to admit they are communists / Marxists / anti-semites / racists / alt-right etc.

We even had a fascist Moderator here once - decent guy to chat to and you could cover a whole lot of ground with him in a range of subjects.
 
german hick said:
bull**** - there is enough polarisation in our societies - it´s not necessary to feed them. Most conservatives I know personally are very nice people - same with the left - only the far ends of both sides suck.
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Aww we were getting along so well since I joined DebatePolitics last December but I'm afraid you have crossed a line. You see, I have exchanged some spirited posts with Big Eye but always respectful and I was replying to him, not you. Well, when someone uses foul language at me ... that is not what I come here to read. I promise you will not hear from me again. Auf wiedersehn.
 
Infinite Chaos said:
You wonder (with regard to the OP) how much these hardcore alt-righties in the military have links with others in other foreign military units. In the UK military, there have been ongoing problems for quite a while especially with National Action members - one of whom was a Fin that had joined the Royal Anglians.

‘Outstanding’ soldier who wanted to recruit from within armed forces convicted of National Action membership | ITV News



The problem with extremes is they don't recognise their extremism or they try and hide it under forum labels like "very Conservative" but at least you can have a decent discussion with the ones who are honest enough to admit they are communists / Marxists / anti-semites / racists / alt-right etc.

We even had a fascist Moderator here once - decent guy to chat to and you could cover a whole lot of ground with him in a range of subjects.
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I think the biggest issue with extremes is the extreme left, organisations like BLM (I see some of their members are already talking about killing white people and supporting Palestine, ie, hating Jews), the far right is tiny in comparison , and the "far right" threat is being overblown by the msm in order to balance the public view of extremism.
 
Jean-s said:
Aww we were getting along so well since I joined DebatePolitics last December but I'm afraid you have crossed a line. You see, I have exchanged some spirited posts with Big Eye but always respectful and I was replying to him, not you. Well, when someone uses foul language at me ... that is not what I come here to read. I promise you will not hear from me again. Auf wiedersehn.
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Little bit thin skinned aren't you...don't ever get a job on a building site lol.:lamo
 
Jean-s said:
Of course you are correct; the term conservative is commonly a euphemism for neo-Nazi.
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I think Nazis are very similar to the far left actually. I pointed out yesterday that the only difference is that the far left believes in authoritarian internationalism rather than authoritarian nationalism. In other ways, eg, anti semitism and the tie up between authority and big business...the left are getting very close to fascism.
 
Jean-s said:
Aww we were getting along so well since I joined DebatePolitics last December but I'm afraid you have crossed a line. You see, I have exchanged some spirited posts with Big Eye but always respectful and I was replying to him, not you. Well, when someone uses foul language at me ... that is not what I come here to read. I promise you will not hear from me again. Auf wiedersehn.
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??? don´t get it... how did I insult you?
 
Big Eye said:
Little bit thin skinned aren't you...don't ever get a job on a building site lol.:lamo
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I would not give the time of day to anyone in real life who said to my face that I was talking bull**** and I will not be on speaking terms with a complete stranger on the internet who is so insulting, Big Eye. Consider that thin skinned if you like but I see it as a matter of self respect, if you know what I mean.

Big Eye said:
I think Nazis are very similar to the far left actually. I pointed out yesterday that the only difference is that the far left believes in authoritarian internationalism rather than authoritarian nationalism. In other ways, eg, anti semitism and the tie up between authority and big business...the left are getting very close to fascism.
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This is another topic and I do not want to contribute to derailing the OP topic. I hope you understand.
 
One need see that, at least in this moment, a disbanding of the whole KSK is not on the plate.

Of the four companies that are actually designed for combat, one is to be disbanded as a first step to restructure the whole brigade (of 1,100 heads, including medics, communication, technicians etc.).

The whole unit is however given a grace period til end of October this year to reform, lack of observable "improvement" then opening the option of disbanding it altogether.

Trouble with (not just) this particular group being that it was allowed to "develop" in a vacuum which largely removed it from critical appraisal (monitoring) and subsequent accountability, creating the unavoidable elitist self-delusion of being a law unto itself.

