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Spain under lock down

Infinite Chaos said:
This could be yesterday's figures but the BBC website states Spain records highest number of fatalities in a single day - 849
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Yep and after 4 days of declines, infections shot up by 8k+. Hopefully an outlier (weekend numbers) and the decline continues with tomorrow's numbers.

On the bright side, cured and released is nearing 20k.

Rains bad in Andalusia though, lots of flooding adding to the misery.

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Snazzy said:
I've been using this website for my daily number crunching. Some days it's hopeful, other days alarming.

Click and scroll down slightly for regular global updates -

Coronavirus Update (Live): 824,563 Cases and 40,673 Deaths from COVID-19 Virus Outbreak - Worldometer
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It doesn't look accurate for some countries - I have a particular interest in African news (though I tend to avoid the Africa forum here for general inaccuracy) and when you focus on specific African countries on your tracker - the figures are wildly wrong.

Even WHO doesn't have 3000+ deaths in Zambia for example from COVID-19.
 
One need differentiate between the rise in (detected) cases of infection and deaths.

That fatalities are increasing in relation to the previous day's increase was (is) to be expected. The latter probably rising even more in the ratio to which the Spanish health system is overtaxed.

The current measures are not expected to have a significant impact in the near future on the number of deaths, but are hoped to impact the number of new infections.

To paint a more significant picture, the number of survivors (gravely affected but "pulled thru") need be used in completion.

What there are no robust figures on at all are the numbers of infected that needed no hospitalization at all or even noticed that they were infected. This being mainly due to lack of testing capacity, even where its multiplication by 1,000 would still preclude testing the whole population (a utopian goal, were it ever pursued).

We're being drowned in statistical data that is to a large extent useless information (for us) on account of leaving out pertinent variables. Not just in Spain either and in the manner observable just as confusing for the powers that be as for Joe Bloggs.
 
Infinite Chaos said:
It doesn't look accurate for some countries - I have a particular interest in African news (though I tend to avoid the Africa forum here for general inaccuracy) and when you focus on specific African countries on your tracker - the figures are wildly wrong.

Even WHO doesn't have 3000+ deaths in Zambia for example from COVID-19.
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Where did you get the 3000+ deaths figure for Zambia from?

The table doesn't list any deaths in Zambia from COVID-19.
 
People are getting stir crazy some places. SWAT had to be called when some guys started looting stores near here. Also police and military units had to engage someone (still unknown) yesterday near Malaga. Lots of fines and arrests going on for breaking the rules. Police are now issuing "permission slips" for doing stuff and stopping many more people.

Else things are getting better.. numbers are down and improving and most people are complying. Out of chocolate... must resist going down to the shops.
 
Keep in mind, everywhere, new cases are tallied on the basis of available testing kits. We have little or no knowledge of how many untested infected are out there. Certainly, in some regions there is no testing going on. To date, most testing has been accomplished for the wealthy and those connected to healthcare or first responder connections.

This is worth a look:

NYC map shows patients testing positive for coronavirus

however, note "another map by zip code, a percent of patients testing positive for COVID-19 by zip code was flawed because it was a depiction of which neighborhoods had the most access to testing, not the prevalence of the disease."
 
Snazzy said:
Where did you get the 3000+ deaths figure for Zambia from?

The table doesn't list any deaths in Zambia from COVID-19.
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I must be doing something wrong - however yesterday I clicked your link, scrolled down to the "Confirmed Cases and Deaths by Country, Territory, or Conveyance" section and typed in a few countries in Africa and got some alarming stats which completely contradict New Scientist findings on vulnerability in Africa.

Here's a screen grab of what it said tonight.Screenshot 2020-04-01 at 21.16.38.jpg

The red box suggests 4,136 deaths today.
 
Infinite Chaos said:
I must be doing something wrong - however yesterday I clicked your link, scrolled down to the "Confirmed Cases and Deaths by Country, Territory, or Conveyance" section and typed in a few countries in Africa and got some alarming stats which completely contradict New Scientist findings on vulnerability in Africa.

Here's a screen grab of what it said tonight.View attachment 67276937

The red box suggests 4,136 deaths today.
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Very strange. If you simply scroll down to the table in the link, the stats are different from your table.

Zambia at the very top of the table -

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Infinite Chaos said:
Yup, if the website can't even agree with itself I think I'll give it a miss!
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It appears you have misread the table. The bottom total is for the global figures.

Look at the boxes above, even in your screenshot, you will see the figures for Zambia -

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Day 20 of lockdown....I think. Rumor has it, that it will be extended to the end of the month because while the new infection rate has plateued, it has not started to fall. Death rate hit records yesterday but fell today so we shall see. Rumor also has the lock down being slowly lifted in certain areas with low infection rates. We shall see.

