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Brexit fisheries threat: MEPs to slap trade sanctions on UK after refusal to back down

Chagos said:
Personal bias wants to force me to agree, but I still think it's probably Italy still.

Without which (who) the French would probably still be eating the disgusting slop that Catherine of Medici eradicated.:lol:
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I was actually going to use Italy, along with Spain.

The cultural diversity from north to south in both countries is really quite astounding.
 
Infinite Chaos said:
Which will still never ever entice me to visit any part of Italy.




Ever.
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Really?

I love the place, and have visited countless times, although never further south than Terracina.

I always feel like I'm in an old Fellini movie when I sit with my Italian friends in a restaurant or a café lol.
 
Snazzy said:
I was actually going to use Italy, along with Spain.

The cultural diversity from north to south in both countries is really quite astounding.
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Yeah, Andalucia and the Basque country seem, speaking "cuisine", of different worlds.

As much as Lombardy and Sicily.
 
Snazzy said:
Really?

I love the place, and have visited countless times, although never further south than Terracina.

I always feel like I'm in an old Fellini movie when I sit with my Italian friends in a restaurant or a café lol.
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There were places in the Sicilian backlands where my English started taking on a Marlon Brando tone.:mrgreen:
 
Chagos said:
Yeah, Andalucia and the Basque country seem, speaking "cuisine", of different worlds.
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They're practically a different civilisation.

I read somewhere that in San Sebastian although they speak Spanish, they also have a completely different language that has no Latin origins at all.

Anyway, I'm rambling now and veering off topic.
 
Snazzy said:
They're practically a different civilisation.

I read somewhere that in San Sebastian although they speak Spanish, they also have a completely different language that has no Latin origins at all.

Anyway, I'm rambling now and veering off topic.
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Just to address that (and then I'll move on as well) Euskari (Basque) remains a linguistic mystery to this day.

It isn't related to anything at all and probably the only pre-Indo-European language in Europe altogether.
 
Snazzy said:
My money would be on Spain for that title.
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Yeah , I was in Tenerife earlier in the year and there was a wide choice...but that was a resort area, I'm not so sure an average Spanish town the size of Portsmouth would have the same choice as I have here though...Malaysian, Spanish, Mexican , French, Cantonese, Bangladesh, Italian, Turkish...and a lot of those have been here since at least the 70's. The idea that British food is poor in terms of choice and quality has long been blown out of the water.
 
Chagos said:
If the above is designed to address my statement of "let's take care of your lies over "picking out selective years of only 2004 and 2014"., congratulations on failing as miserably as before.

The general reduction in catch, not just by the UK has already been addressed as much as the cod wars that had nothing to do with the EU.

Your constant gish gallops have become so tedious that one can only follow this advice

Say that it's a Gish Gallop and walk away. This method is unlikely to change any minds. ..........which I don't even care to do in your case........... However, because the point of the Gish Gallop is to make opponents waste time and energy playing a game on the Galloper's terms, the best move may be to not play.


seeing how

The Gish Gallop is the fallacious debate tactic of drowning your opponent in a flood of individually-weak arguments in order to prevent rebuttal of the whole argument collection without great effort.

and, to add, a demonstration of the argumentative impotence of those (in this case you) that use it.
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The point is that from the mid 70's the EU were able to plunder British waters, decimating stock. As I said , you're the only person in the world that thinks EU membership has been good for the British fishing industry.
 
Big Eye said:
The point is that from the mid 70's the EU were able to plunder British waters, decimating stock. As I said , you're the only person in the world that thinks EU membership has been good for the British fishing industry.
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The Gish Gallop is the fallacious debate tactic of drowning your opponent in a flood of individually-weak arguments in order to prevent rebuttal of the whole argument collection without great effort.

and, to add, a demonstration of the argumentative impotence of those (in this case you) that use it.
 
Chagos said:
I've enjoyed eating in Britain but that one gets you :lamo:lamo
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Well recently I've been to Berlin, Rome, Tenerife , Prague and Brussels and I'd say the choice in London is better...and I bet if you went to a small City like Portsmouth anywhere in Europe you'd struggle to match the diversity here...although I would say the quality may not be the highest here.
 
Chagos said:
The Gish Gallop is the fallacious debate tactic of drowning your opponent in a flood of individually-weak arguments in order to prevent rebuttal of the whole argument collection without great effort.

and, to add, a demonstration of the argumentative impotence of those (in this case you) that use it.
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There's nothing individually weak about a government graph showing the UK catch has halved since we joined the EU...probably because other EU countries have plundered our waters.

Your point that there's been a slight up and down tick in recent years is irrelevant other than to try and mis-direct attention away from what's really happening...and your figures don't correlate to the governments own figures either...that's what I said about being selective with sources that fit your agenda.
 
Big Eye said:
There's nothing individually weak about a government graph showing the UK catch has halved since we joined the EU...probably because other EU countries have plundered our waters.

