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the UK under Lock Down

Infinite Chaos said:
Clearly Cummings and BoJo were not going to confess that he went to Barnard Castle on his wife's birthday so they have come out with the lamest excuse I've ever heard.

Horrible, horrible... horrible.....

We have over taken Trump and his bleach injections as the world's laughing stock if No10 get away with this.
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Naw you can't take over Trump's bleech comments. Most non Brits have barely heard of this scandal, let alone Cummings. Now Trumps comments are always all over the place.

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Sven Karma said:
Well, it was on the front page of El Periodico website yesterday, which is some going for a story about a mere advisor. First ministerial resignation, even if not of the front rank: UK junior minister quits over PM adviser's lockdown drive - Reuters
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Yea but context is important. I will betcha that most of the coverage is about Boris defending Cummings, rather than the scandal it self. And it will be limited to almost non existent and gone by tomorrow. Yea it was on the Danish tabloids webpage, wayyyyy down on the page, next to the confessions of an ex pornstar...

Where as in the UK press it is stage 1, front page and will be for days.

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Rasputin Cummings claimed to have predicted "a" coronavirus in 2019 yesterday... I missed that little tidbit in his garden press conference.

Unfortunately someone checked his blog and he apparently edited an old entry from 2019 on 14th April 2020 to make this claim.

This guy is supposedly really bright, a "Big-IT" guy but he's not aware that internet archives like "Wayback Machine" exists and can clearly demonstrate yet another Johnson/Cummings lie...

Full Fact: Dominic Cummings lie exposed
 
The Daily Star, about as politically indifferent a newspaper as you can get:

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Here is a thing I already stated in another thread. This Cummings is a spin doctor/little voice in Boris's head, nothing more and nothing less. The only power that he has is having taken up room in the brain of Boris. He really ain't effing anybody special.

Our prime minister, leader of the country, man who instituted the rules in the Netherlands is Mark Rutte (not my political party but doing a good job so far). He, on the advise of health experts closed down all care homes/homes for the elderly for ALL visitors. But his mother was dying, but he did not pull a Cummings card so to speak, he did what he had set as a rule for all Dutch people. All homes for the sick and elderly were locked down from all visitors, even if that visitor is the PM.

That is how it should be, not "no rules for some" and all rules for the rest. That is not how it is supposed to work. If the PM of the Netherlands did not visit him dying mother due to rules he imposed, what the hell is Johnson doing letting his toy poodle run around the UK at his leisure? Going all across the nation, wanting to test his eyes so he made a trip to some castle. Johnson you are a coward and a loser, you let this man do what he wants and it is just not right.
 
Saw Boris squirm around answering questions in a parliamentary committee...

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Here in Spain the periodical renewal of the driving license (every 10 years up to the age of 70, more frequently after that) requires a medical check-up, including, of course, one on eyesight.

None of which is done while DRIVING A BLOODY CAR.

On that issue alone the frigging moron should have his driver's license revoked.
 
PeteEU said:
Saw Boris squirm around answering questions in a parliamentary committee...

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They all had a go, from all sides, and he had nothing but empty bluster. But Yvette Cooper MP (Lab) took him apart.

https://twitter.com/NickCohen4/status/1265667994518196226


At one point Johnson said “I’m not going to give you a deadline because I’ve been forbidden from giving any more targets or deadlines.”

Who forbade the Prime Minister, leader of the Nation, and First Among Equals, from giving a deadline?,
 
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Manc Skipper said:
They all had a go, from all sides, and he had nothing but empty bluster. But Yvette Cooper MP (Lab) took him apart.

https://twitter.com/NickCohen4/status/1265667994518196226


At one point Johnson said “I’m not going to give you a deadline because I’ve been forbidden from giving any more targets or deadlines.”

Who forbade the Prime Minister, leader of the Nation, and First Among Equals, from giving a deadline?,
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With Hancock today speaking of people's "civic duty", this cluster**** would render any novel unsellable on account of totally lacking any plausibility.

