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    Kosovo is Serbia

    I guess the Albanians in Kosovo got away with a stolen land.

    Interesting article.

    Noel Malcolm: Is Kosovo Serbia? We ask a historian | World news | The Guardian

    So why did we Americans put our noses were it doesnt belong? We recognized Kosovo as a country?

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    Re: Kosovo is Serbia

    Quote Originally Posted by Daqueef View Post
    I guess the Albanians in Kosovo got away with a stolen land.

    Interesting article.

    Noel Malcolm: Is Kosovo Serbia? We ask a historian | World news | The Guardian

    So why did we Americans put our noses were it doesnt belong? We recognized Kosovo as a country?
    Because the Serbs had already committed genocide in Bosnia and were ramping up to do it again in Kosovo.

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    Re: Kosovo is Serbia

    Quote Originally Posted by Tigerace117 View Post
    Because the Serbs had already committed genocide in Bosnia and were ramping up to do it again in Kosovo.
    So that means credit them the land that does not belong to them?

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    Re: Kosovo is Serbia

    Quote Originally Posted by Daqueef View Post
    So that means credit them the land that does not belong to them?
    Play stupid games....

    Win stupid prizes...
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    Re: Kosovo is Serbia

    Quote Originally Posted by Fledermaus View Post
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    That logic does not apply here.

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    Re: Kosovo is Serbia

    Quote Originally Posted by Daqueef View Post
    That logic does not apply here.
    Indeed it does.
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    Re: Kosovo is Serbia

    Serbia, a Slavic Orthodox Christian nation was a close ally of Russia and the CIS which followed the USSR. Western Europe and America wanted to weaken Serbia which with Soviet/Russian support was positioned to take over much, if not all, of former Yugoslavian territory in the former Yugoslavia by force if it desired to do so. Thus Europe led by Germany fostered break-away movements from the moribund Yugoslavia in Slovenia and Croatia. But things got out of control as both Croatian and Serbian militaries and paramilitaries began to use the brutal tactics of ethnic cleansing and ethnic massacre in their efforts to secure control of disputed lands they wanted. When Serbians got the upper hand in the Serbian-Croatian conflict and the struggle widened into Bosnia-Herzegovina, the West pushed harder and forced itself into the middle of the Yugoslavian civil war to limit Serbian gains and stop atrocities while Russia was weakened and could not effectively support its Slavic Allies in Serbia. The Serbs wouldn't back down and the UN wouldn't authorise the use of force except in self-defence so NATO and the USA resolved to attack Serbia. They did by intense air strikes. Serbia buckled and Peace Keeping Troops were sent in to deconflict the various enemy ethnic groups.

    With the weakening of Serbia by NATO, Albanians began flooding into Kosovo which had had a substantial local Albanian majority population for years. The Albanians armed themselves and formed paramilitary units under the umbrella organisation the Kosovo Liberation Army. Albanians paramilitaries began attacking Kosovar Serbs in a campaign of ethnic cleansing. In reaction the Serbs sent into the former Yugoslavian province of Kosovo military and paramilitary forces which attacked both the KLA and Kosovar Albanians with savage fury in a counter ethnic cleansing campaign. While both sides committed grievous atrocities the West once again focused selectively upon the Serbian atrocities as a pretext to further weaken Serbia. Serbia proper was once again attacked by US-led NATO air strikes and again buckled. In the agreement to end the fighting the fate of the province of Kosovo was left purposefully vague, and later unclear directives of a possible future referendum on its status were drawn up despite vigorous objections from the Serbian state. While Albanians were allowed to continue to migrate to Kosovo, Serbs were not. Thus in time a very substantial Albanian majority was established before the referendum was held. The Albanians won the vote and the territory was ceded to Albania over Serbian objections.

    So the answer to the OP's question was the West wanted to weaken pan-Slavism, Serbia and Russia and thus used the atrocities of the Yugoslavian Civil War selectively as a pretext to weaken Serbia by military action, despite heinous crimes being committed by all sides in this civil war. The removal of Kosovo was just the last step in this process of weakening and territorial dismemberment.

