Street riots in Stuttgart, Germany

Infinite Chaos · Jun 28, 2020

Big Eye said:
The riot in Brixton was the start of these street parties and the riot in Brixton was preceded by the BLM event. Do you even accept that BLM are anti-police?

You're lying again. Dame Cressida Dick has stated that 140 police officers have been injured policing illegal street parties across London for the last THREE ****ing weeks yet you want to make the illegal one this week in Brixton / BLM the blame and cause of them all?

Up to 140 police officers injured during illegal street parties and protests, Met Commissioner says | The Independent

And to show what an honest and direct reply to your question is - no, I don't accept that BLM are anti-police. Some of the members will be but "BLM" is a loose organisation of protesters. Yeah some members of Socialist Worker Party have turned up but that happens everywhere. There are good honest football fans but there are also "firms" in every club - I am not stupid to conflate ALL football supporters with the firms at the same club. I'm always clear about "football hooligans" as opposed to "football fans."

Same way I say "illegal street party" is not the same as "BLM" event. Especially when there are at least 4-5 hours between the two events.

Big Eye · Jun 28, 2020

Infinite Chaos said:
You're lying again. Dame Cressida Dick has stated that 140 police officers have been injured policing illegal street parties across London for the last THREE ****ing weeks yet you want to make the illegal one this week in Brixton / BLM the blame and cause of them all?

Up to 140 police officers injured during illegal street parties and protests, Met Commissioner says | The Independent

And to show what an honest and direct reply to your question is - no, I don't accept that BLM are anti-police. Some of the members will be but "BLM" is a loose organisation of protesters. Yeah some members of Socialist Worker Party have turned up but that happens everywhere. There are good honest football fans but there are also "firms" in every club - I am not stupid to conflate ALL football supporters with the firms at the same club. I'm always clear about "football hooligans" as opposed to "football fans."

Same way I say "illegal street party" is not the same as "BLM" event. Especially when there are at least 4-5 hours between the two events.

I think you're being economical with the truth. I've no doubt that there were other "parties" causing trouble, but nothing on the scale of this one, this one that was preceded by a BLM event. You can make weaselly excuses that not all BLM followers are anti-police...but BLM openly states that it wants to defund the police. In other words BLM activists do not like the police and would have been in the area before the riots.

Infinite Chaos · Jun 28, 2020

Big Eye said:
I think you're being economical with the truth.

You have a demonstrable history of failing to tell the truth.

Big Eye said:
I've no doubt that there were other "parties" causing trouble, but nothing on the scale of this one

You write "parties" even when the chief of Police says they were? What do you know that she doesn't? You didn't even know there were other parties till I showed you.

Big Eye said:
this one that was preceded by a BLM event.

At least 4-5 hours had passed between the two. Your own link tells you this. The BLM event was lunchtime in Brixton and the block party started around 10 onwards.

Big Eye said:
You can make weaselly excuses that not all BLM followers are anti-police...but BLM openly states that it wants to defund the police. In other words BLM activists do not like the police and would have been in the area before the riots.

Do you know what "defund the police" actually means? I bet you don't but you will now go and research and then come back and lie about it.

german hick · Jun 28, 2020

Big Eye said:
Just a quick question for german hick...

Do you feel that Germany has changed much over the last 20 or 30 years ? Has the massive recent immigration to Germany from both Eastern Europe and the middle east had much effect on German life?

I spent a few months near Stuttgart in 1984 working with English bricklayers, I was 17 and working illegally mrgreen but remember thinking what a wealthy, clean and pleasant place it was compared to Portsmouth...would I see much difference today?

Well, I´m from the country - seldom riots in the woods ;o) - defineteley it changed. But not because of immigration - not changing means going back. It did not become more violent here although a lot of Americans tell me - with foxnews as proof and telling me I get lied by the German press.

Stuttgart is quite far from here but I´m sure you woun´t recognize a difference

What I fell since my college times in the 90´s the society gets more selfish and less social. But that progress began long before 2015 - so you can´t use it as an argument against the evil foreigners.

And the polarisation sucks hard for me - we´re going in the US direction there... either you are on my side or you are my enemy

thats hard for me - because I have a lot of conservative values, but in social + enviromental + economical issues I´m quite left leaning. Politics in a democrazy can only work by compromize - and it gets harder timt by time to get one

Big Eye · Jun 28, 2020

Infinite Chaos said:
You have a demonstrable history of failing to tell the truth.

You write "parties" even when the chief of Police says they were? What do you know that she doesn't? You didn't even know there were other parties till I showed you.

At least 4-5 hours had passed between the two. Your own link tells you this. The BLM event was lunchtime in Brixton and the block party started around 10 onwards.

Do you know what "defund the police" actually means? I bet you don't but you will now go and research and then come back and lie about it.

God you come out with some crap.

In a city the size of London I think most people would accept that there are regular "parties"or "protests" that get out of control...but to liken them to the riot that took place after the BLM event is a joke...did those other "parties" (not "protests") make the headlines? No , they didn't because there was nowhere near the level of lawlessness at them.