One good thing (the only one) about Covid is how it reveals the buffoons, the liars and the cheaters.

Not that any of us required that, seeing how most are not and never were blind to the incompetent clown that now "leads":roll: the nation.
 
Peter King said:
Here is a thing I already stated in another thread. This Cummings is a spin doctor/little voice in Boris's head, nothing more and nothing less. The only power that he has is having taken up room in the brain of Boris. He really ain't effing anybody special.

Our prime minister, leader of the country, man who instituted the rules in the Netherlands is Mark Rutte (not my political party but doing a good job so far). He, on the advise of health experts closed down all care homes/homes for the elderly for ALL visitors. But his mother was dying, but he did not pull a Cummings card so to speak, he did what he had set as a rule for all Dutch people. All homes for the sick and elderly were locked down from all visitors, even if that visitor is the PM.

That is how it should be, not "no rules for some" and all rules for the rest. That is not how it is supposed to work. If the PM of the Netherlands did not visit him dying mother due to rules he imposed, what the hell is Johnson doing letting his toy poodle run around the UK at his leisure? Going all across the nation, wanting to test his eyes so he made a trip to some castle. Johnson you are a coward and a loser, you let this man do what he wants and it is just not right.
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I saw the story on the BBC website at the same time the witness describing Cummings' car number plate forced him to confess he actually had been to Barnard Castle on his wife's birthday. The contrast was stunning.
 
Infinite Chaos said:
I saw the story on the BBC website at the same time the witness describing Cummings' car number plate forced him to confess he actually had been to Barnard Castle on his wife's birthday. The contrast was stunning.
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I had to go check my eyesight, great, have your wife take a written message and see if you can tell what it says from 10 meters away, if so, your eyes are working if not get to a GP or an eye doctor.

Or better yet open up your eyes and realize the mess you made, be genuinely sorry for your idiotic actions and then maybe people can move on. Now you just angered them needlessly and given people more reasons to hate Boris. Cummings is a feckless, weak spine idiot loser.
 
Peter King said:
~ Cummings is a feckless, weak spine idiot loser.
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Very few are fooled by Cummings lies, Boris desperately wants the country to "move on."

A letter sent to the Financial Times yesterday.

"I am so sick and tired of the press treating this gormless little nerd as some sort of Machiavellian schemer. The archetype of a keyboard warrior who spends all his time telling his little circle of forum boys how clever they all are on an obscure right wing blog will be familiar to any of us who have ever had the misfortune of accidentally landing on an alt right reddit thread. The obvious giveaway that this is the case should come from the fact that Cummings hired a literal race eugenicist on the basis that he frequently complimented his sophomoric blog posts. Who knew that “assorted weirdos” actually just meant a bunch of posh Oxbridge humanities twits who really liked your 8000 word psychoanalysis of Otto von Bismarck’s dress sense.

This clown is little more than a glorified press relations spin doctor who happens to know a few lobby journalists moderately well. By not pointing this out more directly, broadcast hacks like Laura Kuenssberg and Robert Peston have let this shill buy his own bulls*** and shape this undeserved reputation as some kind of political rebel outsider who is fighting “the system” and has gone rogue.
I cannot be the only one who is insanely irritated by the incongruence of this guy's attitude/ image of himself and the actually existing reality of his job. He acts like he is some kind of silicone valley techbro libertarian punk rocker who has a total contempt for the humanities and the civil service. While in reality he has an oxbridge history degree, a wife who writes for the spectator, and has been working in politics as an unelected bureaucrat for his entire life. As aesthetically “unconventional” as our little Einstein thinks he is, he moves in exactly the same incestuous and unmeritocratic social circles as basically any toryboy mover and shaker ever has.