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    Re: Kosovo is Serbia

    Quote Originally Posted by Daqueef View Post
    So that means credit them the land that does not belong to them?
    When you commit genocide, you can’t cry when others step in to stop you.

    Germany lost a lot of land after World War Two due to that same reason.

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    Re: Kosovo is Serbia

    Quote Originally Posted by Evilroddy View Post
    Serbia, a Slavic Orthodox Christian nation was a close ally of Russia and the CIS which followed the USSR. Western Europe and America wanted to weaken Serbia which with Soviet/Russian support was positioned to take over much, if not all, of former Yugoslavian territory in the former Yugoslavia by force if it desired to do so. Thus Europe led by Germany fostered break-away movements from the moribund Yugoslavia in Slovenia and Croatia. But things got out of control as both Croatian and Serbian militaries and paramilitaries began to use the brutal tactics of ethnic cleansing and ethnic massacre in their efforts to secure control of disputed lands they wanted. When Serbians got the upper hand in the Serbian-Croatian conflict and the struggle widened into Bosnia-Herzegovina, the West pushed harder and forced itself into the middle of the Yugoslavian civil war to limit Serbian gains and stop atrocities while Russia was weakened and could not effectively support its Slavic Allies in Serbia. The Serbs wouldn't back down and the UN wouldn't authorise the use of force except in self-defence so NATO and the USA resolved to attack Serbia. They did by intense air strikes. Serbia buckled and Peace Keeping Troops were sent in to deconflict the various enemy ethnic groups.

    With the weakening of Serbia by NATO, Albanians began flooding into Kosovo which had had a substantial local Albanian majority population for years. The Albanians armed themselves and formed paramilitary units under the umbrella organisation the Kosovo Liberation Army. Albanians paramilitaries began attacking Kosovar Serbs in a campaign of ethnic cleansing. In reaction the Serbs sent into the former Yugoslavian province of Kosovo military and paramilitary forces which attacked both the KLA and Kosovar Albanians with savage fury in a counter ethnic cleansing campaign. While both sides committed grievous atrocities the West once again focused selectively upon the Serbian atrocities as a pretext to further weaken Serbia. Serbia proper was once again attacked by US-led NATO air strikes and again buckled. In the agreement to end the fighting the fate of the province of Kosovo was left purposefully vague, and later unclear directives of a possible future referendum on its status were drawn up despite vigorous objections from the Serbian state. While Albanians were allowed to continue to migrate to Kosovo, Serbs were not. Thus in time a very substantial Albanian majority was established before the referendum was held. The Albanians won the vote and the territory was ceded to Albania over Serbian objections.

    So the answer to the OP's question was the West wanted to weaken pan-Slavism, Serbia and Russia and thus used the atrocities of the Yugoslavian Civil War selectively as a pretext to weaken Serbia by military action, despite heinous crimes being committed by all sides in this civil war. The removal of Kosovo was just the last step in this process of weakening and territorial dismemberment.

    Cheers and be well.
    Evilroddy.
    Didnt Albanians migrate a long time in Kosovo? Why did it take Serbs so long to fight back for their land? Its pretty confusing. Wasnt Miloseciv the leader at that time?

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    Re: Kosovo is Serbia

    Quote Originally Posted by Daqueef View Post
    Didnt Albanians migrate a long time in Kosovo? Why did it take Serbs so long to fight back for their land? Its pretty confusing. Wasnt Miloseciv the leader at that time?
    Daqieef:

    Yes, there had been an Albanian majority in Kosovo since before the land was conquered by Serbia in 1912. However the land of Kosovo reverted to Yugoslavian ownership after WWI. So Kosovo wasn't Serbian territory but was Yugoslavian territory. It was no longer exclusively Serbian territory. With the death of Marshal Tito in 1976 and the later rise of Slobodan Milosevic as the head of Serbia, the Serbians tried to reclaim their exclusive ownership of Kosovo but were unsuccessful due to military intervention.

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