Defunding the police means cutting police expenditure (diverting the money towards whatever **** local activists want)...that's pretty obvious even for you.

Big Eye · Jun 28, 2020

german hick said:
Well, I´m from the country - seldom riots in the woods ;o) - defineteley it changed. But not because of immigration - not changing means going back. It did not become more violent here although a lot of Americans tell me - with foxnews as proof and telling me I get lied by the German press.

Stuttgart is quite far from here but I´m sure you woun´t recognize a difference

What I fell since my college times in the 90´s the society gets more selfish and less social. But that progress began long before 2015 - so you can´t use it as an argument against the evil foreigners.

And the polarisation sucks hard for me - we´re going in the US direction there... either you are on my side or you are my enemy

thats hard for me - because I have a lot of conservative values, but in social + enviromental + economical issues I´m quite left leaning. Politics in a democrazy can only work by compromize - and it gets harder timt by time to get one

For me "compromise" is a dirty word, too often it means giving ground to absolutely insane "progressive" ideas...like men demanding we call them women . So compromise always involves conservatives compromising their position , whereas the left would never compromise theirs...so it has come to the time when conservative say no to some of the left's pet projects ...like mass immigration.

I have to say that you have invented a great new English word ..."democrazy"...brilliant, just about sums things up.

german hick · Jun 28, 2020

Big Eye said:
For me "compromise" is a dirty word, too often it means giving ground to absolutely insane "progressive" ideas...like men demanding we call them women . So compromise always involves conservatives compromising their position , whereas the left would never compromise theirs...so it has come to the time when conservative say no to some of the left's pet projects ...like mass immigration.

I have to say that you have invented a great new English word ..."democrazy"...brilliant, just about sums things up.

oops - I´m a real good debater giving fuel to the oponent..

/ - ;o)

If you don´t like compromise you want a dictatorship? Anything else only works with compromise - and believe me, the left is loosing a lot of their projects too because of that. But there is no other way if you ask me.

Big Eye · Jun 28, 2020

german hick said:
oops - I´m a real good debater giving fuel to the oponent.. / - ;o)

If you don´t like compromise you want a dictatorship? Anything else only works with compromise - and believe me, the left is loosing a lot of their projects too because of that. But there is no other way if you ask me.

Too often "compromise" means giving ground to people whose ideas are terrible. A better word would be "Persuasion", persuasion implies that your opponent has a valid argument that you may reasonably accept , compromise can sometimes imply that you are giving ground to someone with a lousy argument.

german hick · Jun 28, 2020

Big Eye said:
Too often "compromise" means giving ground to people whose ideas are terrible. A better word would be "Persuasion", persuasion implies that your opponent has a valid argument that you may reasonably accept , compromise can sometimes imply that you are giving ground to someone with a lousy argument.

you recognise it yourself, do you?

"everybody who has not my opinion, has the wrong opinion and has to be stopped" - that´s dictatorship

Big Eye · Jun 28, 2020

german hick said:
you recognise it yourself, do you?

"everybody who has not my opinion, has the wrong opinion and has to be stopped" - that´s dictatorship

I'd say that there are certain left wing ideas that I've been persuaded on ...eg, the minimum wage. I'm even open to the concept of a universal basic income for everyone...however there are ideas that are so crazy, that are anti-reality...like men becoming women , that I can never accept those ideas. Those ideas usually come from the left, it is the left that wants to destroy traditional values after all.

I've made the point before that the political left tries to redefine reality (which is impossible) but the right tends to accept reality and try to make the best of it. So , as an example, if a man wants to be a woman that is impossible but if he wants to become a feminised man that's possible and acceptable to people like me insofar as it is none of my business.

Telling me I must accept the impossible is my business ,and I can tell those that wish to impose such views on me to **** off. That's how I see it anyway.

german hick · Jun 28, 2020

Big Eye said:
I'd say that there are certain left wing ideas that I've been persuaded on ...eg, the minimum wage. I'm even open to the concept of a universal basic income for everyone...however there are ideas that are so crazy, that are anti-reality...like men becoming women , that I can never accept those ideas. Those ideas usually come from the left, it is the left that wants to destroy traditional values after all.

I've made the point before that the political left tries to redefine reality (which is impossible) but the right tends to accept reality and try to make the best of it. So , as an example, if a man wants to be a woman that is impossible but if he wants to become a feminised man that's possible and acceptable to people like me insofar as it is none of my business.

Telling me I must accept the impossible is my business ,and I can tell those that wish to impose such views on me to **** off. That's how I see it anyway.

yes - I have such topics too. The personal propety freedom or "not freedom" is one. I have a small Farm and am alowwed nearly nothing without permission from some beaurocrat

but never personal stuff - everybody should live as he wants and when he says he is a girl its his buisness, not mine. I too don´t want somebody else to say me who I am.

Big Eye · Jun 28, 2020

german hick said:
yes - I have such topics too. The personal propety freedom or "not freedom" is one. I have a small Farm and am alowwed nearly nothing without permission from some beaurocrat

but never personal stuff - everybody should live as he wants and when he says he is a girl its his buisness, not mine. I too don´t want somebody else to say me who I am.