There is no evidence that the whole unit is possessed of far right and extremist persuasions but the environment described above will naturally attract anyone of such leanings. And clearly the unit itself has shown to be incapable of competently dealing with any of such elements.

It's an ailment that practically any body organized along authoritarian structures is prone to suffer, not just the military. But the military (any military) is more susceptible than others, no matter how democratically organized the state that it serves.
 
Jean-s said:
I would not give the time of day to anyone in real life who said to my face that I was talking bull**** and I will not be on speaking terms with a complete stranger on the internet who is so insulting, Big Eye. Consider that thin skinned if you like but I see it as a matter of self respect, if you know what I mean.

This is another topic and I do not want to contribute to derailing the OP topic. I hope you understand.
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You should see what I get called on here lol...I actually like it though , it shows that you are getting to people (in a good or bad way I don't care). My wife met a great old fella that I used to work with and she counted him saying the eff word 30 odd times in one minute, and the c word is seen as a term of endearment in my area (work mainly but sometimes at home lol).

I know what you mean about insults to your face though but I don't think german hick meant it in that way...he's really laid back. If some BLM moron got in my face and called me a Nazi I would get physical...but here's different.
 
Jean-s said:
I would not give the time of day to anyone in real life who said to my face that I was talking bull**** and I will not be on speaking terms with a complete stranger on the internet who is so insulting, Big Eye. Consider that thin skinned if you like but I see it as a matter of self respect, if you know what I mean.
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Ahh BS. Relax.
 
Jean-s said:
I would not give the time of day to anyone in real life who said to my face that I was talking bull**** and I will not be on speaking terms with a complete stranger on the internet who is so insulting, Big Eye. Consider that thin skinned if you like but I see it as a matter of self respect, if you know what I mean.
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and saying somebody he´s talking bull**** when he insults all conservatives is more insulting than calling all conservatives nazis?

hell I´m talking bull**** too sometimes. I hope I mostly recognise it myself, but beeing wrong sometimes is humanly..
 
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Big Eye said:
You should see what I get called on here lol...I actually like it though , it shows that you are getting to people (in a good or bad way I don't care). My wife met a great old fella that I used to work with and she counted him saying the eff word 30 odd times in one minute, and the c word is seen as a term of endearment in my area (work mainly but sometimes at home lol).

I know what you mean about insults to your face though but I don't think german hick meant it in that way...he's really laid back. If some BLM moron got in my face and called me a Nazi I would get physical...but here's different.
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I am glad posting on DebatePolitics is a jolly experience for you, Big Eye, and I am sure you would consider I have a lot to learn. I do draw a line at discourtesy. I am almost sure german hick did not mean to insult me and I put it down to English not being his first language. Have you any idea how Germans are if you get some point of German grammar wrong or use an inappropriate word? Ha! As I told him, I considered we were getting along exceptionally well, liking each others posts. So, it is very much my loss more than his that it is ended.

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Took me a bit to find some other sources but it appears the OP story is lining up, and it appears there is history with this sub-unit of the KSK and far right groups.

Seems to be some risk but we have little information over on this side of the pond.

What specifically are these far right groups?

Established in 1996, its reputation was tarnished in 2003 when its then-commander was forced into early retirement after being accused of being close to far-right extremists.
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Sub-unit of elite German KSK special forces to be disbanded over links to far-right extremists - ABC News

German Defense Minister Annegret Kramp-Karrenbauer reportedly told the Sueddeutsche Zeitung newspaper Tuesday that she had issued the order to partially dissolve the group, which had "become partially independent" from the chain of command," the AFP reported.
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German Special Forces unit to be dissolved, source says, after reported far-right links - CNN
 
PoS said:
They should just be truthful and rename it the Waffen SS Dummkopf Division...
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After all the White House already has its SS Drumpfkopf Division ;)
 
they also said in the news yesterday that 10thousands of bullets and 62kg explosives are misseing in their magazines...
 
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