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Will COVID-19 kill the EU....Kill the dream?

Hawkeye10

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I mean come on.....there is no bandwidth for another problem...and this is a colossal complex problem.......and there are astonishingly few leaders worth a damn around.

And then too there is almost certainly as well the COVID-19 Depression








What Say U?
 
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I am not a mind reader.....did you have a point?

We are in bad times....now is a good time for us to all do our best to do good work....and this is not that.
 
I am not a mind reader.....did you have a point?

We are in bad times....now is a good time for us to all do our best to do good work....and this is not that.


Apologies. That is Leo Varadkar Taioseach (prime minister) of Ireland. He basically lost the general election in February but is still in the role as a new government hasn’t been formed yet. He made that speech on St Patrick’s Day. I posted it as an example of what leadership looks like and to counter the claim that the EU doesn’t have good leaders.
 
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I mean come on.....there is no bandwidth for another problem...and this is a colossal complex problem.......and there are astonishingly few leaders worth a damn around.

And then too there is almost certainly as well the COVID-19 Depression








What Say U?



What say u?
 
Apologies. That is Leo Varadkar Taioseach (prime minister) of Ireland. He basically lost the general election in February but is still in the role as a new government hasn’t been formed yet. He made that speech on St Patrick’s Day. I posted it as an example of what leadership looks like and to counter the claim that the EU doesn’t have good leaders.

Wow....OK......the quality of your thinking clearly sucks here.....either that or you are being a dick...and either way...

:bon_voyag
 
Wow....OK......the quality of your thinking clearly sucks here.....either that or you are being a dick...and either way...

:bon_voyag

What the hell? I reply politely to you and you call me an idiot or a dick? You start a thread and then won’t engage with the responses you get?
 
I mean come on.....there is no bandwidth for another problem...and this is a colossal complex problem.......and there are astonishingly few leaders worth a damn around.

And then too there is almost certainly as well the COVID-19 Depression








What Say U?

Donald Trump is the worst president in U.S. history.
 
Why should it? The EU has nothing to do with healthcare....

Sent from my Honor 8X
 
This just in:

Coronavirus could be final straw for EU, European experts warn | World news | The Guardian

The pandemic has reopened the wounds of the eurozone crisis, resurrecting stereotypes about “profligate” southern Europeans and “hard-hearted” northerners. “Each crisis has reduced trust between member states and within the whole system and this is a real problem,” said Heather Grabbe, a former adviser to the EU enlargement commissioner.

The Dutch finance minister, Wopke Hoekstra, voiced contrition this week after infuriating his neighbours by asking why other governments didn’t have fiscal buffers to deal with the financial shock of the coronavirus. His comments were described as “repugnant”, “small-minded” and “a threat to the EU’s future” by Portugal’s prime minister, António Costa.
 
I mean come on.....there is no bandwidth for another problem...and this is a colossal complex problem.......and there are astonishingly few leaders worth a damn around.

And then too there is almost certainly as well the COVID-19 Depression








What Say U?

Oh dear. Looks like this thread withered on the vine. Shame your hyper education didn’t teach you anything about the EU that couldn’t be found on the back of a stamp. Or that your Trump worship has left you incapable of recognizing true leadership when it’s right in front of you. Better luck next time truth boy.
 
I mean come on.....there is no bandwidth for another problem...and this is a colossal complex problem.......and there are astonishingly few leaders worth a damn around.

And then too there is almost certainly as well the COVID-19 Depression








What Say U?

More likely that Hungary and Poland becoming fascist states that undermine the ethos of the EU and kill it from paralysis is more likely to than coronavirus ever will.
 
More likely that Hungary and Poland becoming fascist states that undermine the ethos of the EU and kill it from paralysis is more likely to than coronavirus ever will.

And what about the Depression that comes with it if I am right?
 
And what about the Depression that comes with it if I am right?

I believe the EU is in a much better position to recover - it hasn't outsourced all manufacture to China. Germany is very manufacturing oriented while we (the UK) are a services and consumer led economy.
 
I am not knowledgeable enough to have anything to say.

I am trying to change that, I am in listening mode.



Regardless of C19, Brexit nationalist inebriation will force unbecoming economics in the UK. Just like Trump Amexit is forcing unbecoming relationship with the democratic world.
 
More likely that Hungary and Poland becoming fascist states that undermine the ethos of the EU and kill it from paralysis is more likely to than coronavirus ever will.
With the mills of cohesion (among other member states) running as slow as always, sanctioning these "rogues" is going to be like pulling teeth. But unless they simmer down in their nationalistic and egotistical fervor, it'll eventually happen.

Alone to demonstrate to others of equal "ambition" that the tail won't be allowed to wag the dog.

Of greater concern currently is the (ever repeating) bitchfest over lacking solidarity. With the indignant demand for the creation of "Corona-bonds" by those that have ruined their credit-rating thru profligate "debting", being countered by those whose rating is higher by more sensible fiscal policy, and who, understandably, refuse to guarantee the additional borrowing of the "irresponsible" spend-thrifts. Let alone let them profit from interest rates that they had no hand in creating, while such socialization of debt would cause the others to have to pay higher rates.

It's a repeat of the "Eurobonds" clamor of 2008 and, just as then, each side is accusing the other of selfishness. In which both are somewhat correct but the mud-throwing isn't going to address the underlying problem.