The trouble with identity is that really it's an agreement...so if I say that I'm an elephant you don't have to agree with me...but if I say I'm a woman you have to agree with me or you'll get arrested.:lamo

Infinite Chaos · Jun 28, 2020

Big Eye said:
God you come out with some crap.

In a city the size of London I think most people would accept that there are regular "parties"or "protests" that get out of control...but to liken them to the riot that took place after the BLM event is a joke...did those other "parties" (not "protests") make the headlines? No , they didn't because there was nowhere near the level of lawlessness at them.

Even when shown the evidence, police evidence - you still have to lie.

Big Eye said:
Defunding the police means cutting police expenditure (diverting the money towards whatever **** local activists want)...that's pretty obvious even for you.

Yeah, and you think that meand BLM are anti-police? Your own words.... :lamo

german hick · Jun 28, 2020

Big Eye said:
The trouble with identity is that really it's an agreement...so if I say that I'm an elephant you don't have to agree with me...but if I say I'm a woman you have to agree with me or you'll get arrested.:lamo

you hardly get arrestet - and when you wanna be an elephant - no problem for me. More Benjamin Blümchen, or rather Dumbo? ;oP

Chagos · Jun 28, 2020

german hick said:
you hardly get arrestet - and when you wanna be an elephant - no problem for me. More Benjamin Blümchen, or rather Dumbo? ;oP

He won't know who Benjamin Blümchen is, but that aside, what astonished ME in all this was the news of Stuttgart actually having a party scene.

Okay, it's been some years since I was last there, but the place was such a bore that I wouldn't want to be found hanging dead over any fence there.

Not to even mention the awful local accent.:mrgreen:

german hick · Jun 29, 2020

Chagos said:
He won't know who Benjamin Blümchen is, but that aside, what astonished ME in all this was the news of Stuttgart actually having a party scene.

Okay, it's been some years since I was last there, but the place was such a bore that I wouldn't want to be found hanging dead over any fence there.

Not to even mention the awful local accent.:mrgreen:

Stuttgart is like Hannover - a big capital city with the attitude of a village - only difference: the Hannover folks can speak understandable ;o)

Big Eye · Jun 29, 2020

Infinite Chaos said:
Even when shown the evidence, police evidence - you still have to lie.

Yeah, and you think that meand BLM are anti-police? Your own words.... :lamo

BLM are a vile organisation ...and I'm sure that in the future people that are praising it up now will be hiding their association with it, this period of trashing our cultural heritage will be seen as infamous . You'd have to be blind not to see the direction of travel of this fascist organisation... or stupid.

Big Eye · Jun 29, 2020

german hick said:
you hardly get arrestet - and when you wanna be an elephant - no problem for me. More Benjamin Blümchen, or rather Dumbo? ;oP

My basic point is that people can be wrong about themselves. I may think I'm an elephant but you'd have to be stupid to agree!

Let's say you met a woman who was going to jump off a tall building because she thinks she can fly...do you encourage her to try?

Marxist madness has encouraged normally sane people to believe in really stupid things.

Infinite Chaos · Jun 29, 2020

Big Eye said:
BLM are a vile organisation ...and I'm sure that in the future people that are praising it up now will be hiding their association with it, this period of trashing our cultural heritage will be seen as infamous . You'd have to be blind not to see the direction of travel of this fascist organisation... or stupid.

I notice you've avoided the point about illegal street parties and you are now avoiding what "defund the police" means by simply attacking BLM.

I'm not here to teach you what BLM is about, you've read what you want to read and you won't read any further - so please don't pretend to be an authority on any civil rights groups anywhere in the world.

Big Eye · Jun 29, 2020

Infinite Chaos said:
I notice you've avoided the point about illegal street parties and you are now avoiding what "defund the police" means by simply attacking BLM.

I'm not here to teach you what BLM is about, you've read what you want to read and you won't read any further - so please don't pretend to be an authority on any civil rights groups anywhere in the world.

The retards think that if you throw money at local amenities rather than the police everything's going to be rosy in the garden...evidence around here says otherwise, the spoilt brats burnt their brand new youth centre down!:lamo

"civil rights groups"...they're a bunch of racists who don't believe in democracy ! There's not a snowball's chance in hell that you've ever voted Conservative, you are very left wing ...you have to be to buy into the blm **** .:lamo

Infinite Chaos · Jun 29, 2020

Big Eye said:
The retards think that if you throw money at local amenities rather than the police everything's going to be rosy in the garden...evidence around here says otherwise, the spoilt brats burnt their brand new youth centre down!:lamo

"civil rights groups"...they're a bunch of racists who don't believe in democracy ! There's not a snowball's chance in hell that you've ever voted Conservative, you are very left wing ...you have to be to buy into the blm **** .:lamo

You're deflecting from trying to prove BLM in the UK or USA are anti-police and you're running away from the lie that the illegal parties started this Wednesday and you're also running away from the lie that the block party on Tuesday was a BLM event.