Your point that there's been a slight up and down tick in recent years is irrelevant other than to try and mis-direct attention away from what's really happening...and your figures don't correlate to the governments own figures either...that's what I said about being selective with sources that fit your agenda.
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The Gish Gallop is the fallacious debate tactic of drowning your opponent in a flood of individually-weak arguments in order to prevent rebuttal of the whole argument collection without great effort.

and, to add, a demonstration of the argumentative impotence of those (in this case you) that use it.
 
Chagos said:
Why?

Did somebody lash you with a wet spaghetti?:2razz:
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Just never taken my fancy. Nothing more sinister than that really. I love Italians, we have an amazing authentic street food pizza place here and we're regulars - they keep inviting us over for summer holiday but I'll let my family go and I'll go elsewhere.
 
Big Eye said:
Well recently I've been to Berlin, Rome, Tenerife , Prague and Brussels and I'd say the choice in London is better...and I bet if you went to a small City like Portsmouth anywhere in Europe you'd struggle to match the diversity here...although I would say the quality may not be the highest here.
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Had a few nice meals at the Algarve's Grill to be fair.
 
Sven Karma said:
Had a few nice meals at the Algarve's Grill to be fair.
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On the same principle of, when on holiday, never going anywhere but "local" (e.g. not going Chinese in Norway), I shunned it and chose the Eastney Tavern for local color (and sea-food of course).

Great!!!

Of course if I lived permanently in the area, I'd now and then go Portuguese like I'll occasionally go Sushi down here in Spain.
 
Infinite Chaos said:
Just never taken my fancy. Nothing more sinister than that really. I love Italians, we have an amazing authentic street food pizza place here and we're regulars - they keep inviting us over for summer holiday but I'll let my family go and I'll go elsewhere.
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Fair enough but you're missing a lot.
 
Chagos said:
The Gish Gallop is the fallacious debate tactic of drowning your opponent in a flood of individually-weak arguments in order to prevent rebuttal of the whole argument collection without great effort.

and, to add, a demonstration of the argumentative impotence of those (in this case you) that use it.
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So , to make this straight...you think the EU has done no harm to British fishing ? Hahahahahahahahahah, unbelievable , you should pop over here and tell some fishermen that.

You just can't accept that the British catch is half of what it was before we joined the EU...that's a ****ing FACT...and its demise happened the minute we joined the EU...that's a ****ing FACT too...**** me...
 
Chagos said:
On the same principle of, when on holiday, never going anywhere but "local" (e.g. not going Chinese in Norway), I shunned it and chose the Eastney Tavern for local color (and sea-food of course).

Great!!!

Of course if I lived permanently in the area, I'd now and then go Portuguese like I'll occasionally go Sushi down here in Spain.
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Had a Christmas dinner in there the Christmas before last...our mate's dad lives just around the corner so we met him there...he's a ringer for Uncle Albert from Only Fools..
 
Big Eye said:
~ You just can't accept that the British catch is half of what it was before we joined the EU...that's a ****ing FACT...and its demise happened the minute we joined the EU...that's a ****ing FACT too...**** me...
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Just for clarity.. Where are you getting your figures from and what fish are you talking about?

Before we joined the EEC and around the time of the Cod Wars - (1976) The UK fished Cod in Iceland's waters, not UK waters. UK fishermen also fished UK waters but the majority of Cod and haddock came in from Iceland.

Are you including UK catches in Iceland's waters?

Also, since 1995 Cod specifically has suffered and not been able to reproduce in high enough numbers for every year - page 11 of the parliament study I linked before.
 
Big Eye said:
So , to make this straight...you think the EU has done no harm to British fishing ? Hahahahahahahahahah, unbelievable , you should pop over here and tell some fishermen that.
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seeing how I never claimed either harm or advantage-----------

The Gish Gallop is the fallacious debate tactic of drowning your opponent in a flood of individually-weak arguments in order to prevent rebuttal of the whole argument collection without great effort.

and, to add, a demonstration of the argumentative impotence of those (in this case you) that use it.
You just can't accept that the British catch is half of what it was before we joined the EU.
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seeing how I made no such claim...............

The Gish Gallop is the fallacious debate tactic of drowning your opponent in a flood of individually-weak arguments in order to prevent rebuttal of the whole argument collection without great effort.

and, to add, a demonstration of the argumentative impotence of those (in this case you) that use it.
that's a ****ing FACT...and its demise happened the minute we joined the EU...that's a ****ing FACT too...**** me...
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seeing how profanity cannot serve in substitution of pertinent argument.....................well, you know the rest.
 
Infinite Chaos said:
Just for clarity.. Where are you getting your figures from and what fish are you talking about?

Before we joined the EEC and around the time of the Cod Wars - (1976) The UK fished Cod in Iceland's waters, not UK waters. UK fishermen also fished UK waters but the majority of Cod and haddock came in from Iceland.

Are you including UK catches in Iceland's waters?

Also, since 1995 Cod specifically has suffered and not been able to reproduce in high enough numbers for every year - page 11 of the parliament study I linked before.
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You see any point in any of this?

Simply don't go bothering people with facts when they already have an opinion and confuse the latter with the former.

Makes them go four-letter.:lamo
 
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