You can walk around all day talking about "coding" and how you would like to be a "disruption innovato-preneur" and it will probably convince the type of gormless dimwit who nowadays becomes a tory mp, but anybody who has spent more than 5 minutes in any professional services job will recognise this as the pretentious pseudobabbling of a technically useless marketing strategy consultant. Dress like a slightly-past-his-peak, middle-aged wannabe shoreditch creative type if you insist, but then do not act like it is subversive when you come out of 10 downing street looking like a dishevelled peacock. The fact that he can get away with this when Jeremy Corbyn could not should surely be some kind of indicator that nobody really sees this cheap hack as a remotely serious threat to any kind of established power structures.
Dominic Cummings is not some kind of uniquely sui generis personality, much as he would like to think otherwise. It is pretty clear that he is just the final form of the overly indulged British upperclass eccentric that has throughout the ages been gently coddled into thinking that he is a galaxybrained genius by a fawning gaggle of parliamentary courtiers. All this after having spent a career failing upwards (if anybody doubts his credentials, just look at the dogs breakfast the charlatan made out of his stint at the department of education). Meanwhile totally convinced of his own success since there is no feedback to either the stupidity of his actions or the consequences of his incompetence. Truly the idiot’s idea of what a smart person looks like.

This kind of "renaissance man" who knows nothing about everything has long been prized for holding their own in a tutorial meeting by the chipping norton set, but the dimwit's only actual area of expertise seems to be superfluously connecting everything that has happened in the 20th century back to Otto Van Bismarck somehow. Only now that the British Empire is no longer a cultural hegemon, the usual package of functionally useless cultural signifiers comes with a weird atlanticist twist where everything is distorted through the libertarian prism of MBA-style airport books. For sure, the one thing that the Tory party has been missing until now is a disruptor who thinks that we should run government “more like a business” and is absolutely certain that he is up to the task because he once read Jack Welches autobiography.
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With this ridiculous furore about some middling useless advisor doing something wrong, it feels like the UK press have just entirely missed the point; who cares if this dork gets sacked? As if that could possibly have any significant long term effect on anything, either positive or negative. All that this navel-gazing obsession with personalities tells us is that the entire country has lost its mind and is projecting a decade of lost status and institutional failings onto a real life proponent of the “great man theory of history”. He is just a keyboard warrior who spent too much time talking to Michael Gove, not bloody napoleon
Even more pathetic than pointlessly hating him is the FT’s very own resident client journalist Sebastian Payne writing an article about how “the cabinet needs Cummings to get Brexit done”. WHAT?! Why? Is there a greater indictment of this useless wretched tory party than that? What insight could the UK’s very own poundshop megamind possibly have that makes him indispensable? I have yet to see any proof of his valence, competence, intelligence, anything at all beyond what Toryboy Seb claims is there.

Yes I dislike Cummings, A LOT, but I am not about to delude myself into thinking that anything he does is not going to come up fundamentally exactly the same as if anyone from the equally detestable Tory B team like Grant Shapps, Nick Timothy, or whichever other worm has somehow managed to wriggle his way up johnson’s fat rump, gets subbed in. None of these subservient boot-lickers have any room to maneuver anyway, we are getting a hard Brexit regardless of which braying captain finally goes down with the ship. The only logical conclusion is that Dommo is not somehow special, every single one of the Frothing Brexiteers leftover in the cabinet are all exactly as bad as each other.

The absolute tory piglets in charge of this government have already run this country into the ground. The impact has already happened, we are just watching the collapse now. The economy is totally overindebted and is only now starting to deleverage, we are Japan in 1991 folks, get ready for a lost decade. The UK was described to me by an American friend as a country without a future. I am just glad to have left the sinking ship by emigrating."
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Continued.

I think the writer has a point - we have become fixated on Cummings but the real damage to the country has already been done and is being done.
 