More cars on the road today than normal, but might be people going shopping in the good weather.

Craving pizza and a burger, but staying strong in the corona diet..for the most part. Will have to head to town early next week to restock.

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PeteEU said:
Day 20 of lockdown....I think. Rumor has it, that it will be extended to the end of the month because while the new infection rate has plateued, it has not started to fall. Death rate hit records yesterday but fell today so we shall see. Rumor also has the lock down being slowly lifted in certain areas with low infection rates. We shall see.
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What with the gubmint under heavy pressure on the taken measures, especially the lockdown on practically ALL business that followed the initial lockdown, I also suspect that a partial lifting will occur after Easter.

Maybe not in areas as heavily afflicted as Madrid and Catalonia but in "lesser" hotspots like Andalusia.

But yeah, we shall see.


More cars on the road today than normal, but might be people going shopping in the good weather.

Craving pizza and a burger, but staying strong in the corona diet..for the most part. Will have to head to town early next week to restock.
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and what, pray tell, is a corona diet? Splurging heavily on Mexican beer?:lol:
 
Chagos said:
~ and what, pray tell, is a corona diet? Splurging heavily on Mexican beer?:lol:
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I was wondering the same too.

Don't know if this Facebook link works without having a Facebook account but it might help our PeteEU..

Link.
 
Infinite Chaos said:
I was wondering the same too.

Don't know if this Facebook link works without having a Facebook account but it might help our PeteEU..

Link.
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All I get, not having a FB account either and long may that state prevail, is a big-arsed blonde that takes me no further unless I create an account.

Yeah, like hell I'll do that.:lol:
 
Chagos said:
Maybe not in areas as heavily afflicted as Madrid and Catalonia but in "lesser" hotspots like Andalusia.
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Could you hazard a guess at how many cases are on the Costa del Sol?

I read there were around 27 cases hospitalised in Marbella, so I assume there are more confirmed cases that haven't needed hospital attention.

Then there's the unconfirmed cases, of which there surely must be.

So with a population of around half a million on the CdS, I'm curious how many there could be out of the 7k+ cases in Andalucia.
 
Snazzy said:
Could you hazard a guess at how many cases are on the Costa del Sol?

I read there were around 27 cases hospitalised in Marbella, so I assume there are more confirmed cases that haven't needed hospital attention.

Then there's the unconfirmed cases, of which there surely must be.

So with a population of around half a million on the CdS, I'm curious how many there could be out of the 7k+ cases in Andalucia.
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The government (Sevilla) of the autonomous region of Andalusia doesn't publish much of a breakdown that goes beyond province. That can cause misleading interpretations. As such Malaga (the whole province, not just the city) looks higher, while most cases have occurred either in the city itself or have been exported from there to the closer surroundings.

The grapevine here tells however that more cases exist West of Malaga (city) where Pete is, than East of it where I am.

I know of no case in my immediate vicinity but then anyone would be hospitalized in Malaga (city) or Marbella anyway.
 
Chagos said:
What with the gubmint under heavy pressure on the taken measures, especially the lockdown on practically ALL business that followed the initial lockdown, I also suspect that a partial lifting will occur after Easter.

Maybe not in areas as heavily afflicted as Madrid and Catalonia but in "lesser" hotspots like Andalusia.

But yeah, we shall see.


and what, pray tell, is a corona diet? Splurging heavily on Mexican beer?[emoji38]
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Corona diet is eating way less and healthier to make food supplies last longer. [emoji24]

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Snazzy said:
Could you hazard a guess at how many cases are on the Costa del Sol?

I read there were around 27 cases hospitalised in Marbella, so I assume there are more confirmed cases that haven't needed hospital attention.

Then there's the unconfirmed cases, of which there surely must be.

So with a population of around half a million on the CdS, I'm curious how many there could be out of the 7k+ cases in Andalucia.
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There are 1725 cases in the Malaga region. Most of these are in Malaga City it self. Now 27 hospital cases in Marbella could easily be correct, as I understand it the worst cases are transferred to Malaga City.

At the moment the military and fire brigades are sterilising public areas around here.



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Chagos said:
The government (Sevilla) of the autonomous region of Andalusia doesn't publish much of a breakdown that goes beyond province. That can cause misleading interpretations. As such Malaga (the whole province, not just the city) looks higher, while most cases have occurred either in the city itself or have been exported from there to the closer surroundings.

The grapevine here tells however that more cases exist West of Malaga (city) where Pete is, than East of it where I am.

I know of no case in my immediate vicinity but then anyone would be hospitalized in Malaga (city) or Marbella anyway.
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Pft no one lives where you are [emoji1787].

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