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The Myth of Dresden

OldFatGuy said:
There are no facts, and you are welcomed as a champion of ignorance. Be proud.
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Said only the solipsist. Im not going to entertain such sophistry but actual historians know better :). Its a cop out said by people who are desperately clinging to their biases to dishonestly besmirch the work that professionals work tirelessly to achieve.
 
bomberfox said:
Said only the solipsist. Im not going to entertain such sophistry but actual historians know better :). Its a cop out said by people who are desperately clinging to their biases to dishonestly besmirch the work that professionals work tirelessly to achieve.
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Keep floundering, the results are entertaining. You are no historian.
 
swing_voter said:
We can safely say the Germans were very brutal towards the Soviets. Compare German treatment of American POWs to Soviet POWs.
We can safely say the Japanese were extremely brutal towards the Chinese and brutal towards American POWs.
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The world: "Germany was quite brutal in WW2."
Germany: "We're sorry... *sniffle*"

The world: "Japan was quite brutal in WW2."
Japan: "LOL! Wut?"

The world: "The CCCP was quite brutal in WW2."
Russia: "Yes! We were the most brutal of all time. We rock!"
The world: "And that was a bad thing."
Russia: "Russia has never been brutal ever, and we reject these capitalist lies!"
 
Tigerace117 said:
Nobody cares what Iron Guard fanboys think.

Bomber Harris do it again.
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Lol, to think there's a guy sitting at a computer somewhere in America who gets aroused by the Dresden massacre. Different strokes I guess.
 
truthatallcost said:
Lol, to think there's a guy sitting at a computer somewhere in America who gets aroused by the Dresden massacre. Different strokes I guess.
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The irony of a guy in 21st century America who is an actual Iron Guard fanboy trying to pretend he’s morally superior to...anyone is pretty ****ing funny.

Dresden was certainly not a “massacre”.

Guess we should have hung another couple hundred of your SS heroes.
 
Tigerace117 said:
The irony of a guy in 21st century America who is an actual Iron Guard fanboy trying to pretend he’s morally superior to...anyone is pretty ****ing funny.

Dresden was certainly not a “massacre”.

Guess we should have hung another couple hundred of your SS heroes.
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I'm not morally superior to you tigerace. When did I say I was? I said that its odd for someone from America to love the Dresden massacre.

3 million Germans were massacred, starved, or worked to death after Germany's surrender on 5/7/45. Two million of these were civilians. And you know what's interesting tiger? Israel's authority on the holocaust can only substantiate that 1.8 million jews died in that event, when verifying deaths from actual records and documents. That's a little more than the number that were supposedly killed at Auschwitz alone.

I think you hate Germans with the same rabid fervor that contributed to the holocaust.
 
truthatallcost said:
I'm not morally superior to you tigerace. When did I say I was? I said that its odd for someone from America to love the Dresden massacre.

3 million Germans were massacred, starved, or worked to death after Germany's surrender on 5/7/45. Two million of these were civilians. And you know what's interesting tiger? Israel's authority on the holocaust can only substantiate that 1.8 million jews died in that event, when verifying deaths from actual records and documents. That's a little more than the number that were supposedly killed at Auschwitz alone.

I think you hate Germans with the same rabid fervor that contributed to the holocaust.
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You “just” danced around making the claim.....which, as I said, is rather laughable given the regimes you support.

You know what’s really interesting bud? Your heroes left behind literally hundreds of thousands of pages of documents, documenting their systematic mass murder of millions upon millions of innocent people. Your Holocaust denial— and yes, trying to claim that there were significantly fewer Jews murdered them has already been historically established numerous times is Holocaust denial— simply can’t face up to the actual facts.

But attempts to use Dresden and other supposed Allied “atrocities” in cases of whataboutism has been noted many times, and yours is no exception.

What contributed to the Holocaust was, amongst other things, your heroes’ own deluded fanaticism. Trying to blame others for “making” them murder millions upon millions of innocent people is incredibly ignorant.
 
PirateMk1 said:
Anything goes as far as I am concerned. As for genuine NAZI's who cares what they think.
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The USSR captured 4,376,300 Germans, and Germany captured 4,559,000 soviet citizens. 86.5% of germans returned from Russian captivity. Only 44.2% of russians and other nationalities returned from Hitler's captivity. And this is only about prisoners of war.
From the book of Robert Kee
Robert Kee - Wikipedia

One evening, a group of british prisoners of war caught up with a column of former Red army soldiers.

The Soviet prisoners were not dressed for winter and did not even have shoes. Their feet were wrapped in rags. "The haggard, pale faces," Robert Key later wrote, " contrasted sharply with the black beards of the exhausted men. Only the eyes betrayed the presence of something human in them, something very faint, hidden, but still human. It was these eyes that sent out the last desperate call for help."

The British began to rummage in their pockets and throw various items to the Soviet prisoners: some soap, some cigarettes. One of the packs fell too far. The Russian prisoner stepped aside to pick it up, but a volkssturm guard immediately ran up and crushed the pack. Then he began to beat the prisoner with the butt of his rifle. There was a roar of indignation among the british. The guard did not expect this turn of events. He stopped beating the russian and stared at the column of englishmen in disbelief. The brutality of the prisoners in the camps had become so familiar to him that any murmur of indignation seemed unthinkable. Then he began to threaten the English with his rifle, but the murmur among them did not cease. In the end, order was established by the guards of the british column itself, and the volkssturmovets fell back to the russians. "My God!" said one of Kee's companions. — I forgive the russians in advance for everything they will do to this country when they come here. Absolutely everything."
 
Jean-s said:
Countries do not think. Politicians make war, not children. I should not have to tell this to you.
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Politicians start wars and it's mother' children who go off and get killed. I don't condone war, it's horrible and we should not inflict it on one another and yet we do.

Should another world war break out do you think politicians or military folks won't kill civilians to obtain their objectives? Sorry but war is not a clean undertaking.
 
bongsaway said:
Politicians start wars and it's mother' children who go off and get killed. I don't condone war, it's horrible and we should not inflict it on one another and yet we do.

Should another world war break out do you think politicians or military folks won't kill civilians to obtain their objectives? Sorry but war is not a clean undertaking.
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Nevertheless, disproportionate targeting of civilians under the rubric of collateral damage remains a war crime.
 
Jean-s said:
Nevertheless, disproportionate targeting of civilians under the rubric of collateral damage remains a war crime.
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If you ever happen to get into a shooting conflict with an 'enemy' and the enemy blows the head off of your best buddy, yeah, war crimes happen during war.
 
bongsaway said:
If you ever happen to get into a shooting conflict with an 'enemy' and the enemy blows the head off of your best buddy, yeah, war crimes happen during war.
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Your point is lost on me.
 
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