The BBC has made itself look like a complete bunch of idiots. They took offense at Emily Maitlis precise description of what Cummings did and the mood/view of the country and she was reprimanded for not being "impartial". What utter bull ****. This is more of the BBC's double standards. What she did was nothing like Newsnight/BBC has done in the past. Remember this:

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because portraying Corbyn as a Kremlin guy was not being in violation of impartiality and Maitlis correct comments were breaching the impartial rule? Bull Crap BBC, Bull crap.
 
Infinite Chaos said:
What a time to be going into Brexit....
Europe is putting together a fund to help rebuild and we are simply going to dive off the deep end without lessons in swimming.
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We bounced back from two world wars, I'm sure we'll deal with this latest setback.
 
Snazzy said:
We bounced back from two world wars, I'm sure we'll deal with this latest setback.
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OK but we turfed Neville Chamberlain out soon after the first disasters of war. BoJo and Cummings look set to stay, whatever disaster they foist on us.
 
Snazzy said:
We bounced back from two world wars, I'm sure we'll deal with this latest setback.
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Wellllll not really. Sure that's the myth all Brits are indoctrinated to believe, but the reality the UK was on a long decline since WW1 and by the 1970s the UK was bankrupt and without an empire and US puppet.

Then you bounced economically back after joining Europe and opening up the economy according to EEC/EU treaties...Thatcher, love or hate her, embraced the basic principles of the treaty of Rome to cut the fat off the UK economy to make it more competitive. That saved the UK, 40 years after WW2.

And now you are heading the opposite way yet again.

But hey at least you have the United Kingdom...no wait that too is under threat.

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Infinite Chaos said:
OK but we turfed Neville Chamberlain out soon after the first disasters of war. BoJo and Cummings look set to stay, whatever disaster they foist on us.
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Hopefully BoJo and his cronies will continue pushing their luck with the people to the extreme and will be outed at the next elections.

The ONLY reason the Tories are in power now is because Labour had a far left militant '70s throwback in charge who was unclear/unsure about his stance on Brexit, and also wanted some kind of socialist state.

A more modern centre left leader with a promise to deliver Brexit would have seen the Tories packing their bags - and would most certainly be doing a better job with the current crisis.
 
PeteEU said:
Wellllll not really. Sure that's the myth all Brits are indoctrinated to believe, but the reality the UK was on a long decline since WW1 and by the 1970s the UK was bankrupt and without an empire and US puppet.

Then you bounced economically back after joining Europe and opening up the economy according to EEC/EU treaties...Thatcher, love or hate her, embraced the basic principles of the treaty of Rome to cut the fat off the UK economy to make it more competitive. That saved the UK, 40 years after WW2.

And now you are heading the opposite way yet again.

But hey at least you have the United Kingdom...no wait that too is under threat.
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So we Brits have been indoctrinated by some myth to believe that we bounced back after two world wars?

I'm pretty certain we did recover, but how exactly do you think have we been hoodwinked for so long?

You stated Britain bounced back economically after joining Europe, so is this part of the "indoctrinated myth"?
 
Snazzy said:
So we Brits have been indoctrinated by some myth to believe that we bounced back after two world wars?

I'm pretty certain we did recover, but how exactly do you think have we been hoodwinked for so long?
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I'd propose that (putting it more kindly than Pete did) invoking things like victory in the Battle of Britain (and other similar history) today serves bugger all with a people that in their vast majority weren't even born at the time. I'd also propose that the empire that Britain could fall back upon in those times no longer exists.

As such, invoking a once glorious past is as idiotic as, say, if Spain had placed confidence in overcoming economic plight of only yesterday on the fact that it (also) once ruled the world.

One can use France or Germany in this analogy just as much

IOW the English (cuz that's what this is really about) would be well advised to quit comforting themselves with nostalgic BS over times long dead and buried, and darn well work in the present. And I'm not at all saying they can't do it.

You stated Britain bounced back economically after joining Europe, so is this part of the "indoctrinated myth"?
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It's simply factual and that's why the UK joined (of its own accord) in the first place. The decision was a competent one and thus prudent, because the country had become the sick man of Europe in the 60s already.
 
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