The price of not having established a common economic and fiscal policy with all the regulations required for that to work, all on account of every individual member state indignantly demanding that its independence remain untouched on this and other fields.

The ailing incidentally always having led the way in that latter demand, so as to protect themselves from being spanked for having gone broke before the end of the month.

Singing "Money for nothing and the chicks for free" while the rest of the band turns off the mics.

I believe the EU is in a much better position to recover - it hasn't outsourced all manufacture to China. Germany is very manufacturing oriented while we (the UK) are a services and consumer led economy.
One thing that's become apparent to even the most profit-crazed is that a mono-culture by which the production of "cheap" is left to China and others, is that it's an abdication of autonomy. As such the current lack of production facilities for "real" face masks, protective gowns and goggles is an absurdity that cannot remain.

The pharmaceutical sector being of equally untenable condition.
 
With the mills of cohesion (among other member states) running as slow as always, sanctioning these "rogues" is going to be like pulling teeth. But unless they simmer down in their nationalistic and egotistical fervor, it'll eventually happen.

Alone to demonstrate to others of equal "ambition" that the tail won't be allowed to wag the dog.

Of greater concern currently is the (ever repeating) bitchfest over lacking solidarity. With the indignant demand for the creation of "Corona-bonds" by those that have ruined their credit-rating thru profligate "debting", being countered by those whose rating is higher by more sensible fiscal policy, and who, understandably, refuse to guarantee the additional borrowing of the "irresponsible" spend-thrifts. Let alone let them profit from interest rates that they had no hand in creating, while such socialization of debt would cause the others to have to pay higher rates.

It's a repeat of the "Eurobonds" clamor of 2008 and, just as then, each side is accusing the other of selfishness. In which both are somewhat correct but the mud-throwing isn't going to address the underlying problem.

The price of not having established a common economic and fiscal policy with all the regulations required for that to work, all on account of every individual member state indignantly demanding that its independence remain untouched on this and other fields.

If there is any sense in the Northern nations that would fund "coronabonds" they would put greater pressure on the East where political freedoms are dying. Trouble with that though is the highest numbers of cases and deaths are in those wealthy, older nations.

One thing that's become apparent to even the most profit-crazed is that a mono-culture by which the production of "cheap" is left to China and others, is that it's an abdication of autonomy. As such the current lack of production facilities for "real" face masks, protective gowns and goggles is an absurdity that cannot remain.

The pharmaceutical sector being of equally untenable condition.

A lot of things are going to have to be reassessed after Coronavirus - also depending on how the blame-game ends...
 
And what would that do to the idea of the EU exactly?

Pandemics and depressions tend to drive nationalism...and since most of Europe see themselves more as citizens of their nation than of the EU I expect the union to be increasingly stressed, the worse this pandemic is the more it will be stressed....the worse the economy gets the more it will be stressed.

Is there any hope that the union hold over the near term even given all of the problems, all of the stresses, which are ramping up...especially in the rather abysmal political leadership situation....this is what I am trying to figure out.
 
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With the mills of cohesion (among other member states) running as slow as always, sanctioning these "rogues" is going to be like pulling teeth. But unless they simmer down in their nationalistic and egotistical fervor, it'll eventually happen.

Alone to demonstrate to others of equal "ambition" that the tail won't be allowed to wag the dog.

Of greater concern currently is the (ever repeating) bitchfest over lacking solidarity. With the indignant demand for the creation of "Corona-bonds" by those that have ruined their credit-rating thru profligate "debting", being countered by those whose rating is higher by more sensible fiscal policy, and who, understandably, refuse to guarantee the additional borrowing of the "irresponsible" spend-thrifts. Let alone let them profit from interest rates that they had no hand in creating, while such socialization of debt would cause the others to have to pay higher rates.

It's a repeat of the "Eurobonds" clamor of 2008 and, just as then, each side is accusing the other of selfishness. In which both are somewhat correct but the mud-throwing isn't going to address the underlying problem.

The price of not having established a common economic and fiscal policy with all the regulations required for that to work, all on account of every individual member state indignantly demanding that its independence remain untouched on this and other fields.

The ailing incidentally always having led the way in that latter demand, so as to protect themselves from being spanked for having gone broke before the end of the month.

Singing "Money for nothing and the chicks for free" while the rest of the band turns off the mics.

One thing that's become apparent to even the most profit-crazed is that a mono-culture by which the production of "cheap" is left to China and others, is that it's an abdication of autonomy. As such the current lack of production facilities for "real" face masks, protective gowns and goggles is an absurdity that cannot remain.

The pharmaceutical sector being of equally untenable condition.

Finally some meat is found in this thread...thanks.
 
Wow....OK......the quality of your thinking clearly sucks here.....either that or you are being a dick...and either way...

:bon_voyag

Taoiseach Leo Varadkar has re-registered as a medical practitioner and will work one shift a week to help out during the coronavirus crisis.

Mr Varadkar worked as a doctor for seven years before leaving the profession to become a politician and was removed from the medical register in 2013.

Taoiseach rejoins medical register amid Covid-19 crisis

Further example of leadership from Irish prime minister Leo Varadkar, re-registering as a doctor and going back on to the front lines in this crisis. More evidence that Hawkeye was wrong when he claimed there were no leaders in the EU.
 
What a low quality post....is this the norm for you?

Pretty ironic given the empty snark you plastered on the first page of your thread.
 
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